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Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2024: We are back!

Please help translate to your language

Hello, dear Wikipedians!

Wikimedia Ukraine, in cooperation with the MFA of Ukraine and Ukrainian Institute, has launched the forth edition of writing challenge "Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month", which lasts from 1st until 31st March 2024. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural phenomena of Ukraine that are now part of world heritage. We accept contribution in every language! The most active contesters will receive prizes.

We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in your language! Also, we plan to set up a banner to notify users of the possibility to participate in such a challenge! ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk)

Enabling a machine translation model, Section and Content translation tools in your Wikipedia

Hello Simple English Wikipedians!

The WMF Language team plans to enable the Section and Content translation tools to Simple English Wikipedia by default. Also, the team is considering using the MADLAD-400 open-source translation model in the MinT machine translation for your Wikipedia. The current model in MinT provides limited support for your language, while the MADLAD-400 will provide more translation support from other source languages. We want to make sure it is useful for your translation work. For this, my team would like members of your community to:

• Test the MADLAD-400 model in a test instance. You can paste multiple pieces of content from different Wikipedia articles and check whether the provided result is a useful starting point for a translation.
• Give us feedback if the machine translation quality is okay to be on your Wikipedia by default, as an optional service or if it is not useful at all.
• Let us know if you have any objections to having the Section and Content translation enabled by default in this Wikipedia.

Below is background information about the tools and how you can test them.

Background information

Content Translation has been a successful tool for editors to create content in their language. Since its release in 2015, the tool has aided the translation of more than one million articles across all languages. However, the tool is in beta in Simple English Wikipedia, limiting its discoverability and use. Being in beta also blocks enabling the Section translation in your Wikipedia.

Section Translation extends the capabilities of Content Translation to support mobile devices. On mobile, the tool will:

• Guide you to translate one section at a time to expand existing articles or create new ones

• Make it easy to transfer knowledge across languages anytime from your mobile device

MinT (Machine in Translation) is a machine translation service hosted in the Wikimedia Infrastructure. It is designed to provide translations from many MT models and we have the MADLAD-400 that might be suitable for your community.

Our request

The MADLAD-400 MT is available for your Wiki in our test instance. We want you to test it (translate sentences and paragraphs from articles) in our test instance:https://translate.wmcloud.org. Let us know in this thread if the quality of the automatic translation generated is okay to enable it in Simple English Wikipedia along with the Section and Content translation tool.

Our plans to enable the tools and the machine translation support

We plan to deploy the tools with the MT support by the 16th of April. If there are no objections from your community, we will deploy them. We want to provide the tools in the way they best serve the community, so we are open to make further adjustments after the deployment based on your experience.

We look forward to getting your feedback in this thread. Thank you!

UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 20:34, 28 March 2024 (UTC) On behalf of the Language team.

the english to simple english translation is broken

https://i.ibb.co/4TWRLRp/image.png MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk) 21:23, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

It worked somewhat when I ran it, but it's not really good enough for translation. I'm not a fan of automated translation anyway, you might as well run en-wiki with a Google translate. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:29, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

it might work somewhat for languages closer to english but other languages such as arabic or hebrew will be broken MCGAMER YOUTUBE (talk) 03:08, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @MCGAMER YOUTUBE and @Lee Vilenski, for your feedback. In the coming week (16th of April), the WMF Language team will enable the Section and Content translation tool by default in Simple English Wikipedia.

As for adding MinT translation support that uses the MADLAD-400 model in Simple English Wikipedia, I would like to clarify from you whether the quality is unacceptable for this Wikipedia to be enabled as an optional machine translation service.

I would really appreciate your response on this.

Best regards UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 15:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Content translation is certainly interesting, both from a practical, and a research perspective. I do however want t point out something:

• Semantically, there is no difference between "regular" English, and Simple English as we practice it here. A mapping from one language to the other will therefore be closer to translating between closely-related languages (think: Afrikaans and Dutch, or think English from South Africa, from Great Britain, the US, India, Belize and perhaps Australia/New Zealand; perhaos Niederdeutsch/Plattdeutsch, and Frisian,but I don't know how closely realted those are)
• Structurally, we use shorter sentences, and more common words. A model that is based on mapping a sentence 1:1 will not work for Simple English. For a model to work successfully, I expect it to be able to re-phrase the content (Can be simple things: like properly splitting a long sentence, or replacing a less common word with a more common one).
• Machine translation always reuires proofreading by a human editor.

