Talk:Kimono

"People who play some sports like kendo also wear kimono." -- ??? People certainly don't do kendo wearing kimono, do they? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.165.178.155 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 4 July 2004 (UTC)

Um, I think that they can be called kimono as "a traditional style of clothes". We Japanese, however, usually don't call them kimono (着物), but do-gi or kendo-gi. Gi (着) means "something you wear", a shortened word of kimono. Do-gi are not "typical" kimono, they do not "reach to the ankles". Kendo players wear kendo-gi (chunky tops), hakama (loose-fitting pants), and some protectors. Judo and karate clothes are also called do-gi, or judo-gi and karate-gi respectively. e-Goat 15:42, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Images of men in a Kimono?

Hello, I just added two images of women in kimonos. Images of men in Kimonos are more difficult to find. For completeness sake, an image of a man in a kimono would be nice though.--Eptalon (talk) 18:26, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eptalon: This? Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:29, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this is a couple marrying in a kimono. The woman is wearing one, but is the garment of her husband (to be?) a Kimono? --Eptalon (talk) 18:37, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

BTW; thats the only image thereseems to be. --Eptalon (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@Eptalon: This then. Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

We should alternate the pictures between left and right in the article, like they did at Geisha --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 23:05, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Camouflaged Mirage, Eptalon I moved the second image to another section of the article, and put it to the left, thoughts? --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

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Visually much better. In my personal opionion though we should avoid "overlapping" images; we have this situation, because "men's and women's kimono" is too short. Also, the image we have now in the intro section, should go to the history section, and perhaps take the other images showing a couple in kimonos, once we can make sure the man is really wearing one. --Eptalon (talk) 02:49, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

I cannot find sources for some of the claims in the article, so can I just remove them? --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 02:52, 20 November 2020 (UTC)

History section

The CNN source about cultural appropriation has good information for the history section from the Dutch influence on. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:09, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

GA Status

Darkfrog24, Judging from right now, how much work do we need to do to at least get this article considered for GA? I think it will help to make a checklist here of the issues in the article and what needs to be done. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

Oh lots. But I can think of two right now.

Go through existing sources one by one and add ref tags to information in the article.

Go through history section and put events in order, adding years for when each change happened (at least for most of them). Darkfrog24 (talk) 13:17, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

• Add ref tags
• Order and add years to history section

Darkfrog24 Okay so now we have an idea of what we should do first/take care of. Once I am less busy this week hopefully I can start editing more again. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:35, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

• The English in this article is not GA, in my opinion. It is serviceable, and not incorrect, but that is way from being GA prose. Macdonald-ross (talk) 05:31, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks for the note, Macdonald-ross, could you give an example or two, where the English can be fixed? Tsugaru let's talk! :) 19:45, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

There's a limit to how much I can contribute to this wiki. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:10, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I don't understand what you mean by that. If you mean you aren't able to, then that is okay. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

I also think we should try to decide on which variant of English to use on this article. So there won't be several different spelling formats in the article. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:19, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Discrepancy

The Young Post says the kimono was invented "in the 1600s" and the VA Museum says it was invented "in the 16th century," which is the 1500s. So far, I think it was YP that made the mistake, but we should all keep our eyes open for what other sources say about when the kimono-as-we-know-it first came to be. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:33, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Darkfrog24 I have access to some academic sources via my local library and possibly the Wikipedia Library I can try and see if I can get access. When I am using these sources I will try to see what I can find about when the Kimono was invented. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:36, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Excellent. The academic sources are more likely than either YP or the museum to have it right. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:03, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

@つがる:, would you check this line for factual accuracy, please: "The kimono had two parts: a jacket and either a skirt or trousers." It's in the history section. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:07, 2 August 2022 (UTC)

Darkfrog24 Unfortunately this will have to be delayed, the Vancouver Public Library's Academic Search Ultimate access is having problems when I key in my card, I contacted the library and they should get back to me in a few days Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:06, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Issue fixed Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:51, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Hooray. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

I'll get started on the information and finding it starting tomorrow. If anyone has any requests for me, please list them here. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:13, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Image under section "Types of kimono"

Do we know what type of kimono is being worn in the photo? Since that photo is being used under that section it would add value to illustrate the specific type of kimono that she is wearing. Chenzw  Talk  05:20, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

Chenzw That is a good point, I will look into this. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:29, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

@つがる It may help you to look at the pictures in Wikimedia Commons, in the category "Types of kimono". Although, it's of course possible that someone put them in the wrong categories. Lights and freedom (talk) 20:32, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

EN features the same picture in the Kimono article, and it says the type of kimono being worn, however the reliability is what I wonder... --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:16, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Sources

• Is this a good source? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:27, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Google Arts and Culture? Good question. I believe the criterion is whether it has undergone editorial review. I'll look.

It's marked "Kyoto Museum of Traditional Crafts," so it's been written or at least endorsed by professionals.

I would say this is an okay but not great source. The information is good and I expect every fact is probably true or technically true, but because it's meant as a presentation to wow and impress the viewer rather than to provide details and facts, it was probably streamlined and arranged to prefer flow to strict accuracy. We could use it, but there's not much in there to use. I say we add this as a backup source to strengthen our position on facts already in the article. Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:35, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

So far I have found one citation for a fact in this article, but how do I cite it, the journal has a cite button, so how do I turn that into the Wikipedia style citation? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:29, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Here's how you cite a journal article, taken from Boana aguilari:

<ref name=Des>{{cite journal |author1=Edgar Lehr |author2= Julián Faivovich |author3= Karl-Heinz Jungfer |year=2010 |title=A new Andean species of the Hypsiboas pulchellus group: adults, calls and phylogenetic relationships. |journal=Herpetologica |volume=66 |issue=3 |pages=296-307 |doi=10.2307/40931036 |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/47552687_A_New_Andean_Species_of_the_Hypsiboas_Pulchellus_Group_Adults_Calls_and_Phylogenetic_Relationships |type=Full text |accessdate=August 7, 2022}}</ref>

You can add as many author3, author4 as there are. You can put "date" instead of "year" if you know the whole date.

Here's how to cite something like the museum:

<ref name=KMus>{{cite web |author1=[That Japanese text at the bottom might be an author's name, so "公益財団法人 京都伝統産業交流センター 京都伝統産業ふれあい館"?] |author2= [See above] |year=2010 |title=The origin of kimono |publisher=Kyoto Museum of Traditional Crafts |url=https://artsandculture.google.com/story/iQWRIzW_YsXFJQ |accessdate=August 9, 2022}}</ref>

Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:16, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Darkfrog24 something like this? <ref>{{Cite journal|last=Valk|first=Julie|date=May 2018|title=From Duty to Fashion: The Changing Role of the Kimono in the Twenty-First Century.|url=https://web.p.ebscohost.com/ehost/detail/detail?vid=6&sid=72419985-8db1-4bc6-9b54-954e41fce777%40redis&bdata=JnNpdGU9ZWhvc3QtbGl2ZQ%3d%3d#db=asn&AN=129301148|journal=Fashion Theory|pages=317|via=EBSCO}}</ref> This is to cite the Komon claim in the "Types of Kimono" section --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 01:57, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:05, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

Plural

Should we use "kimonos" or "kimono" for a plural in English? I've heard and read it both ways. I have no personal preference, so long as the article is consistent. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:29, 21 August 2022 (UTC)

Darkfrog24 I tend to use "kimonos". However, I don't really mind which one is used --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:02, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Also we should decide what format of English to use here.... Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:58, 31 December 2022 (UTC)