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Simple talk
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Big Artillery Weekend

I am starting Big Artillery Weekend. The basis is to contribute to any and all eras of artillery, from Medievial to Modern, and all kinds of artillery, including rocket artillery. Jobs will include article creation, tagging, improving and others. It will start February 18th and end February 20th. Feel free to input suggestions, reports, comments below. `Shakinglord (talk) 20:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

I'd recommend that the weekend code be "BARW" to avoid confusing it with the Big Airport Weekend. -Orashmatash (talk) 20:47, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Sort of wondering if it is entirely wrong that others are writing about howitzers and rocket launchers and I'm writing about BFG 9000S and the Death Star.. They may be fictional (the best weapons are in most concepts of the word best) but they still let military guys blow stuff up pretty well from a distance. --Creol(talk) 09:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I wish I had thought of it, go for it!--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:14, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Pages that need work

• Artillery - has red links to the different types of guns
• List of field guns - has red links for particular weapons
• List of heavy mortars - has red links to particular weapons
• List of howitzers - red links to particular weapons

Progress

Currently four editors have made 69 edits, 15 new pages, and 1 new cat. Join in!--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:56, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

• Update: 6 editors, 164 edits, 22 new articles, 4 new cats. Time is running out!--Peterdownunder (talk) 03:00, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
• Update: 7 editors, 289 edits, 36 new articles, 4 new cats.--Peterdownunder (talk) 20:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
• Summary: 7 editors, 319 edits, 38 new articles and 4 new cats. Well done.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Issues with Navigation Popups?

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 34480

Has anyone else noticed issues with Popups since the recent software upgrade (if anyone else here even uses them)? They're working OK on enwiki, so I suspect they just need updating here. If no one else has reported this, I'll report it over on enwiki -- let me know. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:07, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Most likely due to the MediaWiki software upgrade; I am having the same issue. It's got some JavaScript code in it which automatically loads the latest version from ENWP and since they have it fixed I'm not sure why it's not working here. -Orashmatash (talk) 21:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The script is hard-coded to load from https://secure.wikimedia.org/ which is having problems today. It should be changed to just the second mw.loader.load line. Let me know if you find other problems that might be 1.19's fault. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 23:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

The fix was trivial and should be working now. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 23:38, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but it still looks wonky. Here's a screenshot of what came up when I hovered my cursor over Qadar Yar.

Normally that information comes up in a window, not as text overlaying the other text on the page. Also, the text that pops up doesn't go away when I move the cursor off of the link. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:25, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for providing the screenshot. I see this displayed normally, so I'm not sure yet what the problems is. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 13:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

OK, here's a screenshot from enwiki of what I usually see:

FYI, I use Firefox. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm getting the same, but mainly just on most category pages. I have hard refreshed a page affected - no change. Turned off the gadjet, hard refreshed and no popup as expected, turned it back on, refreshed, and back to not working. It is the same on both Chrome and IE9 (clean ie9, never been used on this site before so nothing to hook on). Affecting at least Vector, Nostalgia and monobook skins. --Creol(talk) 06:35, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the browser information and pages where you're seeing this. Investigating. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 13:42, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Confirmed on Category pages. Thanks for the report! -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 13:44, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm seeing the same problem using Firefox also, but only on category pages. Osiris (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm using the latest version of Firefox and it's broken on all pages. -Orashmatash (talk) 21:27, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

I can't reproduce this. Navigation pop-ups work fine for me on simple.wikipedia in both Firefox and Chrome. Tried it on both article and category pages. Can someone provide more specific steps to reproduce? Kaldari (talk) 22:40, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Using the last article I created as an example - it has the following cats. Some work fine, others are all wibbly-wobbly:

Category:American comedians - works Category:stand-up comedians - doesn't Category:American movie actors - works Category:American voice actors- works

Category:American musicians - doesn't Category:American singers - doesn't Category:people from Nebraska - works Category:1963 births - works