Eptalon (talk) 15:31, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

@Eptalon, thank you for explaining Simple English's peculiarities compared to how machine translation works. I do understand your take on this. However, I want to clarify that machine translation is primarily an aid for efficient translation. Translators who understand the language structure requirements in Simple English Wikipedia will review and edit the machine translation to that standard. Still, I understand that not everyone will use the machine translation as required and having only the content and section translation without the translation support reduces that risk.

Your last point, "Machine translation always requires proofreading by a human editor," I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean that because of the peculiarities you highlighted, having the translation service will impose more work on the editors to proofread published content translated with the machine translation service, which translators use as a starting point? Pardon me for the follow-up question. I want to understand so I can relate to the challenge. UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 06:23, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@UOzurumba (WMF) Basically any machine translation (or AI if you will) needs to be proofread by a human. Computer translation is always prone to making errors from punctuation to mis-spelling to the wrong tense or even word since there are multiple meanings to words. Also, this will introduce words that are not in the basic 850 word list that will complicate the articles and will require a human to go back through them and simplify them, causing more work for other editors. I personally agree that for use here, I do not feel it should be pushed out as our structure is way different than every other project out there compared to our word choice and the shorter sentences plus everything I just mentioned above. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 06:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

@UOzurumba (WMF): I do not think that the tool will be useful for the Simple English Wikipedia, although I appreciate the effort. Simple English Wikipedia requires simpler words and simpler sentence structure, which will not be obtained from a 1-to-1 translation from any other Wikipedia. This reply itself would be too complicated to be included in an article. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:11, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Let me perhaps rephrase that: I speak several languages, I also routinely translate between them (German, French, English, sometimes Italian). When you know a language well, you also know that specific phrases need specific translations based on the context. A translator that is only given text snippets will translate those snippets, but will have no idea of the context. When you then see a collection of translated snippets you need to re-add the context and make sure they make sense in that context. I have seen automated translation tools work in a text translated French to Italian. When I then spoke to a person who is a native Italian speaker, I was told: yes a certain phrase can be translated the way it was, I just needed to be aware that certain words were literary, and were no longer in common use by people. So: a professional translation needs proofreading by a human, who is a native speaker of the language.

And no we are not even looking at the peculiarities if Simple English. Eptalon (talk) 20:09, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Eptalon, @QuicoleJR, @PotsdamLamb, and @MCGAMER YOUTUBE , for your feedback and for helping me understand the peculiarities of the Simple English Wikipedia, which limit the potential of the tools in this Wikipedia. So, we will not be enabling the tools for the Simple English Wikipedia.

Best regards,

UOzurumba (WMF) (talk) 01:28, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to archive the main page talk

Hello all! Due to the requirements on the BRFA for Bot873, I have opened a proposal located at Talk:Main Page to archive it based on its current configuration. The proposal will be open for at least 14 days after which consensus will determine if it should start being archived again or not. All links are in the proposal for you to look at. Please do not comment here but head over to Talk:Main Page. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 23:13, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

All editors head over to the links above and your comments or ¡votes. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:37, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi all just a reminder that we have a Request for comments open at Main talk page regarding if we should archive the talk page based on a previous RfC about the settings. Please head over as it is due to close on April 25. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:39, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Category move discussion

Hi! Wasn't sure where the best location, so feel free to let me know if there's a en:WP:MfD equivellent here. There's a big old series of categories in Category:Establishments by continent and year, for different places and dates. They have categories like Category:1978 establishments in Europe. It's not super simple, would anyone support moving such categories to something a bit more simple? What about Category:1978 creations in Europe or similar? I'm happy to sort out the moves (and likely an AWB run) if there's some consensus.

