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Hebrews were formed in Kurdistan.,and were never part of Palestine. The King told the Hebrews to leave and set them wandering for centuries. A small group asked the king of Cannana,if they could stay he accepted them as long as they paid taxes to him. No,they were never the first in this location. Correct your history.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.119.233.168 (talkcontribs) 06:15, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Important Message[change source]

It is spelled J U D I S M, without the A originally. It's mispelled same way as calling atheists "atheaists".

OK, where did this beginning come from!? --213.213.151.137 17:56, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

It's the reverse- "Judism" is a misspelling of "Judaism". - Anonymous

Never ever heard of Judism! Judaism is the religion of the Jews. Jew is the English version of Judah or Yahuda.

Famous Jews[change source]

there are tons of famous Jews compared make money man forget them brody! dweeny lil' list you made, they couldn't even fit on there! -Hailey

interesting how yigal amir is a famous jew but Yitzchak Rabin doesnt get his own listing

Is it helpful to have this section anyway? I am not sure how to write a NPOV list of Famous People, unless we have an objective way of measuring fame. (Just nigel 06:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

Suggested additions/revisions[change source]

I wanted to check these suggestions with others before making them.

Under the section on Messiah the phrase "but so far, no one has done those things" is not NPOV. Many poeple in the world do beleive people have fulfilled or are fullfilling the criteria of Messiah (eg Jesus of Nazareth)

The section on Jewish Lifecycle describes a Jewish male lifecycle and then relegates a female s lifecycle to the notes that follow. This should be changed, so a woman's experience isn't just described in how it deviates from a (normal?) male expereince.

The role of temples and synagogues is briefly mentioned under Shabbat but not under the History. I think it would be worth mentioning them here too.

Sorts of Judaism should probably say that these division reflect Judaism today. Other distinctions would have been made in the past.

More on History: I suggest we say something about the relationship between Judaism and Christianity. We could mention this when we talk about the Roman destruction of Jerusalem since it played a role in cementing divisions between the early followers of Jesus and other Jews, resulting in Christianity becoming considered by most a separate religion today.

The sentence "Many Arab and Muslim people who lived in this part of the world were angry..." seems strange. I am confused if it intends to say the angry people were both Arab and Muslim or it is describing two groups. But either way people (even people in the region) did not need to be Arab or Muslim to be angry about this.

How about also mentioning the relationship between Judaism and Islam? (Just nigel 06:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]


Revieing the section on the recent history of Israel, I notice a complication. Since the creation of the country of Israel, 'Jewish' can now refer to not only a religion, and an ethnic group but once again a national group. Obviously one person can be in all three groups but that is not always the case. We say early in this article that Jewish can be a religious group and an ethnic group and that this article is mostly about the religious group. How much do we say about the contemporary nation of Israel, including the controversy over its boarders, without losing track of the religious focus of this article?? (Just nigel 04:24, 27 October 2006 (UTC))[reply]

I thought that the word for someone from Israel was "Israeli", not "Jewish". - Richfife 04:50, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This isn't the article Jewish, it's the article Judaism, ie, the article about the religion. We shouldn't even have to say something like "the rest of this article will talk about the religion". Blockinblox 13:16, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I see now that Jewish redirects here, but it could just as well be made into an article about the ethnic group, as opposed to this article Judaism about the religion. Blockinblox 13:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have just now redirected Jewish to point to Jew instead of here, since Jewish, like Jew, can refer to the ethnic group as well as the religion. Blockinblox 13:23, 27 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Names of God[change source]

kol ma shekatuv be"Names of God" ze shtuyot!

"elohim" (אלוהים) ze ribuy shel "eloha" (אלוה) veze omer shehu meuchad aval lo yachid, ledaati tzarich lasim sham kishur laerech shemot shel elohim bayahadut velimchok et hatat nose mikan!

Imanuel o 14:33, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[change source]

I am baffled that so many people pronounce this word "Judy-ism". First, Jews do not worship anyone or anything named "Judy". Second, the word derives from the kingdom of Judah, which descended from the tribe of Judah. So, it should be pronounced more like "Judah-ism". Finally, We can all agree that the "J-U-D" gives the "Jewd" sound; and that the "I-S-M" gives the "ism" sound. All that is left is the "A". Now why would a person pronounce that as "EE"? We are left with either "Judah-ism", or "Jud-ay-ism", or even more simply as a previous subscriber suggested: "Judism". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.176.47.59 (talkcontribs)

The article has a non-Jewish liberal bias. The liberals want to label Judaism a religion when it is not. While they might have succeeded in fooling some people. The people who keep Judaism today will tell you clearly it is not a religion in the liberal sense of the word. Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz defines it as a "family culture with religious ideas" in his book We Jews. I could go on... 203.217.76.205 14:37, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The english Wikipedia defines Judaism as "the religion of the Jewish people". That is the phrase that we will use. Please don't go around claiming that the writers of this article are non-Jewish liberals. Wikipedia tries to keep a neutral point of view, so the article should not sound like a Jewish point of view pusher wrote it. Rather, the article should simply state the facts and let the reader decide on his or her opinion. PTO 17:45, 24 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The bias that was on this page towards the reform movement is terrible - they themselves admit that their version of Judaism is not valid, it's just a way for them to continue to call themselves Jews while foregoing every Jewish value. Plus, isn't it strange that there was absolutely no mention of the Talmud before I added it? it's a basic Jewish text! even conservatives use it..when they're not ordaining homosexuals that is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.161.87.143 (talkcontribs)

