Talk:British Raj

Ensign[change source]

Hi, after a long work in english wikipedia here, I came back. The reason can't be said right now. Anyways, as per en:w:British Raj, there are no ensign so here the same thing is done. If you look into the topic talk page, on the en:w:Talk:British Raj#Ensign a huge discussion is made on here. Some editors strongly believe that Raj doesn't have flag, just bogus pages (that is en:w:Star of India (flag)) with silliness references. I want to know your views in this ensign case. Hope to get responses very soon.

Thanking you,

--DJRC (talk) 09:59, 15 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Umm, could you summarize the conversation in your view? I basically say it cannot be firmly stated if it has one, due to lack of visible scholarly articles. However, who are we of the present to say the definition of flags in the past? If it was used to represent India in WW2 it seems to have been a formal flag of the British Raj. 💠Ely - Talk💠 13:18, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Elytrian:, I mean to say that India was used as a colony in British Empire. To represent the country British used Star of India in there red ensign (as per en:w:Star of India (flag)). You said, If it was used to represent India in WW2..., no it was produced before WW1, mostly before 1900's. Now as I said that other countries who were earlier a colony of British empire (South Africa, Fiji, Canada, New Zealand and Australia), has used British red and blue ensign flags in earlier times, but in this article no flag or ensign is present. The editors who removed it in english wikipedia strongly believe that Raj doesn't have flag. I doubt it. However most of the pages the Star of India is given (As a reference of formerly British Raj). But here in this main article it is not given. In Simple Wikipedia, we mostly follow the format of the article in english wiki. So do you think that Raj does actually have flag (Star of India)? Or represented as a colony. I want to know from you all.--Jyoti Roy (talk) 05:21, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The main point is that since the red ensign was used formally in WW2 I believe that Raj does have flag. (although with doubt due to my confusion). 💠Ely - Talk💠 05:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferien:, you are a UK person, what are your views regarding on this?--Jyoti Roy (talk) 05:24, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

*English/British. UK can indicate Scottish or North Irish. 💠Ely - Talk💠 05:33, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Just giving invitation. Nothing else. Jyoti Roy (talk) 05:39, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Uh, who's, DJRC if you are Jyoti Roy? 💠Ely - Talk💠 05:50, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Elytrian + Welsh and whatever you call people from the Chanel Islands and/or the Isle of Mann (I think the latter are called Manx?) --SHB2000 (talk) 07:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Inhabitants of the Chanel Islands are called Islanders. @SHB2000💠Ely - Talk💠 08:10, 17 December 2021 (UTC) [reply]

The term "islanders" alone usually means someone from Polynesia + New Zealand to me --SHB2000 (talk) 08:12, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@TTP1233 and Elytrian: British covers all four "countries", I'm English because I'm from England, and then there's also Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish. --Ferien (talk) 15:55, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferien But does it include modern British dependencies? (like the Channel Islands, Isle of Man, Falkland Islands, Pitcairn Island etc.) SHB2000 (talk) 20:23, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SHB2000: As far as I'm aware, yes. --Ferien (talk) 20:29, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest, I am not very familiar with what happened during the British Raj so I'm probably not the best person to ask. --Ferien (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Ferien and SHB2000: Hey Guys! I am still in doubt about the specific term for "people who speaks English as mother tongue". If a person speaks Meitei/Manipuri, no matter if he's an Indian or Bangladeshi or Myanmar, he's always called Meitei/Manipuri. Like that, is there any specific term for English speaking people, no matter if s/he is an Australian, British, Canadian, American or out of Anglosphere? Haoreima (talk) 04:25, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I know of. Same with French, if you live in Francophone Africa or Quebec, you're not considered French. However, you are considered French if you live in the Great 21st century French empire though that is not in metropolitan France (i.e. Guadeloupe, French Guiana, Réunion, New Caledonia etc.). SHB2000 (talk) 04:31, 23 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SHB2000: I think "Anglophone" is a suitable word. I saw en:English Americans, en:English Australians, en:English Canadians, etc. Anglophone may be anyone who speaks English L1 regardless of origin. My doubt is that does the term "English people" (not "English speaking people", because this may cover people of other origins also) still covers those Australians and Americans of English origin? For example, if I ask an English Australian, "Are you English?", will he say "yes" or "no"? Another thing, is "anglophone" a fair term? I ask this because I am not familiar with it before. For example, if I ask someone, "Are you an anglophone?", will this be normal or something a little bit offensive. I don't know! Haoreima (talk) 07:05, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Haoreima (apols for the late response). In French, it's pretty common to say "Est tu anglophone?" which directly translates to "Are you anglophone?" which is the same thing as "Are you English speaking?". Unfortunately, this would mean those who only speak English as a first language (i.e. your most preferred language) but it's a commonly used term in Canada.

Elsewhere in the English speaking world, it's very uncommon. SHB2000 (talk) 23:24, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I feel this talk page has quite lot of attention on it so I've changed the {{help me}} template to {{helped}}. If anyone feels otherwise, please change it back to helpme. --Ferien (talk) 11:38, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]