Let me know if you're happy with categories being less simple. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski To my knowledge with some cat work, we do have those, but before they can be “created” there is a minimum requirement of 3 members to be in it first. I’ve seen things like 2020 buildings constructed or 1944 vehicles. So IMO, I do not think it would be a problem. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:16, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

To be clear, I'm not asking for anything to be created, rather to move the existing cats to a more simple title. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:19, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

It can be called a move, a merge or however you prefer. I’m assuming you would be doing a redirect from the old cat to the new then AWB to change the links? Also not sure about created as it’s a noun with three meanings and one refers to "God" creating the universe. I’m sure this admin could chime in as they do a lot of work there @Auntof6 is very helpful in this area and has a mastery of them. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:31, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: Actually, created is a verb, not a noun. I'm not sure what three meanings you're referring to. It generally means to make something new, and that applies to the Biblical Creation as well as to simpler, everyday things. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

The categories would probably use the word "creations", which is a noun, right? Kk.urban (talk) 03:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Not a good feeling about: Category:1978 creations in Europe, but maybe there is a synonym for the noun establishment (and that a noun is used in that category-name).--Problems? The category seems to have to cover many things, such as city-establishments and company-establishments.--Was not the Apple Company created in a garage (but the establishment was done months or years later)? When was Rome created (and how many years later was there an establishment, in regard to the city).--Another thing: The creation of some of things, seem to be POV; However, the establishment, is not POV.--Another thing: Things have to sound like okay English; "Creations"? Has it not become a loaded word, and largely meaning "an item of clothing, created in the fashion industry", or "a food-thingy that is made by a chef, under artsy-fartsy circumstances"? 2001:2020:345:BEA6:F5DC:E82E:6FC3:21B (talk) 15:13, 14 April 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:345:BEA6:F5DC:E82E:6FC3:21B (talk) 15:15, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

IP user, honestly the way they are we probably do have some in many forms, meaning the same things.

@MathXplore @Cyber.Eyes.2005@Dream Indigo all do a lot of cat work as well, so I am pinging them for input. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi! When I first got here on SEW, I had the same thoughts as @Lee Vilenski, so I understand what they mean: "Establishments? Isn't that an advanced word?" Yes, it is, I learned it in high school.

I like the idea, however I feel like the word "creations", despite its simpler sound, is no better than "establishment". Neither of them is on the Wikipedia:Basic English combined wordlist, which is the list that we have to follow (even though many times we are forced to use other words). In my opinion, if we want to change, we should use a word on that list.

"Start" is a basic word, for example. We could say "Category:Things started in YYYY", but I do not like how bad and wordy it sounds. "Established" is great because it has a corresponding noun, "establishments". "Started" does not have a corresponding noun (or maybe it does? I do not remember right now).

We can say "Category:Musical groups started [established] in YYYY", but how do we say "Category:Musical groups by year of establishment" using "to start"?

Another important note: just like on enwiki, we also have dis-establishment categories and many subcategories using the same, advanced noun, such as the one about musical groups I told you about before. If we change "establishments", we must change "disestablishments" too, and edit every single Estcat template to display the correct words and to put subcategories in the correct parent categories.

My temporary solution is to change all the EstcatCountry/Continent/etc templates (there are a lot of these templates, you can see what they do here: Category:1978 establishments in Europe) to display a Wikilink to establishments (we should also start a page or a redirect with that name). If somebody does not know the meaning of that word, they can click or hover on the link and learn it in a few seconds.

Sorry if my English is not that simple here, I had to use specific words to explain better. Thank you for reading my thoughts :-) Dream Indigo 16:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

wikt:establishment would be the link if we were to do that. "Created" was just an example, I'm happy to go with whatever. What about Category:Started in 1973 or similar? I know we lose some definitives, but we should try to limit the amount of complex words throughout, and categories should be no different. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski I love your new idea! I support it. We could also have "Category:Ended in YYYY", "Template:StartcatCountry", "Template:EndcatCountry", et cetera. I hope more editors read this and share their opinions. Dream Indigo 19:34, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

I think you have a point, but do you realize what a tremendously huge task this would be? There are 6,436 existing categories that have the string "establishments" in their title (that would cover both establishments and disestablishments). I believe there are also a lot of redlinked categories on pages with the string -- I don't know how to count those.

