Talk:Wicca

About the Rede

"As it harm none, do what you will", is not only about people. It is inclusive of (depending on whos viewpoint you ask) every every act concerning every animate, and inanimate object in the universe. It is the basis of Wiccan ethics, similar to the Hippocratic Oath taken by medical professionals.

I suggest a rewrite, however, I do also understand a satisfactory definition, similar to the abortion and capital punishment pages, may never happen. 76.170.118.217 (talk) 05:31, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Changed the wording slightly, but I don't have time to do a major re-write at the moment. Will do it tomorrow. --Gwib ^-(talk)- 05:40, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

This is not the way of an encyclopedia or a dictionary, for some would classify Wicca as an Abrahamic religion while others would classify the concept as Neopagan. Few do not classify Wicca at all! I would see Wicca as an old European religion, but that is my humble opinion. Take care. Crusader9000 (talk) 04:28, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Updated and changed

As of today (5th of June, 2009), I have updated and changed the English of Wicca, and believe it to easy enough for a large majority of people to understand. I have also removed the "complex" banner. Please feel free to add it back if you believe the article to hard to understand. In this case, the please further "better" the English used. Xxglennxx (talk) 18:21, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

You speak magnificently with this, but I believe the article needs an update to help tally the number of Wiccans. I suggest you review your sources and straighten out the content to avoid confusion. Please clean up your articles and keep the English simplified for those learning English. I appreciate it. Thank you and God bless. Crusader9000 (talk) 04:36, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Concerned with a passage (????)

I have a few contentions with the following text as described below, therefore I have moved it here for review:

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Magic

Many Wiccans perform magic. Magick is using your willpower to create real change. Wiccans ask the God and Goddess to help change their lives, or the lives of other people (with their consent, of course, doing magick on someone without them consenting or knowing is otherwise immoral), through prayer, ritual and magick. Wiccans say affirmations and poems out loud to help with their magick, or might burn a candle or some incense. Magic is not only practiced in Wicca - anyone can practice magic, sometimes termed as witchcraft (actually spelt witchkraft, with a K), but one must accept the after effects of the magic performed - whether good or bad. If one doing magic is skeptical, or does not believe that it will be affective, the magic will not work. See magick for actual definition. "

I have major contentions with the above text:

1. Inconsistency of spelling of 'magick vs. magic'. While both are proper spellings, the article ought to be uniform, unless discussing the spelling.

2. Suggestions purported in the above paragraph compared to the information in the overall article are contradictory: The article clearly states that "not all Wiccans believe in the God and Goddess" in The God and Goddess section... so for those that do not the following line from the above paragraph would be absurd: "Wiccans ask the God and Goddess to help change their lives, or the lives of other people"

3. Grandiosity in the claim "(with their consent, of course,...)" implies "all" Wiccans assert this belief system of consent. Perhaps this is the personal belief of the editor, but to make such an all-inclusive claim is bold and further impossible to verify.

4. Witchcraft (i.e. W-i-t-c-h-c-r-a-f-t) is a linguistically correct spelling according to modern convention, see Etymology section here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Witchcraft [The spelling on the Wikipedia article title is W-I-t-c-h-c-r-a-f-t. Perhaps the spelling with a K is archaic, but there are no sources given in the above text to verify that construction.]

5. Belief systems are not necessarily factual, nor are they necessarily verifiable: e.g. "Magick is using your will power to create change." is a belief, and may or may not be able to be verified. The concept of Magick most like the concept of prayer is impossible to measure the degree of results due to the act of prayer or magick ritual alone, but that's really beside the point for an encyclopedia: A better definition of the word "magick" according to a verifiable source would be a better inclusion. My suggestion therefore would be to use a definition by one of the following authors: Scott Cunningham Silver Ravenwolf, Raymond Buckland, or perhaps Gerald Gardner. For Example, something similiar to the following: ' According to Marian Singer in "The Everything Wicca and Witchcraft Book" the art magick (or magic) is defined as follows: "MAGIC: Personal power that requires responsibility and control." (pg. 95)

6. Finally and perhaps the most important reason for moving this to the discussion page is that there are no sources are given in this paragraph. Absolutely zero! Therefore, this qualifies as Original Research; see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research . 162.234.97.208 (talk) 15:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC) Thanks 165.138.95.59 (talk) 17:33, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

You can say that again! I find Wicca to be European rather than Neopagan since some "Pagans" reject Wicca as of their kind, saying its laws are strict (i.e. no harm period) as compared to Paganism (i.e. no harm unless threatened). Now I can understand a mortal being threatened and lashing out for dear life, but that is okay since we have our unalienable rights. Religious freedom calls for faiths that are peaceful and seeking service in any way, but this is not religious freedom -- and this is not Wicca in any form whatsoever. I found an article about Wicca by a Mew Xacata, but since it is in an online diary, his entry would be seen as copyrighted. If anyone thinks of using that as a source, then (s)he must write it in his/her own words. Yes, the paragraph is an indicator of original research and must be deleted. Thank you. Aidemus007 (talk) 03:20, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

You can say that again. Intertwining magic with religious beliefs are not uncommon. Jews practiced magic from 400 BC to AD 200, and some Muslims practice the magical craft of Sufism even to this day. Some Catholics tend to employ the saints and Mary into magical incantations that are regarded as esoteric. Sikhism is regarded as magical by some Western scholars and most Hindus believe in wizards. I see no distinction between religious beliefs and magical arts. Crusader9000 (talk) 04:17, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

I have read this article and feel that it is not telling the truth about Wicca. I am a Wiccan myself, but I do not use rituals to cast spells but make a [humane] offering to the Gods in exchange for forgiveness. I believe that upon the six days of Creation, God rested on the seventh. It was then that the angels celebrated His work causing some to become intoxicated and thus rebellious. The angel Jezebel -- God's most powerful -- felt sorry for them and fell on her own, prompting God to call upon 99 hot-shot angels and turned them into deities.

Of course, I could be wrong, but this is what I believe, and beliefs do not need to be verified. My theory is that a 9-year-old girl named Zelda Pendragon (later the Guardian Angel) founded Wicca as a pantheon October 31, 1080 based upon Catholicism. The pope recognized it as a religion, and the rest is history. I do believe that Wicca may be classified as Abrahamic even though it was founded in Europe. This Zelda Pendragon was adopted by Arthur Pendragon and compiled after she discovered an old book with pictures apparently of Chinese or Japanese origin. They were made to be Deities with a complete calendar, the Five Doctrines and the Sacred Laws were written. Zelda had 13 disciples, eight female and five male.

Remember, this is only a theory. Theories may be counted as Original Research, so please cite your sources.

(I deleted this statement due to irrelevance and some bias, so please pardon the mess. Thank you, and God bless you.) Crusader9000 (talk) 04:03, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Crusader9000

Do you have actual, reliable, third party sources for that? Eptalon (talk) 23:46, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Both EnWP and DEWP have the "new religious movement" as Wicca. To move the article, we need a good (reliable) third-party souce. Eptalon (talk) 23:51, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I believe the sources are multifaceted in your statement. This is from the website called the Celtic Connection at [1] . It's a good thing you wrote this in your own words. Crusader9000 (talk) 03:46, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Please pardon the mess. This statement is too oversimplified and takes up too much space. Delete if necessary. Thank you and God bless. Crusader9000 (talk) 04:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)