Im in and out of categories constantly though, so hard to tell which are cached or not. Of that list, the only one I can confirm being in during the last week was American singers and pretty certain I have not been in Stand-up for a while. --Creol(talk) 01:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I can't reproduce now even though I could before. Magically fixed? -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 00:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Not fixed for me. I even tried removing my customizations from monobook.js and that didn't make a difference. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:13, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

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Popups has been broken since long before that upgrade. It has only worked intermittently for over a year now. sonia♫ 00:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC) (addendum: Currently working fine in fx, not at all in IE, and not on category pages in Opera, on win7, latest versions of all. sonia♫ 00:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC))

Very weird but User:sonia's note makes sense. Shortly after I wrote the above, I tried again and saw the problem on category pages. While I was playing with ?debug=true and the like to try and find why it works here (for example) but not on a category page, it suddenly started working again. I'm guessing this is some kind of weird caching problem. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 00:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Has worked without problem for me - and is still working. (Firefox)--Peterdownunder (talk) 00:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Yeah most of the gadgets for simple don't work reliably at all. It has always been a use at your own risk situation since we haven't had the editors to be able to keep them up to date and working in this community. -DJSasso (talk) 21:10, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Non-patrollers marking their own edits as patrolled

Tracked in Bugzilla
Bug 34503

Why is it that some non-patrollers have been able to mark their edits as patrolled? -Orashmatash (talk) 21:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Because it happens automatically for auto-confirmed people I believe. -DJSasso (talk) 21:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

It shouldn't happen automatically for autoconfirmed users. Reported.  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  23:12, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm now I see IPs doing it so yeah something is up. -DJSasso (talk) 23:19, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Fixed  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  01:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Pikachu Picture?

I wanted to add an actual picture of Pikachu on the Simple English wiki for it, but I can't. I've already asked this on the English wiki and they told me to go here for help. Can someone do this for me? The Pikachu Who Dared ^{(talk / contribs)} 14:27, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Image uploads are not permitted on Simple English Wikipedia, so any image you want to add to an article would have to be hosted on commons instead. Any media file uploaded to commons is required to be free to use in both the United States and the file's country of origin. See Commons:Licensing for information on copyright law in whatever country this may be (is it Japanese?). Osiris (talk) 14:46, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I'll try and do that, Osiris. The Pikachu Who Dared ^{(talk / contribs)} 14:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Pikachu, please look carefully at en:File:Sugimoris025.png. Pay special attention to the "Licensing section" and to the "Fair use" section of this English Wikipedia page.

No free or public domain images have been located for this artwork. It is protected by copyright.

Can you understand that this is the reason that why no image can be added to Simple Wikipedia? --Horeki (talk) 15:16, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Italic titles

It is possible to make italic titles with the template '{{italictitle}}'. This is done in enWP for titles of films, books, etc. Should we do this? A recent new page Bal du moulin de la Galette has brought this up. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:54, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

I believe we already do do it. But alot of pages haven't had it added. -DJSasso (talk) 16:24, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, we have that template. I've been trying to add it to everything that needs it, but you go ahead, too! --Auntof6 (talk) 21:19, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Please consider Japanese food dishes like Takoyaki and Okonomiyaki — but not Teriyaki or Sukiyaki which have become English words?

What about Korean food dishes like Jjigae — but not Kimchi because it has become an English word?

Is this template appropriate for these articles and others like them? --Horeki (talk) 15:15, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

IMO italic titles should not be used for titles in foreign languages. enWP uses them for a) titles of books, films &c, and names of biological genera and species. These are clear-cut uses. Foreign words are so often imported into English that we would have a difficult time identifying those that were genuinely foreign from those which have been 'naturalised'. A huge number of words in English are of foreign origin. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I agree with Macdonald-ross. See en:Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Titles#Italics for the list of things that take italic titles. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:00, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Yes, agree. --Horeki (talk) 19:18, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