While doing that, the television series debuts categories could also be addressed, because debut is also not a simple word. There are 218 categories with the string "debuts" in their title. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Massive changes have been made by bots in the past. Kk.urban (talk) 03:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Establishment and "Dis-establishment" is simple, in at least one sense: it is one word - and quite possibly it can only be replaced by several words (or several cases, having a word changed).--Apple Company, started in a garage, around the time of two famous guys making a computer that worked. However, the company was registered at some other point (but possibly the same year).--It is unlikely that the word registered will work, with all cases where "established" is now used.--All of this reminds me of: The title of an article, is allowed to have words which are non-simple.--For now, the word started, seems like an option that is not as bad - as other options. 2001:2020:339:9BB2:7D5E:1C48:1D61:C919 (talk) 04:17, 15 April 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:345:BEA6:F5DC:E82E:6FC3:21B

Being one word does not mean it's simple in the sense that we're talking about. Even the base word, "establish," isn't considered simple in that sense. -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I get that these things are a lot of changes, but my thoughts are, so long as something is technically possible, we shouldn't let the size of the task prevent improvememts. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:20, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not so active in this Wikipedia, but I support replacing established/disestablished with started/ended. Categories using establishments/disestablishments can be reworded so that we can use started/ended there. For example, Category:2000 disestablishments can be replaced with Category:Ended in 2000. Yes, it may sound strange to a native speaker, but it does not sound strange to me. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 12:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, "disestablishments" isn't something you'd say in everyday parlance anyway. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Well, everyday life is not about organizing a encyclopedia (or an encyclopedia). 2001:2020:327:D575:60B7:EC18:9EFF:8910 (talk) 18:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:345:BEA6:F5DC:E82E:6FC3:21B

Comment - Can redirects be helpful? Such as, redirecting from Category:Railway stations in the United States opened in 1978, or similar. (En-wiki uses "Establishment", but then also has Category: ... stations ... opened in 1978, in that category tree.) 2001:2020:327:D575:60B7:EC18:9EFF:8910 (talk) 19:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:345:BEA6:F5DC:E82E:6FC3:21B

Comment - make changes in the lower parts of the category tree (for now), and keep Establishment (as part of the title), at the top of the category tree (for now).--That is my latest suggestion (or feeling). Thanks. 2001:2020:327:D575:60B7:EC18:9EFF:8910 (talk) 19:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:345:BEA6:F5DC:E82E:6FC3:21B /2001:2020:327:D575:60CD:227A:2E3B:EDA (talk) 19:27, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

That's not really something that's suitable. We should be consistent. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:25, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again :-) So what do we do about establishment categories now? I liked the "started" idea a lot, but I am happy either way. Dream Indigo 20:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Personally, I think "started in" and "ended in" are much better than established and disestablished, and would push for the change to make. However, due to the size of the change, we'd need a solid consensus. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:45, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Dream Indigo 14:19, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

New Script for everyone

As all know, we have to do a nice WP:BEFORE before nominating any article. I found a script on ENWP that will greatly assist with this. I customized it for this wiki. The script is at User:PotsdamLamb/scripts/NPPLinks.js. If you do not know how to install scripts, please leave me a message on my TP and I will happily assist you. Once you install it and refresh your browser you will see all of the following links on your left hand bar (or right depending on the skin):

Copyvio, check Duplicate article, check AI/LLM check (this will actually allow you to run the text through an AI and see if it was written by human or AI), WP:BEFORE web, WP:BEFORE news, WP:BEFORE news archive, WP:BEFORE books, WP:BEFORE scholar, WP:BEFORE check foreign wikis (currently does not work), WP:BEFORE search for foreign name (currently does not work), Professor (Google), Professor (Scopus), Reliable sources search, News (name in title), Wikidata, Species search. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:49, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Does it work correctly here at our community, as most of them are free, but I know we can copy and paste scripts from enwiki? DIVINE 17:54, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

@DIVINE Yes. I have been testing it. Notice I said I customized it. So I took out anything that would direct to ENWP and made it to set to SEWP. For example, copyvio on the main one would use ENWP version of the check, the one I made, uses Simple. If it did not work, I would not have posted it here. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:56, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

FYI, all scripts are free on Wikipedia. By our agreement we have to release them to the public domain with attribution. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:57, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

You mentioned that you found the source above from enwiki, so I think it has already been released into the public domain DIVINE 17:59, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I am just informing you based on your statement "as most of them are free" that all of them are free. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 18:01, 14 April 2024 (UTC)

UPDATE: I have now added a new link to check for the article on ENWP using the search results. This will help with A3 (Exists on another Wikipedia in complex English). If you have any questions, please let me know. I am not seeing anyone linked back to it, so I encourage you to try it out and let me know on my talk page. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Zoroastrianism

Hello friends. I Need your honest opinion. Zoroastrianism is considered a Monotheistic religion, by Zoroastrians themselves, and by the majority of Scholars (based on reliable source.)

