Talk:History of Spain
A lot of people took over Spain from the 13th century but by the end of the 19th Century Spain was fairly poor ,and was ruled by French people. Britain sent its own troops to defend Spain since it was so weak. This put first France, then Britain, in control of Spain for the rest of that century. Today Britain has strong ties to Spain from this time.
19th century Roman Catholics from Europe eventually decided to fight to take Spain from the Muslims. They fought wars for many hundreds of years, some of which were Crusades against other Christians like the Cathars. These were very cruel wars.
- wtf is this?
I copied the text on History of Spain, and I also left it on the main page Spain. Do we want to leave the history at History of Spain and delete it from Spain, or leave it at Spain and delete the page History of Spain? Personally I like having a separate page for "History of Country" for all countries. -- RJWiki
- Reduce the version in Spain to one to three paragraphs with the important years and links. Stuff like "...Muslim Spain left a great legacy of buildings and learning, some of which was retained after 1492 when it fell to become part of the new and unified Spain."... You know, like tourist stuff, noting the things people would notice, like the buildings, asking "gee how come these look like Arab buildings" etc.. Nothing that doesn't show up in modern tourist books need be mentioned in the history section. Long and complex history like that of Spain might take three paragraphs but no more than that.
Sounds logical to me. :-) -- RJWiki
- That's more or less how Full English does it. Other pedias too?
It would be worthwhile to really work hard on this article since History of Spain is really the central story that relates the rise of the Roman Catholic Church, the Islamic civilization, the Americas, and the sea power methods that France, then Britain, copied, to rule both Europe and the New World. Not to mention the 20th century dance of fascism, democracy, communism and anarchism. It's the most complete story of the Western world in one place.
Similarly, a History of Afghanistan would explain Central Asia very well, and a History of Ukraine would explain Eastern Europe and its relation to the Near East and the Byzantine Empire. History of Mexico might be just as useful to lay out the most critical links about North and Central America. A few of these central countries that were at the crossroads of some serious conflicts, and power struggles, tend to be involved in everything around them. So we might do well to start with those.
- "a History of Afghanistan would explain Central Asia very well" -- I would have thought History of Persia / History of Iraq. -- RJWiki
- Note current history - Afghanistan is, and always has been, strongly linked to these, as the Silk Road to China. In fact Afghanistan borders India (in its original pre-Pakistan form), Iran/Persia, and even Russia. Battling for control of it was called "The Great Game" by Rudyard Kipling.
- As for Iraq, it's a 20th century invention. Iraq was made out of three ex provinces of the Ottoman Empire, which had, and wanted, little in common. It was a convenience created for adminstrative purposes. Now if we call Iraq by its old name Mesopotamia, we might make a case for it being very central, but probably too central, to a series of civilizations. One will miss the history of civilizations that rose and fall while there was a strong civilization centred in Babylon/Baghdad. So it's not always the imperial capitals whose history is interesting.
- No, I didn't mean current history! :-) "the Silk Road to China. ... Battling for control of it was called "The Great Game" by Rudyard Kipling." -- Ok, good reminders -- RJWiki
- My point was, these places still matter in current history. Obviously. But you make a good point about Persia or Mesopotamia being still pivotal too. They just have been the center of empires, and those places don't get the most interesting traffic necessarily.