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The page is about a necessary subject on an important geological period. The debt to enWP was acknowledged by a flag. The simpleWP version was a heavily edited down version of the enWP article. Hundreds of simpleWP pages have started with material from enWP; why should this one be any different? In addition, this user has started many pages without using enWP material, but judged in this case it would be best to do so. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:35, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Then the article should be moved to the editors userspace with a redirect Suppressed to allow time for him to simplify it. Once it is simplified it can me moved back out into the main articlespace. The article has been reduced, but it has not been simplified.--Gordonrox24 | Happy Holidays! 16:54, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Macdonald-ross (talk · contribs) is one of our finest contributors on scientific material and has written hundreds of articles for our Wikipedia. Tagging one of his articles for QD only 5 minutes after it was created is downright rude. This is not a simple copy-paste by some drive-by IP address which ought to be QDed, but a shortened version of an article created by a respected long-time contributor. Please use the users talk page to discuss the issue or be bold and fix it, rather than just tagging it for deletion and thus driving our contributors away. Thanks! EhJJTALK 20:58, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, I see he is a great contributor here, but calling me rude for tagging an article that I still feel meets the criteria is, imho out of line. Lets take a look at the changes made.
  • En:"The Ediacaran Period (pronounced /ˌiːdiˈækərən/; named after the Ediacara Hills of South Australia) is the last geological period of the Neoproterozoic Era and of the Proterozoic Eon, immediately preceding the Cambrian Period, the first period of the Paleozoic Era and of the Phanerozoic Eon. Its status as an official geological period was ratified in 2004 by the International Union of Geological Sciences (IUGS), making it the first new geological period declared in 120 years.
  • Simple:The Ediacaran period (about 635–542 million years ago), named after the Ediacara Hills of South Australia, is the last geological period of the Neoproterozoic Era and of the Proterozoic Eon. It is followed by the Cambrian Period, the first period of the Paleozoic Era and of the Phanerozoic Eon.

The status of the Ediacaran as an official geological period was ratified in 2004 by the International Union of Geological Sciences (IUGS), making it the first new geological period declared in 120 years.

The only change being the removal of the pronunciation, the addition of the time period and the simplification of the word preceded, and the breaking up of the paragraph.

  • EN: "The Ediacaran Period (ca. 635-542 Ma) represents the time from the end of global Marinoan glaciation to the first appearance worldwide of somewhat complicated trace fossils (Trichophycus pedum).[5]

Although the Ediacaran Period does contain soft-bodied fossils, it is unusual in comparison to later periods because its beginning is not defined by a change in the fossil record. Rather, the beginning is defined at the base of a chemically distinctive carbonate layer (this bed is characterized by an unusual depletion of 13C), referred to as a "cap carbonate", because it caps glacial deposits and indicates a sudden climatic change at the end of the Marinoan ice age."

  • Simple: "The Ediacaran Period represents the time from the end of global Marinoan glaciation to the first appearance worldwide of somewhat complicated trace fossils (Trichophycus pedum).[4]

Although the Ediacaran Period does contain soft-bodied fossils, it is unusual in comparison to later periods because its beginning is not defined by a change in the fossil record. Rather, the beginning is defined at the base of a chemically distinctive carbonate layer (this bed is characterized by an unusual depletion of 13C), referred to as a "cap carbonate", because it caps glacial deposits and indicates a sudden climatic change at the end of the Marinoan ice age."

I don't see a single simplification in that section. That is the whole article, and only one instance of simplification. Yes, he has reduced the article in size, but not in complexity. A3 says "Any article or section from an article that has been copied and pasted with little or no change." Most of this article has been copied and pasted without any real simplification. When this is the case I have always seen the article moved into the editors userspace awaiting simplification.--Gordonrox24 | Happy Holidays! 21:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm conscious the language needs working on, and will make an effort in a day or two. It's quite in order for anyone to draw attention to weaknesses. It's my habit to return to new articles after a week or two to rethink them. Maybe I should be more cautious in putting them up, but so many were needed in Geology. Macdonald-ross (talk) 22:22, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]