As I read it, there is no bias to either reform/liberal judaism or othordox or charedi/haredi judaism. My parents grew up orthodox jews, and I have been a liberal jew all my life, I have never heard ANY reference to any reform jews saying they are not valid. I know this is not the place to have a theological debate, but liberal judaism is just as valid as othordox judaism, if not more. we stay true perhaps not to ridiculous jewish values like selling our daughers as slaves, but instead we choose to follow values like love your neighbour as yourself. there is absolutely nothing wrong with ordaining homosexuals, there is however something fundementally wrong with saying that homosexuals should not be ordained. (maybe thats why some people are 'fundemental' jews). I have had 3 female rabbis at my synagogue, and i suppose that you don't really feel they were rabbis either. i dissaprove enourmously of you saying that 'even conservatives use' the talmud as if they are less jewish than the orthodoxy. before the shoah, all jews were jewish, whether they were extrememly observant or not. if we refused to embrace change we would still be sitting in caves bashing stones together. But, since israel was created and the orthodoxy refused to recognise progressive judaism, many jews became secular and completely atheistic rather than slightly observant, and so that is perhaps why you feel jews are forgoing their values. my point is that you would feel any mention of liberal/reform jews is biased, as if there was no right for them to exist. all i can say is that ALL jews deserve a mention. “oddeyed„ (talk) 14:31, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Torah written by God?[change source]

Hello there, i am not a Jew, I had a Christian upbringing; what we were told was that the Old Testament of the Bible (which also contains texts that entered the Torah) was inspired by God - but written by men. I don't know how fundamental Judaism is different from liberal Judaism, but can we settle for something that describes that God inspired the Torah, rather than writing it himself? --Eptalon (talk) 08:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

according to judaism the torah (first five books of the bible) was written by god himself, and all other books were written by men.

Jews say: Torah min Hashem....Torah from (His name)/God. The Torah is from God. The word 'from' can have many interpretations.

The Torah (five books of Moses) according to the Orthodox tradition was dictated word-by-word by God to Moses Proud Novice (talk)

Symbol?[change source]

Why is the olive padlock symbol there? It's not protected, so...is it okay if I remove it? Classical Esther 03:06, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It was move protected at one point in time, but no longer. The protecting admin left a lock symbol as opposed to the template we normally use, so it didn't disappear as it should have. Thanks for pointing this out. Lauryn (utc) 03:08, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Lauryn. It's very helpful to have reliable people who are good with these stuff around. :) Classical Esther 03:15, 13 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine......[change source]

Regarding the paragraph which starts: In 1948 after World War II, the United Nations made the country of Israel for the Jews in Palestine. This is utter nonsense! The UN did no such thing. In 1920 the League of Nations at the San Remo conference set up Mandates (sacred trusts) one of which was to secure the re-constitution (note the re-)of the Jewish state in Palestine. Britain was given the Palestine Mandate. But by the time it was formalised in 1923, oil had been discovered in Arabia (which Britain wanted access to) and Britain immediately reneged on the Mandate. Had Britain carried out its 'sacred trust' the state of Israel would have been created prior to world war two and there would not have been a Holocaust! Only after WW2 was there again sympathy for the creation of the Jewish state, but on a greatly reduced amount of land. The Jews announced the state of Israel in 1948 and were immediately attacked by the surrounding Arab states. Following its war of independence, the State of Israel was recognised by the UN. Unfortunately, the Islamic states have never accepted the existance of the Jewish state and work tirelessly to this day for its destruction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.30.20.138 (talkcontribs)

An Appeal[change source]

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Fish kosher and shark[change source]

What makes shark not kosher? They do have fins and scales, but what makes sharks not kosher? Is it because they do not look like typical fish, with typical scales and typical scales? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:18, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Or is it because sharks do not have bone, like eels, lobster, shrimp, squid, etc.? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:20, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well, actually, they don't have scales in the same sense as teleost fish. They have little versions of shark teeth! Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:54, 7 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

History section[change source]

The History section is about the history of the Jewish people and not about the history of the Judaism/the Jewish religion. This article is about Judaism. So I think the History section should be moved to the article Jew. Let me know what you think. I will move it there after a week or more if no one objects. --Chefallen (talk) 03:34, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I see no-one objected so I moved the History section to the Jew article. -- Chefallen (talk) 02:03, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

New Testament and Judaism[change source]

The Jews do not believe the New Testament to be an inspired word of God. Biblical references to Old Testament in the New Testament as a fulfilment of Prophecy spoken of by the prophets in the Old Testament are considered void. The Jews had a different view on that. The Jews hold the view that the Messiah spoken of in the Old Testament would fulfill all the prophecies written in the Old Testament once he comes, not a single reference in the Old Testament justifies the Second Coming of Christ, the proclaimed saviour. The Jewish community, the so called Judaisms believe that the Messiah will usher in an era of peace throughout the world when He comes. Jacob Kipgen (talk) 11:06, 21 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]