Talk:Gender bias in science

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@Eptalon:, this article's subject is eligible for the Wiki Loves Women 2021 edit-a-thon. I see your name is already on the list of contestants. Just add {{WLW2021}} to this talk page when you think the article is ready to be judged. You have until September 30. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:22, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This article seems to be only about gender bias in science, not gender bias in general. Perhaps we should move it to "Gender bias in science." Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:29, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

What would you expect of an article about "Gender bias" that was not founded in science? - I mean there's the hatred of women (misogyny), and the hatred of men (misandry). So what would you base the article on, if not (social) sciences? --Eptalon (talk) 22:55, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I mean this article only talks about gender bias as it appears in scientific studies. It does not talk about gender bias in society. "Bias" does mean the misreading of data that occurs in research, but it also means "prejudice." Racism is a form of bias in that sense. Someone looking for an article called "Gender bias" is probably looking for an article about gender discrimination in general. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
SupportΒ : I agree with Darkfrog24, there is a clear difference between the gender bias as discussed in social sciences and the overall gender bias and its consequences. πŸ’ Ely - TalkπŸ’  03:06, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will also Support as per Darkfrog24 and Elytrian. SHB2000 (talk) 07:31, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Please ask yourselves: there's currenlty no EnWp article about the topic, probably this has a reason. Also if I rule out scientific bias, and don't talk about general dislike/hatred for men/women, the only thing left to base an artilce on is that in some societies, baby girls get aborted more often than baby boys. Also not something I'd write about under "gender bias". So: realistically, what's left?--Eptalon (talk) 09:07, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On en.wiki, "Gender bias" is a redirect to "sexism." But, of course, Eptalon, no one's saying you have to be the one who writes the article that would cover that. I typed "gender bias in studies" into en.wiki and did see articles on a similar level and theme, including en:Gender bias in medical diagnosis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Original research[change source]

This entire article comes across as OR and personal opinion. Time and again unsourced thought are being tossed around. "in girls, being hyperactive is often seen as good thing." - according to who? "Many people think that girls are supposed to talk and smile often" Which people think this? "In boys, being hyperactive is seen as a weakness." again... according to who?

The idea of a gender pay gap has been widely disputed for years and study constantly seem to be popping up to debunk the term. Even if there is an actual gap because of gender, I do not see how it applies to a bias in scientific studies.

the quality of the writing also needs to be addressed. Aside from the tone leaning towards an opinion piece than an encyclopedic article, there are just several issues I have to wonder about. Examples include: " when scientists study clinical depression again, they sometimes think" When they do it again = in the future, they sometimes think = in the present. I would also question how the editor knows what the thoughts are, let alone what they are thinking in the future.

" An androcentric view happens, which is biased towards men." You are going to include the term androcentric and not link it? Also in what way is it baised towards men. Is the bias in favor of men? is it biased in the way it applies to men? very vague in the meaning here.

The entire Overgeneralizations section is unsourced and very debatable. AFAIK, all present day human drug trials use as wide a subject base as possible. Each sex, every race, medical conditions, lifestlyes, etc.. unless they are studying a gender specific drug, they cast as wide a net as possible. While it would be common to test Viagra on men and PMS related drugs on women, for a drug meant for general conception, it would be tested on a more varied group. If you are claiming they only test ADHD drugs on men, you need to provide a reference for such a claim. Pure Evil (talk) 19:47, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]