Talk:Budweiser
Requested move[change source]
First off, it's a two-pronged disambiguation, which means it needs to redirect to the more common of the two, per EN:WP:DISAM. Also, he American beer is most definitely the primary topic. It is much more well known and sells much more worldwide, and is the only article that is not a stub. On most Wikipedias, the American beer outhits the Czech beer 2:1; on English it's 20:1. I had made one of the moves myself, but Mercy had undid it, claiming it was point of view Purplebackpack89
Disagree: In large parts of Europe the term Budweiser refers to the Czech beer. Also the American Budweiser brewery was founded by immigrants from that area as far as I know. Therefore both beers are equally entitled to their title and therefore this disambiguation should remain in place at it is at the moment. Regards The life of brian (talk) 17:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- Do you have any statistical or naming conventions arguments to back up the Czech and American beers being equal? Purplebackpack89 18:21, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
- I will re-iterate my comment made on ST:
- Perhaps a small note: "Budweiser (Arnheuser Busch)" is not very common in Europe; When Europeans talk about "Budweiser", they mean the beer from Budweise (Budweiser Budvar/Budweiser Czechvar) most of the time. There is a third beer from Budweis, but to my knowledge, this isn't common outside the Czech Republic.
- In March 2009, Anheuser-Busch lost an appeal against the EU's Office for Harmonisation in the Internal Market (OHIM) decision to reject the registration of Budweiser as an EU-wide trademark for beer for Anheuser-Busch. The court pointed out that Budějovický Budvar had proven that it had been using the trade mark during at least the five years preceding the publication of Anheuser-Busch's application for a Community trade mark. The decision also covers malted non-alcoholic beverages (such as non-alcolohic beer).[6] On July 29, 2010, Anheuser-Busch also lost its last-instance appeal against this decision.
- This means that Anheuser-Busch may not register the name Budweiser as an EU-wide trademark for beer. In Germany and Austria in particular, only Budějovický Budvar is allowed to use the trademark Budweiser. (from en:Budweiser_Budvar#Trademark_dispute)
- Perhaps a small note: "Budweiser (Arnheuser Busch)" is not very common in Europe; When Europeans talk about "Budweiser", they mean the beer from Budweise (Budweiser Budvar/Budweiser Czechvar) most of the time. There is a third beer from Budweis, but to my knowledge, this isn't common outside the Czech Republic.
- These are of course just thoughts...--Eptalon (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
- I can see that Budvar is the more well-known Budweiser in a few small countries, but how does this fit in with naming conventions and navigational utility? From the statistics above, it's reasonably clear that most people looking for Budweiser are looking for the American lager Purplebackpack89 18:27, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
(<-) All I tried to point out is that "according to EU regulation", "Budweiser" refers to the Czech beer, and not the American one; just because some people (probably from the US) equate "Budweiser" with "Arnheuser Busch" does not mean that all people ought to do so. (see en:Argumentum ad populum)--Eptalon (talk) 18:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
I disagree with the move request and I've already stated my rationale in this discussion. With all respect, I really don't think that the EU is "a few small countries". --Mercy (talk) 10:36, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Well, there are about ten million people in the Czech Republic, sixty in Germany. By contrast, 300 mill in the US, 110 mill in Mexico, and Budweiser's also big in China... So, yeah...navigational utility, Mercy. Greatest good for greatest number. Also, Mercy, you have a bit of a COI as you created the Budvar stub yourself Purplebackpack89 15:03, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the figures but they seem to be quite inaccurate. It looks as if you thought there were only two countries in the EU. Since one substantial part of the world knows Budweiser as American beer whereas the other knows it as Czech beer, I consider current situation as the best solution. Moreover, argumentum ad hominem is not the right way to discuss... --Mercy (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- By the last Eurostat count, there were about 501 million people in the European Union, to which the legislation I cited above applies. We are supposed to be neutral. A solution where all have to click once to get to where they want is probably better than one where we say that "Budweiser" applies to one of the three brands, and if you happen to be looking for the other, you need to click twice. --Eptalon (talk) 09:16, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
- Thank you for the figures but they seem to be quite inaccurate. It looks as if you thought there were only two countries in the EU. Since one substantial part of the world knows Budweiser as American beer whereas the other knows it as Czech beer, I consider current situation as the best solution. Moreover, argumentum ad hominem is not the right way to discuss... --Mercy (talk) 08:22, 13 October 2010 (UTC)