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Simple talk
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Medical articles in Simple English, part III

As part of a translation project as outlined here we will be generating 80 or so simplified medical articles. I know that some here do not find them simple enough but would like to remind people that this is a starting point. And based on the guidance from the main page of simple Wikipedia that "Simple does not mean short. Writing in Simple English means that simple words are used. It does not mean readers want basic information." If there is support to put these articles in the main space than we will do so. Else I can place them all as sub articles of my talk page. If this is not allowed I am than happy to move them to my own wiki or the main English wiki. Happy to hear comments. If consensus is that people do not wish this content here all I ask is that people hold off deleting it until I have a chance to move it to my own wiki.--Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 15:33, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Please note that the articles you are about to create are highly technical. Even if you sipmlify them to a level where they are probably understandable to our readers, please make sure to also create the articles linked, where they do not exist. I have made the experience that there are many subjects where you happen to only have one editor knolwedgeable enough to create the article. Yes, I know, the medical world generally agrees on the meaning of "tonsils" or "pus", yet there seem to be few editors motivated enough to create those articles; so when you create the "interesting articles", please make sure to also leave us with understandable stubs on the annex ones we can understand, to expand later. --Eptalon (talk) 21:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

If we are needing definitions we could just link to Wiktionary... Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

On the s-block

I copied the table from en:s-block to s-block. What's wrong? --Kc kennylau (talk) 13:00, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Big Artillery Weekend

I am starting Big Artillery Weekend. The basis is to contribute to any and all eras of artillery, from Medievial to Modern, and all kinds of artillery, including rocket artillery. Jobs will include article creation, tagging, improving and others. It will start February 18th and end February 20th. Feel free to input suggestions, reports, comments below. `Shakinglord (talk) 20:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd recommend that the weekend code be "BARW" to avoid confusing it with the Big Airport Weekend. -Orashmatash (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Sort of wondering if it is entirely wrong that others are writing about howitzers and rocket launchers and I'm writing about BFG 9000S and the Death Star.. They may be fictional (the best weapons are in most concepts of the word best) but they still let military guys blow stuff up pretty well from a distance. --Creol(talk) 09:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I wish I had thought of it, go for it!--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Pages that need work

• Artillery - has red links to the different types of guns
• List of field guns - has red links for particular weapons
• List of heavy mortars - has red links to particular weapons
• List of howitzers - red links to particular weapons

Progress

Currently four editors have made 69 edits, 15 new pages, and 1 new cat. Join in!--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

• Update: 6 editors, 164 edits, 22 new articles, 4 new cats. Time is running out!--Peterdownunder (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• Update: 7 editors, 289 edits, 36 new articles, 4 new cats.--Peterdownunder (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
• Summary: 7 editors, 319 edits, 38 new articles and 4 new cats. Well done.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Issues with Navigation Popups?

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 34480

Has anyone else noticed issues with Popups since the recent software upgrade (if anyone else here even uses them)? They're working OK on enwiki, so I suspect they just need updating here. If no one else has reported this, I'll report it over on enwiki -- let me know. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Most likely due to the MediaWiki software upgrade; I am having the same issue. It's got some JavaScript code in it which automatically loads the latest version from ENWP and since they have it fixed I'm not sure why it's not working here. -Orashmatash (talk) 21:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The script is hard-coded to load from https://secure.wikimedia.org/ which is having problems today. It should be changed to just the second mw.loader.load line. Let me know if you find other problems that might be 1.19's fault. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 23:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The fix was trivial and should be working now. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 23:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but it still looks wonky. Here's a screenshot of what came up when I hovered my cursor over Qadar Yar.

Normally that information comes up in a window, not as text overlaying the other text on the page. Also, the text that pops up doesn't go away when I move the cursor off of the link. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the screenshot. I see this displayed normally, so I'm not sure yet what the problems is. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 13:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, here's a screenshot from enwiki of what I usually see:

FYI, I use Firefox. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm getting the same, but mainly just on most category pages. I have hard refreshed a page affected - no change. Turned off the gadjet, hard refreshed and no popup as expected, turned it back on, refreshed, and back to not working. It is the same on both Chrome and IE9 (clean ie9, never been used on this site before so nothing to hook on). Affecting at least Vector, Nostalgia and monobook skins. --Creol(talk) 06:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the browser information and pages where you're seeing this. Investigating. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 13:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed on Category pages. Thanks for the report! -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 13:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm seeing the same problem using Firefox also, but only on category pages. Osiris (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm using the latest version of Firefox and it's broken on all pages. -Orashmatash (talk) 21:27, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I can't reproduce this. Navigation pop-ups work fine for me on simple.wikipedia in both Firefox and Chrome. Tried it on both article and category pages. Can someone provide more specific steps to reproduce? Kaldari (talk) 22:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Using the last article I created as an example - it has the following cats. Some work fine, others are all wibbly-wobbly:

