User talk:AManWithNoPlan

This is AManWithNoPlan's talk page, where you can send messages and comments to AManWithNoPlan.
Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic. Please sign and date your posts by typing four tildes (`~~~~`). New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Ask questions, get answers.	Be polite, and welcoming to new users Assume good faith Do not attack other users For disputes, please see our guideline

Tracing the pages[change source]

I saw you are fixing some urls of some pages. How do you trace those pages with deformed urls to be fixed? Haoreima (talk) 17:28, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are a few that had a dq=blah set when a q=blah should have been set. If the URL had "dq=XYZ#q=XYZ" then is should be "q=XYZ", but if the URL had "dq=ABS#q=XYZ" then is should be "dq=XYZ". Bot was not aware of the dq=q case. Very rare. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just find them by looking over past bot edits. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Then, you are facing a new adventure! :-) Haoreima (talk) 17:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello friend! Which tool or technique do you use while converting a bare url into a well adored url? Haoreima (talk) 07:19, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

https://citations.toolforge.org/ Note that this bot defaults to en.wikipedia.org and not simple. URLs only expand in "slow" mode. You can add a link on the left hand side based upon my https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:AManWithNoPlan/common.js (just copy and paste the citation bot part into your common.js AManWithNoPlan (talk) 13:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was asking so because when I convert a bare url to a well adored url, I don't remove the inner contents of the url. I just add some wordings before and after that url. For example, like this. But as I was observing your actions, for example in the page Pengsiba, I saw you remove some of the inner contents of the urls to convert. Why is it so? For my actions, I use citoid tool. So, there's no change in the url before and after the adoration of the url. If possible, can you do the conversion without removing any inner contents of the url? Haoreima (talk) 13:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing after a # sign in a google books URL is reliable. The bot normalizes the urls by moving the post-hash parts in the actual url, this way all users see the same final url. Google book ulrs should only have at most three parts ID, PG, and Q/DQ. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 14:04, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Either of those said 3 parts are always present in the already added urls. I mean is it possible to convert a bare url to adored url by just doing like this without removing the inner contents of the url? I am saying this because in some cases, the search results change due to removing of the inner contents of the url. Haoreima (talk) 14:09, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How do you get the google book urls? Do you copy it from the browser link or do you use the link generator on the page? AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:02, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

First of all, I entered "share" where there are many options like "Facebook", "Email" "WhatsApp", "Message", etc. among which I choose my personal notepad. There in the notepad, the link will automatically get entered. After that, I copied the link and pasted it in the wikipedia page. Well, no matter of how I get, the thing which really matters is the appearance or the search results of the website when one enters the cited web link. That's why I am concerning about not to change the inner contents of the urls while you edit. Haoreima (talk) 15:07, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where on the google books page do you see share (right/left topy/bottom), etc. Or does this come from your browser or some add-on and not google books itself? I see no share on https://books.google.co.in/books?id=Sw4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT12&dq=%22The+Dennis+James+Carnival%22#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Dennis%20James%20Carnival%22&f=false or https://books.google.com/books?id=Sw4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=PT12&dq=%22The+Dennis+James+Carnival%22#v=onepage&q=%22The%20Dennis%20James%20Carnival%22&f=false. I do see a little link icon that looks like chain-link on the page, and that generates a sharable link AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to explain that to you because I do from mobile version mainly. May I know why are you particularly asking for this? Because the way I collect urls is my personal case. The thing which is important is the way the website appears when urls are entered. Is it possible not to remove the inner contents of the urls while converting the bare url to adored url like I do? Haoreima (talk) 15:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

it matters because your URLs are unstable and different people people get different results. The bot normalization guarantees that everyone gets the same final URL. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 15:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is my first time to know about that. Can you assure me by showing something because I want to confirm myself the very fact so that I may do better (nullify the instability) in future? Haoreima (talk) 15:49, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The biggest problem is when there is something after the # symbol. Sometimes is overrides the stuff before the # and sometimes it does not. That is why the bot rearranges the Google urls to remove the stuff after the # sign. The url will sometimes add the # when used, but that is not a problem. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But the bot is not removing # only. It's removing many other contents besides #. Haoreima (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please explain using some screenshots? Does putting "q" instead of "dq" solve everything? Haoreima (talk) 14:21, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

q and dq are different, sometimes one is right, sometimes the other is, but only one should be use. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:18, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I mean does replacing "q" for "dq" solve the issue? The bot removing the inner contents of the urls was an issue. Isn't it? Are these problems solved by your recent fixings/replacements? Haoreima (talk) 17:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Citation Bot[change source]