• 15:55, 6 March 2012 diff . . (-15)‎ . . Jjigae ‎ (remove italic title template)
• 15:55, 6 March 2012 diff . . (-15)‎ . . Okonomiyaki ‎ (remove italic title template)
• 15:54, 6 March 2012 diff . . (-15)‎ . . Takoyaki ‎ (remove italic title template)

Parser expressions

Anybody got any idea what's causing the error in these two location maps? It's showing up in transclusions. I've put it down to the centering in the map scale, but see no difference between our version and the enwp version. Osiris (talk) 03:10, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Copied Template:Location map/Info from enwiki and it works now. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 05:25, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but the actual transclusions are still broken (see e.g. Asakuchi, Okayama or Abiko, Chiba). The /info page looks to me like an instruction-only template and doesn't get transcluded. Osiris (talk) 05:39, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Right, I neglected Template:Location map. Try now. -- ☠MarkAHershberger☢(talk)☣ 06:36, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Looks perfect. Thank you very much! Osiris (talk) 06:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Simple Spanish

Just wanted to let you guys know that to see what people think about the starting of a Simple Spanish Wikipedia (yes, I am aware that there have been past proposals that haven't succeeded). If anyone here has an opinion about it, you should head over there and give your input! I'll do my best to translate your comment into Spanish if you don't speak the language :) just comment on the discussion in English (keep it simple, please! My Spanish is good, but I have limitations), email me at tragicnotbeautifulgmail.com, and I'll get to translating it ASAP! (The emailing me part is important. I'm a spacey person.) cymru.lass ^(talk)⁄_(changes) 19:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I wish you luck. The language committee passed a resolution to never open any more non-official language wikis. We only exist because they didn't want to close existing wikis. -DJSasso (talk) 00:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

I think the French Chapter created there own wiki project to do French Victuallers (talk) 13:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

I remember that something clever was done with namespaces to do a simple under a language, it may have been something like fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/simple:Main for example. Truth be told, that might be the right way to do this simple. Josh Parris 06:34, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Billy Graham

Billy Graham is at WP:PAD for those interested. Albacore (talk · changes) 20:57, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

{{translated page}}

Hello all. {{Translated page}} is not working the way it should. It is doing something strange with the ISO template (see Talk:Klein-Brabant for an example), and I can't fix it. If someone with expertise in ParserFunctions could take a look it would be appreciated. -Orashmatash (talk) 14:29, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

Just needed {{ISO 639 name nl‎}} to be created. Osiris (talk) 04:20, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Simple

Editors of Simple English are very welcome

@MonmouthpediA announces the Charles Rolls Challenge This is the first multilingual Wikipedia collaboration to create a wiki-town. All Wikipedians can take part, in any Wikipedia language. The challenge runs from 1 March until the 19th of April 2012. (Prizegiving webstreamed on 21st April). Sign up now "Can you imagine a Wiki Project that involves 1,000 QRpedia codes and free WiFi?"

We do include simple as a language Victuallers (talk) 13:31, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Master of Music needed

Looking over some (ok a whole lot) of our articles, I'm noticing an issue that needs the touch of someone(s) with a lot of free time on their hands, a bit of wikignome in them, and a good understanding of music and modern musical genres. Were this a simple category issue, I would be right on it, but this goes deeper than that (though categorizing is the heart of the issue). Our bands (and in many cases musicians in general) show no consistancy when it comes to genre. The same style of group may be listed as rock, punk, emo, hardcore, post-harcore, etc dictated by how the original editors chose to write the prose (and others followed behind and linked/categorized based on what they are given).