Category:American comedians - works Category:stand-up comedians - doesn't Category:American movie actors - works Category:American voice actors- works

Category:American musicians - doesn't Category:American singers - doesn't Category:people from Nebraska - works Category:1963 births - works

Im in and out of categories constantly though, so hard to tell which are cached or not. Of that list, the only one I can confirm being in during the last week was American singers and pretty certain I have not been in Stand-up for a while. --Creol(talk) 01:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I can't reproduce now even though I could before. Magically fixed? -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 00:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Not fixed for me. I even tried removing my customizations from monobook.js and that didn't make a difference. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Popups has been broken since long before that upgrade. It has only worked intermittently for over a year now. sonia♫ 00:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC) (addendum: Currently working fine in fx, not at all in IE, and not on category pages in Opera, on win7, latest versions of all. sonia♫ 00:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC))

Very weird but User:sonia's note makes sense. Shortly after I wrote the above, I tried again and saw the problem on category pages. While I was playing with ?debug=true and the like to try and find why it works here (for example) but not on a category page, it suddenly started working again. I'm guessing this is some kind of weird caching problem. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 00:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Has worked without problem for me - and is still working. (Firefox)--Peterdownunder (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah most of the gadgets for simple don't work reliably at all. It has always been a use at your own risk situation since we haven't had the editors to be able to keep them up to date and working in this community. -DJSasso (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Punjabi Articles

I've noticed an awful lot of articles being created by IP users / no-edit new users about Punjabi regions and people, which tend to be written in poor English and are on subjects that seem not very notable (but do seem to be real). Examples - Qadar Yar, most of the changes by Tegjveer singh, Yahya Mirza Eskandari, etc.

Since I'm not an expert on the subject, I was wondering if someone could look into them and see if they're actually notable / good for Wikipedia. Thanks. (: [+piccolo] 01:59, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes we have a known Pakistan vandal. This is probably them at it again. -DJSasso (talk) 03:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

In total, there are perhaps 2-3 editors creating articles about Pakistan, Bangladesh or India. They mostly used IPs so far. One of them probably created an account. Rather than directly deleting the articles, I propose we run them through a "sanity check" (and perhaps a regular RFD), if they look that they could be notable. When I patrolled some of the articles, they looked half-way reasonable as to subject matter (I am not talking about language here, as it can be improved)--Eptalon (talk) 08:48, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

A lot of these have been directly copied from books or websites. Qadar Yar was one of the few for which I couldn't find any evidence of copying. I should note that one of the users, 82.9.215.103, is blocked on enwp. Osiris (talk) 16:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

'View history' change

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 34449

I notice the 'View history' record now gives us pluses and minuses, but no summaries of total bytes. Is it possible for us to have that information as well? It can be quite useful. Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:10, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

It might be a feature of MediaWiki 1.19, I believe, but I'd have to get that checked.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  18:33, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

You will have to go comment at the tracking page on meta to ask. -DJSasso (talk) 18:38, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

This issue was already reported. I've added a link from the bug to the discussion here. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 20:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

It's a MediaWiki feature, yes :). Just for transparency, the bug can be found here if anyone wants to comment. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

It does for me if you hover over it. Kennedy (talk • changes). 22:02, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, hover over the pluses and minuses and it will tell you how many bytes are in the article. -Orashmatash (talk) 22:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Now I'm seeing it without having to hover.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  00:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

From what I see on Bugzilla, it was fixed and deployed to cluster.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  00:36, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Non-patrollers marking their own edits as patrolled

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 34503

Why is it that some non-patrollers have been able to mark their edits as patrolled? -Orashmatash (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Because it happens automatically for auto-confirmed people I believe. -DJSasso (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It shouldn't happen automatically for autoconfirmed users. Reported.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  23:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm now I see IPs doing it so yeah something is up. -DJSasso (talk) 23:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Fixed  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  01:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Pikachu Picture?

