Talk:The Holocaust

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Attention to Holocaust deniers
This page is not intended as a place for you to so say The Holocaust didn't happen. If you want to write about that idea, write about it on Holocaust denial. Please see en:Holocaust denial for an idea of what to include. -- Netoholic @ 05:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The Holocaust Denial Page is irrationally biased and "protected" just like the official Holocaust page, the Adolph Hitler page, the biographies on the historians and anything referring to Zionism, Jews or Anti-Semitism.

Questioning aspects that are nonsensical and preposterous is not like saying "the holocaust didn't happen" I'm amazed by your true religious sentiments.

‘Do I "deny the holocaust"? No! No indeed. I hope the holocaust is not denied and never forgotten. I hope the holocaust is remembered as the greatest propaganda effort and hate campaign ever waged against a civilized people. We must never forget. We must look at the despoliation of our people and our culture and ask – Why do the heavens not darken? We have lost the will and courage to defend ourselves. The time has come to commit the new blasphemy. It is time to deny the gods of the New World Order and to honor those of us who will burn at the stake for doing so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

Anyone is entitled to his or her opinion;however, centralising power in one person (That is what Fascism ultimately does) also has drawbacks. Also remember that what are called the old gods in the citation above, may refer to a religion which has artificially been constructed from old sources (basically, the Edda,et. al.) in the 20th century.But such thimngs have little to do with the Holocaust, or Holocaust denial. --Eptalon 00:56, 6 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Major improvement needed, and ideas are desired[change source]

I think it's a shame that this article is a stub in its current state, and plan on extensively expanding it. Help is encouraged, as well as ideas for how best to tackle this. My question right now: what would be the best way to organize this? Kansan (talk) 07:49, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Here are some ideas:
  • Those who witnessed the events are more than 70 years old, those who took part probably over 90 - if they are still alive. The history of the war was written by those who won (it always is). For this reason, any number of deported, killed, etc. needs to be backed up. If it isn't, we are prone to propaganda from either side.
  • It is easy now to claim almost any number, esp. if this is done without a reliable source. The works we base ourselves on should therefore use data obtained before about 1950.
  • Several countries have made it a crime to "question the official version". If this is upheld, this means that no scientist from such a country can reasonably do work in that field.
  • On the pretext that they might "harm the youth", several films and documents are still withheld from the public. If at all, the public only gets to see a "censored" version
For the resons cited above reliable sources need to be found to back up the claims the article makes.
We also need more background: The NSDAP was not the only party between 1918 and 1933; the ideas about one race being superior to the others was also not unique, but rather widespread. This is of course just a start, with some points. --Eptalon (talk) 15:14, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for burned alive in ovens[change source]

I'm trying to find the source for Jews being burned alive in ovens. There is no citation given on this article for that. — This unsigned comment was added by Amaranthus (talk • changes) on 20:22, 17 February 2014‎ (UTC).[reply]

PassaMethod's recent edits[change source]

I am troubled by @PassaMethod's recent edits that completely minimize the particular focus on Jews. I think you could argue that the same particular focus applies to the Roma, but not necessarily to other groups listed (like Slavs). And whether or not you approve of Jewish migration to Israel—and I know from your comments in other places that on balance you favor the Palestinian side in its dispute with Israel—I absolutely do not believe that the so-called "Nakba" is relevant to this topic. Especially in Simple English Wikipedia, I am really reluctant to add ideas that are not directly relevant to the subject of the article.

Can we please discuss here before you bulk-revert your changes? Thanks. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:58, 2 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pie chart[change source]

The Pie chart includes Soviet POWs as a part of the Holocaust. it mingles unrelated issues and thus misrepresents the essence of the Holocaust and diminished the uniqueness of the Holocaust as a historical phenomena. Soviet POWs is an issue totally unrelated to the mass extermination, born of aim of total annihilation of the Jews. The Pie chart should be mended or deleted. Ehud Amir (talk) 09:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Rsk6400 (talk) 08:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]