I'm just curious if there is anyone out there with a focus on music (and a lot of free time) willing to take a look at these articles. The main tasks seem to be copy'ing over the en: infoboxes on the bands as needed (let them do the work on defining genres), updating the intro (XXX is an <nationality> <genre> band.) and categorizing based on that info. Given the size of the issue, this is certainly not a short term project, more of an "when I'm bored and looking for something to work on" issue.. --Creol(talk) 09:27, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Moving articles in Simple English Wikipedia to English Wikipedia

I'm working with a group of high school students in Lower Normandy(Argentan,France). They are writing articles in Simple English about various communes in the region. Eventually, I would like to move the most useful articles to English Wikipedia. Cut and paste is the easy answer but I would need to transfer all the edit history and the sources, both of which would make the task much more difficult (sources) if not impossible(edit history). Is there some easy system that I don't know about? --the above unsigned message was from‎ Mlane78212 Talk 06:57, 5 March 2012

This problem could be solved by adding an explanation to each "new" article's talk page:

Article based on Simple Wikipedia

This article or parts of it were created based, in whole or in part, on this version of the Simple Wikipedia article. The complete history of the article can be found there. -- signed by new article creator

In each case, change the red "this version" with a link to the original article.

For example, compare Enoshima and Talk:Enoshima with en:Enoshima. See also Template:Enwp based. --Horeki (talk) 15:27, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Could they be imported from English Wikipedia? I don't know if importing brings the edit history with it, though. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:42, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Import is a good idea, but if you don't want to bother someone with the import permission, the normal procedure I believe is to use en:Template:Translated page on the article's take page. On another note—do we even have any good French commune articles? I remember cleaning up the infoboxes in hundreds of them, and I can't remember one that was more than a few sentences long... Osiris (talk) 23:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I've been catching a lot of them in my simplification runs, and I've only seen 1 or 2 that were longer than that. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:09, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

That is because most of them were created by bot during a craze where the wiki was creating articles via bot for straight foward articles like these. But based on the comments above I think they are intended to improve commune articles. -DJSasso (talk) 13:33, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm the originator of the request.Thank you for your responses. Currently, I'm not interested in transferring any existing commune articles, as they are too brief as you noticed. However, as time goes on and new students at higher levels join the project( we only have 13-to-14-year-olds at the moment) I can foresee better and longer articles. Since all the students are from a small region around Argentan, I suspect future students will be adding to the existing articles. In addition, they haven't begun library research up till now. If that program goes well, they should begin to add more and richer information. It is a slow learning project as we all learn how fast this can go. I also wanted to add an incentive. I wanted them to know that their teacher and I would be choosing the best article(s) to move to English Wikipedia, but only if they were good enough. A regional newspaper wants to write an article as well, so this may be a program that grows beyond my two hour a week volunteer time.

BTW thank you Auntof6 and Osiris for your attention to their articles. I think it makes them feel noticed.Mlane78212 (talk) 14:28, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Survey invitation

The Wikimedia Foundation would like to invite you to take part in a brief survey.

With this survey, the Foundation hopes to figure out which resources Wikimedians want and need (some may require funding), and how to prioritize them. Not all Foundation programs will be on here (core operations are specifically excluded) – just resources that individual contributors or Wikimedia-affiliated organizations such as chapters might ask for.

The goal here is to identify what YOU (or groups, such as chapters or clubs) might be interested in, ranking the options by preference. We have not included on this list things like “keep the servers running”, because they’re not a responsibility of individual contributors or volunteer organizations. This survey is intended to tell us what funding priorities contributors agree and disagree on.

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If you have any questions for me, please address them to my talk page, since I won’t be able to keep an eye at every point where I place the notice.

Thank you! Slaporte (WMF) (talk) 22:10, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I've just written on my talk page by mistake.

Hello, I am Japanese Wikipedian.
I tried to create my user page. However, I make a mistake, in my talk page, I would write the contents of my user page.
I was a blank page to the users of its own. And, again, I wrote to the same content as the user page.
I Do I have to the procedure of something?
Thank you. --御門桜(MIKADO, Sakura) (talk) 17:32, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hello. No you don't really need to do anything, I've put a welcome message on your page to make it look like a proper page, and to just to say welcome! :) Kennedy (talk • changes). 17:50, 7 March 2012 (UTC)