Talk:Mental illness

Kinds of mental illnesses

Is this list really needed? Exert 16:55, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm going to remove the list. They would be better off in a category. Exert 06:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Treatment of Mental Illness

I think it's fair to add other evidence-based practices to the list of "treatment". I have bipolar disorder and work extensively with NAMI. While NAMI is supported by the pharmaceutical industry, there is evidence for other types of treatment that do not involve medication or therapy. Would links be appropriate or are scientific articles too much for this? ~ Michelle (my apologies if I did anything wrong in this post; it's my first one.

Appropriate image?

Is the image helpful in any way. It does not demonstrate anything about mental illness and the descriptive legend lists more signs than illnesses. I propose it is removed and replaced with a Hogarth drawing of Bedlam which at least has interesting allusions to the signs and symptoms of MI - if an image is required. Richard Avery (talk) 15:58, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Defining mental illness

@Eptalon: Considering the two most accepted books for mental health disorders (DSM-V and ICD-11) have a similar definition, why are we relying on a single text book in German with two unknown authors? -- Amanda (aka DQ) 20:33, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Hello. In my original change (which you later removed), I wanted to get across a very simple idea: In many mental illnesses, people know they are different/outside the norm, and they try to adapt to the norm, as much as they can. In many cases, they can not affect their condition enough, which causes them 'distress'. Take the enWP article: 'Some individuals with OCD are aware that their behaviors are not rational, but feel compelled to follow through with them to fend off feelings of panic or dread. (2 references)' - If you can get this idea in, then you can remove the section I added for it. I translated the DEWP article, and took the reference that was there. I am not a medical professional, and unable to judge the quality of a reference. --Eptalon (talk) 20:48, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

There is some truth to what you say, that people can know that they are outside the norm, but it's a half truth and a WP:SYNTH of sources. Saying something like 'people with mental illness can be aware of the symptoms of their illness' would be more accurate and to the truth. I would also accept what the enwp article says about OCD, as rationality is based on logic and reason. Societal norms are not the same thing. Therefore they can't be equated. Just doing a quick academic article search, there is also a fair amount of studies about lack of self-awareness in mental health disorders. I'm happy to add some more things in the article along those lines, but I'll need a few days to do it. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 21:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

It would be great, to not focus on one specific mental illness, I guess there are other mental disorders (than OCD), where preople are 'distressed' because even if they try, they can no longer 'fit in with social norms' (was that Schizophrenia)? - Anyway, if you think the addition would be worthwile, then please go ahead..--Eptalon (talk) 21:43, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not disagreeing that people will be 'distressed' nor that they 'don't fit in social norms', what I'm saying is that's a very sweeping statement and opinions will always vary on it especially by geological boundaries. Therefore the way the academic world acknowledges it is through self-awareness. Also, not "fiiting into social norms" is a form of ableism, or a negative skew on the idea, whereas self-awareness is a neutral view. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 21:55, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

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I think my ideas made their way across, and I am aware that this wiki supposedly has a different audience from EnWp. Without picking on terms, what I found challenging/interesting here was the need to find a way to express an idea so that it is easy to grasp, and still correct. I trust you to find a way to express the idea I sketched above, while respecting our audience. When we have the respective publications to cite, I can help with getting the language simpler, if necessary. I think it was Schizophrenia they needed to rename in Chinese, because the name was too problematic. Anyway, good luck. --Eptalon (talk) 23:09, 14 January 2020 (UTC)