I wanted to add an actual picture of Pikachu on the Simple English wiki for it, but I can't. I've already asked this on the English wiki and they told me to go here for help. Can someone do this for me? The Pikachu Who Dared ^{(talk / contribs)} 14:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Image uploads are not permitted on Simple English Wikipedia, so any image you want to add to an article would have to be hosted on commons instead. Any media file uploaded to commons is required to be free to use in both the United States and the file's country of origin. See Commons:Licensing for information on copyright law in whatever country this may be (is it Japanese?). Osiris (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll try and do that, Osiris. The Pikachu Who Dared ^{(talk / contribs)} 14:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Pikachu, please look carefully at en:File:Sugimoris025.png. Pay special attention to the "Licensing section" and to the "Fair use" section of this English Wikipedia page.

No free or public domain images have been located for this artwork. It is protected by copyright.

Can you understand that this is the reason that why no image can be added to Simple Wikipedia? --Horeki (talk) 15:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Italic titles

It is possible to make italic titles with the template '{{italictitle}}'. This is done in enWP for titles of films, books, etc. Should we do this? A recent new page Bal du moulin de la Galette has brought this up. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I believe we already do do it. But alot of pages haven't had it added. -DJSasso (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we have that template. I've been trying to add it to everything that needs it, but you go ahead, too! --Auntof6 (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Parser expressions

Anybody got any idea what's causing the error in these two location maps? It's showing up in transclusions. I've put it down to the centering in the map scale, but see no difference between our version and the enwp version. Osiris (talk) 03:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Copied Template:Location map/Info from enwiki and it works now. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 05:25, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but the actual transclusions are still broken (see e.g. Asakuchi, Okayama or Abiko, Chiba). The /info page looks to me like an instruction-only template and doesn't get transcluded. Osiris (talk) 05:39, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Right, I neglected Template:Location map. Try now. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 06:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks perfect. Thank you very much! Osiris (talk) 06:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Simple Spanish

Just wanted to let you guys know that to see what people think about the starting of a Simple Spanish Wikipedia (yes, I am aware that there have been past proposals that haven't succeeded). If anyone here has an opinion about it, you should head over there and give your input! I'll do my best to translate your comment into Spanish if you don't speak the language :) just comment on the discussion in English (keep it simple, please! My Spanish is good, but I have limitations), email me at tragicnotbeautifulgmail.com, and I'll get to translating it ASAP! (The emailing me part is important. I'm a spacey person.) cymru.lass ^(talk)⁄_(changes) 19:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I wish you luck. The language committee passed a resolution to never open any more non-official language wikis. We only exist because they didn't want to close existing wikis. -DJSasso (talk) 00:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the French Chapter created there own wiki project to do French Victuallers (talk) 13:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I remember that something clever was done with namespaces to do a simple under a language, it may have been something like fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/simple:Main for example. Truth be told, that might be the right way to do this simple. Josh Parris 06:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Billy Graham

Billy Graham is at WP:PAD for those interested. Albacore (talk · changes) 20:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

{{translated page}}

Hello all. {{Translated page}} is not working the way it should. It is doing something strange with the ISO template (see Talk:Klein-Brabant for an example), and I can't fix it. If someone with expertise in ParserFunctions could take a look it would be appreciated. -Orashmatash (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Just needed {{ISO 639 name nl‎}} to be created. Osiris (talk) 04:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Simple

Editors of Simple English are very welcome

@MonmouthpediA announces the Charles Rolls Challenge This is the first multilingual Wikipedia collaboration to create a wiki-town. All Wikipedians can take part, in any Wikipedia language. The challenge runs from 1 March until the 19th of April 2012. (Prizegiving webstreamed on 21st April). Sign up now "Can you imagine a Wiki Project that involves 1,000 QRpedia codes and free WiFi?"

We do include simple as a language Victuallers (talk) 13:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Master of Music needed

Looking over some (ok a whole lot) of our articles, I'm noticing an issue that needs the touch of someone(s) with a lot of free time on their hands, a bit of wikignome in them, and a good understanding of music and modern musical genres. Were this a simple category issue, I would be right on it, but this goes deeper than that (though categorizing is the heart of the issue). Our bands (and in many cases musicians in general) show no consistancy when it comes to genre. The same style of group may be listed as rock, punk, emo, hardcore, post-harcore, etc dictated by how the original editors chose to write the prose (and others followed behind and linked/categorized based on what they are given).

I'm just curious if there is anyone out there with a focus on music (and a lot of free time) willing to take a look at these articles. The main tasks seem to be copy'ing over the en: infoboxes on the bands as needed (let them do the work on defining genres), updating the intro (XXX is an <nationality> <genre> band.) and categorizing based on that info. Given the size of the issue, this is certainly not a short term project, more of an "when I'm bored and looking for something to work on" issue.. --Creol(talk) 09:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)