Can you give your Opinion regarding the Religion and tell me here, whether the religion is Monotheistic or not?

thank you. Researcher1988 (talk) 08:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

All mainstream Zoroastrians for many centuries have been monotheists. It's possible that Zurvanists were dithiesists, but that sect died out a long time ago. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 09:35, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf

thank you. there is an ongoing dispute for 4 month in English Wikipedia, Zoroastrianism talk page. we try to reach a consensus. may I ask you to join the discussion and vote for the consensus? Researcher1988 (talk) 11:05, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, but to be clear, this page is not really the appropriate venue for this kind of question. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf Actually, per w:WP:Canvassing#Appropriate notification it is. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:41, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

For clarification, that was my first thought too, but after reading that and the way they posted, it meets the guidelines. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Per the header and the fact that we are on smiple.wp, this is about the Simple English Wikipedia, but it seems that his issue is on en.wp. Does the community here want content dispute discussions about a different wiki discussed here? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf It can be relevant regardless of which project it comes from. An editor from Wikivoyage can post here and ask for comments on a dispute there. They just can't go to individual users pages (unless they meet the requirements). Mostly it is for consensus. Not all of us on here use Simple English (like me). I edit here because I am banned from ENWP, however, some are not banned from ENWP. They find it easier to edit here. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:49, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 17:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf No worries. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Koavf - this thread can possibly be looked at, as disturbance of Simple-wikipedia.--By the time of post "11:05, 15 April", there is (probably, or quite possibly) reason to be (somewhat) concerned.--Thanks for your good catch.--Not sure that I will be coming back to this thread. 2001:2020:327:D575:39A5:4B5E:1F43:B973 (talk) 19:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

IP user, there is no disruption of simple. Editor did not even post a link but is allowed per above linked policy, is allowed to do what they did. They have not posted anywhere else on this Wikipedia per their contributions, so your "thought" is incorrect. They are not even close to qualifying under disruptive changing. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:08, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

• The talk page of Zoroastrianism - that is where this should have been posted - if at all.--Not sure that I will return to this thread, (for wiki-lawyering, or anything that looks like that). 2001:2020:327:D575:AC76:E3CD:F93D:55F8 (talk) 21:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:327:D575:39A5:4B5E:1F43:B973

  ok then bye Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

New pages patrol

Do we have a "new pages patrol"? Somewhere I can easily find the pages that might need the most work? BottleOfSoup (talk) 10:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@BottleOfSoup: Yes, it's at Special:NewPages. If you have the patroller right, the unpatrolled pages are highlighted in yellow. You're a bit new to get that right, but you can see what has recently been created.

And since you're new, let me welcome you and point you to this list I maintain of things that are different here from English Wikipedia. The list itself isn't a policy or guideline, but it links to relevant policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about it, feel free to let me know. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

that list of your could use a link to WP:CATGENDER... Eptalon (talk) 10:47, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

I had seen by 2018-20 that the infoboxes of Galileo Galilei and Jesus were being replaced with the ones from English Wikipedia, but the languages used in the infoboxes were kept as it is. When I made changes to those infoboxes, they were undone by other users. I don't know why the users did that. The languages used in the imported infoboxes should be changed to use Simple English words. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • changes) 12:45, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Sbb1413 - Please check the talk page (of each of those articles).--If you still think about changing each infobox, then go ahead change it.--That is what I am thinking for now.--If your edits get changed again, then you should maybe consider starting an Infobox-thread, on each of those talk-pages. 2001:2020:327:D575:39A5:4B5E:1F43:B973 (talk) 19:47, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Can you use templates on your user page in this Wikipedia

I don't know! Amoxicillin on a Boat (talk) 13:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Also, is there WikiLove and barnstars? Amoxicillin on a Boat (talk) 13:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@Amoxicillin on a Boat: Templates: yes. WikiLove: not the way it exists on other Wikipedias, but you can always write your own message of support. Barnstars: yes. -- Auntof6 (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, also see Wikipedia:Barnstars. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:43, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Move titles (month of April)