Hi I see you suggesting the bot to hit articles. It did not work correctly on Lawrence, Kansas as it changed a date that was not an access date or archive date it was a date about when the picture was taken and it turned it in |date=. Can you please verify it did what you intended to do or reverse it please? Thanks! PDL^{Talk to me!}_{OMG, What have I done?} 02:23, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I already fixed that a long time ago. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 21:52, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Am I using {{cbignore}} correctly?[change source]

I've been having some issues with HeLa, and I have realised that {{cbignore}} doesn't appear to work (or more likely, I'm not using it correctly). I think I placed it according to the instructions in the template documentation, but Citation Bot didn't seem to behave as intended. Did I stuff up somehow, or is this something else? Mako001 (C) (T) 04:00, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For some background, I had run the bot multiple times over some pages, as it seemed to take about 10 passes over an initial set of 3500 pages to eventually get down to only about 50-100 being modified on each run. Unfortunately, it modified HeLa every single time, and made a rather odd practice of adding "issue=0" and then reverting itself the next time it ran over the page. I don't really have an issue with it having trouble on 1 in over 3500 articles, but I don't understand why {{cbignore}} didn't seem to work. Mako001 (C) (T) 04:11, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will fix that zero bug. citation not has never used/supported cbignore. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have now fixed the bug. PubMed sends the issue as "0 0". AManWithNoPlan (talk) 13:41, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, cheerio. Mako001 (C) (T) 00:09, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bot error[change source]

I am pretty sure the bot is not supposed to do this:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mbuyisa_Makhubo&diff=prev&oldid=9382192 Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 07:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, also a side question. When I click on the link you created for me, I would like it to open the results in a new tab instead of the same tab so I don't have to go back. Is that possible? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 08:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

the bot error is surprising given the corrupted template to start with. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 12:02, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a new tab with the gadget method, I do not think that is possible based upon the Wiki API used. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 12:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok no worries on that part. Also, I wanted to ask, I thought the bot was supposed to correct things like improper all capitalization, is this still true? On a few articles I ran it on, it left all caps on the author information or on the title of articles. Or does it only do that for things it can process like the doi information, pmc, etc.?

Thanks again for helping me get it fixed so I can use it. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

it needs a doi, etc to fix that. I don’t remember if it fixes all caps authors, it does titles. If you post some articles names, I can look. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 16:30, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok I can look and send you in a couple hours as I need to run out and get to some meetings. Or if you wanted, you can look at my contributions and see what has happened.

I also noticed it does not do these (taking them from the approval)

Convert bare references to citation template based references (I have been trying to do it, but have had to use ReFill2)

I have more but just realized the time and need to run. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:44, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Convert bare references to citation template based references (I have been trying to do it, but have had to use ReFill2)" If fun in "fast" mode then that does not work, and also the Zotero server that the bot depends upon seems to be slow lately. ReFill actually does a bunch of URL stuff on its own outside of Zotero, but it also seriously lacks quality control checks and accepts a lot of data that the bot rejects. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:00, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I noticed that part. I have had to fix some of those errors it won’t fix either. I’m having an issue with scripts but last night I tried creating refs using the editor cite rife built in and when I put the url in for it to pull from and clicked the search button it did nothing. Does this rely on anything that may be broken by chance? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the built in thing also uses Zotero. AManWithNoPlan (talk) 17:30, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I figured as much based on what you said. I appreciate all the help. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]