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Todo: The Aristole section probably needs simplifying. Ideally, this is done wiothut losing the content, and just by tellling it in a simpler way. --Eptalon (talk) 10:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Stanford Encylopedia of Philosophy:Kant and Hume on Causality, Leibnitz on Causation may also hlep understanding/explaining this.--Eptalon (talk) 10:26, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
To the Philospohers out there: Can Hume's billard ball example be simpilfied sufficiently to be included here? - If so, would it be a simpler explanatiion than Aristotle? --Eptalon (talk) 10:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Aristotle on Causality--Eptalon (talk) 10:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Collecting ideas[change source]

Hello all, I am not a philopsopher, therefore I ask what target we have for this article. Causality/Causation seems to have been a subject of predilection of many philospohers (Somepbased on Aristole, others with their own ideas). We should therefore decide on what we want this article; it would also be good if the respective sections are written by someone interested in Philospohy, as there is a considerable amount of reading to do. I just mention a few "key" (?) concept/authors

  • If everything has a cause, then there is not really a choice; there is no free will. The current system of law however assumes that there is.
  • Some of the peole who tried to prove the existence of god, like Anselm of Canterbury probably need mentioning (or rather: their ideas.
  • Augustine of Hippo
  • Thomas Aquinas (aka. Saint Thomas)
  • Plato
  • Plotinus
  • Marsilius of Inghen (14th century, Logician, no idea how importat he was)
  • Schopenhauer
  • Leibniz
  • Blozano (?, Logician, 1780-1850, roughly)
  • Jean-Paul Sartre
  • Descartes
  • Anselm of Canterbury

This is just a list, compiled for looking through the stanford encyclopedia of philosophy for 15 minutes; I am not a pilosopher, so I cannot tell the importance of these people or ideas; Very quickly this gets linked to the ida of Free Will (yes/no), and several theologians probably also spent time with it.

In short, I see the next steps for this article as follows:

  • Cleanup/Simplify what is there (Aristotle, Hume)
  • Decide what we want to include (at the start)
  • Bring that into a form so it can be presented to the SEWP crowd.

Dependingo n thje size, this could easily be a project that spans several months; anyone interested in a wikiproject Philosophy? --Eptalon (talk) 08:14, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

See also section[change source]

What about adding a "See also section" with the link to the nonlocality wikipedia article?