Please move Ibac to Ibac (in comics) or Ibac (comic character), etc.--Then I will translate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBAC. Thanks, 2001:2020:327:D575:39A5:4B5E:1F43:B973 (talk) 19:39, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Done ✔️ DIVINE 19:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

@DIVINE and IP user, why did you need this moved? It matches what is in ENWP and there is no other article named Ibac that will be created. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

As long as it's redirected, it will be easier for people to know that it's a movie character just by watching the title rather than thinking of something different of company or institution, as I did per their request. DIVINE 19:57, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

It is not a movie character, it is a comic character. There are no other articles that will have that name. There is a IBAC cycling team, which is listed as such on ENWP w:IBAC (cycling team) but nothing else. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:59, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

My bad yes Comic character and it has been moved there not at movie character. DIVINE 20:00, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok. Thanks for clarifying. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:01, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Help with pages

Can someone help direct where these should go or nominate for QD please?

• National Democratic Party (Brunei) - I cannot find anything on this other than they are banned. We also have no Wikidata object for it nor does any other Wikipedia have this article.
• 2012–13 FC Liefering season - Pretty sure this can be redirected to a main article or something. Also no Wikidata for this. If you think it is worthy of keeping let me know and I can create the object, but no other WP has it either.

Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:40, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Not sure I see the problem with these. Not having a Wikidata item doesn't matter -- one can be created if appropriate. If you think the topics are hoaxes or non-notable, you can request deletion. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:23, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 - National Democratic Party (Brunei) on ENWP is mentioned in numerous articles that are politically related in general because the party did not survive or do much (along with another party) and both were banned within a couple of years.

For the other one, the seasons are all listed on the FC page, so I was thinking, live every other FC article, the information could be merged into the article of the FC.

As far as Wikidata, I use it as a reference point, amongst other searches, to see where I can fit it in at. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:27, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Third division in Austria wouldn't be notable per w:WP:SEASONS on enwiki, but that doesn't mean we have to retain that if enough sourcing can be found. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

I've nominated National Democratic Party (Brunei) for deletion. It may be a hoax. Kk.urban (talk) 23:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban Thanks. I was going to post here but then I reread, so I will move over to there. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 23:11, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Template loop detected

"Template loop detected" on Template:Infobox militant organization.

Template:Infobox war faction mostly works as a substitute, but it world be nice to get both options working.

Irtapil (talk) 22:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Irtapil I will look into for you right now. Can you please post the page where you are seeing this? Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Irtapil@PotsdamLamb I think somebody has been messing around with that template. It repeats the same headers ("Usage", "Example", "Parameters", "Microformat", "TemplateData", "References") over and over again. It needs to be refreshed. Kk.urban (talk) 22:52, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban Yeah I just imported the new version. So that should start working in a minute or so when I am done. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Irtapil You should be good to go now. Let me know please.

Resolved.

Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Attribution requirements

When a page is created with the content translation tool, the first edit summary automatically says something like

Created by translating the page "الحكومة الفلسطينية"

with a link to the origin page. Does this qualify as attribution, or is the {{Translated page}} template also required on the talk page? Kk.urban (talk) 17:20, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

I'd say the template is still needed because the attribution needs to point to the permalink. :) fr33kman 17:28, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Actually, it does point to the permalink. My mistake. The correct edit summary is this:

Created by translating the page "الحكومة الفلسطينية"

Kk.urban (talk) 17:31, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Then the template is not needed. We only need this for copywriter law not prettiness sakes fr33kman 17:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. @Irtapil:, you were right. However it could be useful to categorize articles that came from other Wikipedias, and {{Translated page}} does this, so you could use it for that reason. Kk.urban (talk) 17:36, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

w:CXT (the translafion tool) should be plenty for translation attribution. If we tag every article as having some translation it'll be the majority of articles. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 19:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Phase II of Total Backlog Annihilation is now available

Hello fellow editors! We have another backlog to help out on. Visit Phase II to help out. I look forward to seeing you shortly. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:59, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Hello fellow editors. I have started a merge proposal on John Mills (gunner). Please join in the fun with your comments! Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:30, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@PotsdamLamb: We don't usually have discussions on these. Just use your best judgement and be sure to leave an edit summary about what you're doing. -- Auntof6 (talk) 15:26, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Redirected to this one.--Next time: leave an edit summary about what one is doing. 2001:2020:32B:D16A:9D07:3C7E:A3B1:F2FA (talk) 17:12, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

IP what are you talking about? Since you supposedly know so much and you merged them, how about if you do it correctly and remove the merge tag? Oh wait let me do that for you since you are off fixing other articles. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:08, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 It actually states on the policy Wikipedia:Merging and moving pages#Proposing a merger it can be proposed if you are unsure. I don’t know how much can be found on the individual which is why I proposed it. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 21:06, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Request for Adminship - MathXplore

This is a public announcement about MathXplore accepting their nomination to be an Administrator! Please go to their RfA page and make your statements. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Interesting, I thought MathXplore had no intentions of being an Administrator before. – Angerxiety^! 17:32, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Just a point of interest: on RFAs, it actually is a vote. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:17, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 I was asked to make it more nuetral and less excited. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:54, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Thoughts from other editors on an article

Hello. I wanted to get others thoughts on this article Parish (country subdivision) which was just created. I am not finding it anywhere else and I am debating to myself if it is something we should keep. Perhaps, I was thinking, is make Parish a disambiguation page (currently it is only about churches) and create links to the various Parish lists we have. I would love to see the thoughts of others. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 00:22, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I just linked the article in Wikipedia. As for Parish, it is fine as it is because the religious meaning is the primary one. It could use a hatnote pointing to the non-religious one. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Where you linked it to should actually be this article Administrative division which is redirected from Parish (administrative division). It is confusing because Q56061 points to Administrative division on ENWP. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 01:08, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I linked it correctly. The content of the articles I linked is the same. I changed the target of the redirect to the article closest in meaning. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:19, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Ah ok. Thanks. It was just really confusing following along with the redirects and both sites. Thanks. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 01:20, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Quick deletion page of HarleyHoneys

Hello.

A user named User:HarleyHoneys is globally locked. Naturally, because I am an IP, I cannot request a quick deletion of the user and talk page. This reason is because of being a blocked or banned user. I am much happier being an IP, so can somebody take care of this? Thanks. 2601:402:4402:61F0:EE74:70E:72DC:65A8 (talk) 21:00, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

(non-admin comment) most of the time there is very little reason to delete user page (or even items in userspace) unless they directly break our rules. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:13, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

 Comment: The IP is also globally locked. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:53, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Future of Total Backlog Annihilation project

PotsdamLamb has said they're retiring from Simple Wikipedia and requested quick deletion of the WikiProject page. However, I did decline it as Phase II of the project for broken file links is still ongoing. The project in general has already cleared Special:UnconnectedPages and looks likely to clear Category:Pages with broken file links. So it seems to have been quite a helpful project in terms of pointing out backlogs where they exist and concentrating efforts in those specific backlogs, doing them one at a time with multiple editors involved. I'd be interested in continuing the project in my userspace as best as I can, but of course all ideas would be welcome. Do any previous participants have any comments to make on this? @Lee Vilenski, Auntof6, Ayesha46, and Darkfrog24: --Ferien (talk) 19:28, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

I never really got involved with TBA because it happened at the same time as the F&F write-a-thon. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ferien I think you need to exclude the Wikipedia: namespace from that list. To my knowledge they are not supposed to be connected to wikidata Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:53, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Also for Wet T-shirt contest I think this image File:Sun Club Wet T-Shirt Contest 2012.jpg would be more appropriate. The current one has unnecessary nudity. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:54, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Aside from this I just added all pages to items that were not either seeming hoaxes that should be deleted (see #Page that should be deleted) or ones that are actively in deletion discussions Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:03, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I think that's out of scope of this discussion. You are free to change the image if you want. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:24, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I don't think that's true in all cases. Some Wikipedia-space pages wouldn't have equivalents, such as our RFD pages. However, some would, such as our manual of style. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:22, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 you make a good point. I realize looking at the list, at this point it is almost entirely just new pages, and RFD pages. It might be good to exclude the RFD pages but I do not know if that is technically possible. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 01:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle Yes, you're right. If you go to Special:UnconnectedPages, you can select a namespace. There are currently 20 unconnected pages in the article namespace. Kk.urban (talk) 01:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

A dedicated running backlog drive (which is what I consider this to be) seems like a suitable thing to have going on. I'm happy if it is moved to another space. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:41, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes it's fine, main thing is we need it to be impactful like it is currently irrespective of whose userspace it's in... -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

My only participation was to propose a category to be addressed in phase 2 when PDL asked me to suggest one. However, if you want to continue it, I think it's a worthy project and I would probably contribute a little from time to time. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:29, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved TBA to my userspace, now at User:Ferien/WikiProject TBA. I'll try to get another phase going before May. Ideas for the next phase are welcome at my talk page or User talk:Ferien/WikiProject TBA. --Ferien (talk) 20:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Page that should be deleted

This page Class Clown of Lafayette College seems to have nothing of value on it. Unless it is something with news coverage it should be deleted Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:56, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

This page is about a notable person but has no content Sir Paul Marshall Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 20:58, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

This one is questionable but I think self promotion HGC Apparrel Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 21:01, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: If you think these pages should be deleted, the process is to propose either quick deletions or an RFD. RFDs are where discussion would take place. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:31, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

@Auntof6 Immanuelle is blocked from editing mainspace and is therefore unable to tag the articles. The first two are now tagged for QD, but I'm not sure about the third - someone else can start and RfD if they want. Kk.urban (talk) 01:00, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: Thanks.

@Immanuelle: If you are blocked from mainspace, you probably shouldn't be asking other people to do things in mainspace for you. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban I hope that my contributions here have been helpful and not disruptive. I'm trying to be a better user. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 01:22, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle Yes, I think your contributions are helpful. I understand that you were blocked for creating complex articles and/or an excess of machine translated articles, not for anything relating to deleting pages, so I think there's nothing wrong with your request here. Kk.urban (talk) 01:24, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Kk.urban thank you. Can you look a bit at the article Wet T-shirt contest, I think it is a bit pov biased (the sexism sentence) and it has an image which does not really explain it since the shirt is not wet, it is just pulled up.

I hope I can learn a bit more about the proper policy here before I request my unblock, and make a better impression on people. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 02:26, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

@Immanuelle I will change the image and the comment. I know that Wikipedia is not censored, but I strongly believe that nudity should only be found within articles about nudity, sex, health, etc. I mean that you should only see such pictures when you expect to see them (in my opinion). "Wet T-shirt contest" sounds innocent (turns out it is not), so I did not expect to see that. And if anybody disagrees with me, they can change the picture again, no problem, I will not engage in an edit war. Dream Indigo 18:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Category issue

We have Category:Wikipedia articles in need of updating, Category:All Wikipedia articles in need of updating, and Category:Articles to be updated. None of these are included within each other. I think the second should be within the first, and the first and third should be merged. These are generated by templates, so I'm not confident enough to deal with it myself. Kk.urban (talk) 04:59, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Y Half done I put "All Wikipedia articles in need of updating" inside "Wikipedia articles in need of updating", but I have not touched "Articles to be updates" for the same reason as yours. Dream Indigo 14:09, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Surely these could be merged into one? They are the same category, unless I'm missing something? Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:57, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like Category:Articles to be updated may not be used any more. I just did null edits on everything in it, and it's now empty. I don't know which template(s) might have been populating it, so I suggest redirecting it; that way, if anything does populate it, it will show up in redirect categories with content. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

It looks like Category:Articles to be updated was generated by {{Update}} which was recently refreshed from enwiki - therefore causing the articles to be moved to Category:Wikipedia articles in need of updating instead. I have redirected Category:Articles to be updated. Kk.urban (talk) 21:14, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Database reports

Most of the database reports that we have on this page have not been updated since 2019. They used to be updated by HydrizBot, but that bot has not been operating, also, since 2019. We ended up deleting one of the reports last year (Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2023/Wikipedia:Database reports/Templates without TemplateData) as they would be very difficult to produce manually. Is it possible to find a replacement for this bot? Pinging @Hydriz: about this, as he might be able to help. --Ferien (talk) 21:01, 22 April 2024 (UTC)

A user seems to be harassing me and engaging in general vandalism

I had an unpleasant encouner with a user Special:Contributions/95.70.138.199 at User talk:Immanuelle and they spammed deletion requests for files I uploaded. What should we do in response? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (please tag me) 16:37, 23 April 2024 (UTC)