User talk:Castilibrary2

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Your new articles[change source]

Thanks for all the new articles! I see that you plan to expand them soon, but could you at least put categories and biography stub tags on them? That would help a lot. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 05:28, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the categories on the new ones. Of course, I meant to add valid categories that we already have. It would also be helpful if you slow down creating these until you expand the existing ones. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Theo will be a great ambassador! It's good that you got a local. It'd be great if we could get a list of the pages that will be worked on, so that patrollers can ignore them for now and get back to them later... Would that be possible? I can get a partial list from the stubs that you created, but are there any the students might create themselves or any existing pages? Also, if editors are bothering your students over content opinions, you could try tagging the articles or their talk pages with {{class project|teacher=Castilibrary2|link=Wikipedia:Schools/Projects/Lesser Known Figures}} Osiris (talk) 04:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am very, very grateful to Theo, and very grateful to have someone close to our time zone. I have just added a list of the pages we will work on to the class pages. I will add a few more prior to class (tonight or tomorrow) and will reflect them on the class page, as well. For this class, I would like the students not to create any new pages themselves. I did add a tag at the top of each of these pages today, though I used
Looks great! Thanks for the list! :) Osiris (talk) 04:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your guidance[change source]

Thank you for your response. I am doing my best to navigate the categories, which are new to me, and am using the tree to look for appropriate ones. As "Category:Chinese history" seemed a bit broad, I tried to add "Category:Chinese inventors," which matched the format of other countries' inventor categories. Please let me know if this is inappropriate (I have more Chinese inventors that I need to go back and tag) and I will remove that tag.

Question about birth and death years, please. I noticed that it is common to tag birth and death years--should I only do that it a category for that year already exists?

About the stubs: I am preparing for a brief class with students on Wed., working with an ambassador. The individuals the teacher has selected (I am the librarian) are fairly obscure, but important figures in their times. The students are going to do a bit of research from pre-selected sources and flesh out these stubs. However, I do not want to have to teach them how to create pages, especially since we want to get them all categorized appropriately. Hence the stubs. They will all be populated on Wed. afternoon PST. Trying to get all in oder that needs to be done prior to that time.

Really appreciate your feedback, and working hard to learn all I need to do to carry this out within the editorial parameters and to help add to this wonderful resource! Thank you. --Castilibrary2 (talk) Castilibrary2 (talk) 15:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)Castilibrary2[reply]

Ah, I didn't know you were setting up a school project. You probably didn't know that we have a page where school projects can be listed. It's at Wikipedia:Schools/Projects. You could list your project there and put the school project banner on each of the pages you create. Normally we like the coordinators of these projects to be more familiar with the way we do things here before they try to guide others, but I guess it's too late for that.
I will answer more of your questions later today when I have more time and I can use a better browser. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
My ambassador just sent me the banner code. I am in the process of adding the banners, but was teaching all day and could not get to it. They will be there ASAP. Sorry for the difficulties. Also cleaning up categories as I can. Also, creating guidance doc for next year, and will fill in my knowledge before then.
Hi, sorry about the miscommunications. I am said ambassador, typically for the English Wikipedia, and was approached there to ambassador a school project (which I didn't know was on SEW until later). I didn't know that she was going to be creating articles in advance until she had already done so... Since it's such a brief project, I didn't feel that it warranted an entire project page (one afternoon). As far as categories go, Wikipedia:Category#Creating_new_categories is a useful resource -- in general, there's probably no need for a new category (just use existing ones). Auntof6, thanks for keeping an eye out. Theopolisme talk! 23:23, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

OK, comments and answers to more of your questions.

I'm sorry I didn't know the articles were for a class project. When we know that, we're not as quick to clean them up. We also don't like to see someone, especially a new editor, creating a lot of stubs in a short amount of time, but it makes sense for what you're doing.

Chinese history category: you wouldn't normally put articles about people in that category, so I changed it to "Chinese people" when I saw it.

Chinese inventors: we didn't have this category, so I was changing the articles to have "Chinese people" and "inventors" instead. I try to keep redlinked categories to a minimum here because I spent a lot of time cleaning up thousands of them that we had. Normally we want at least three articles in each new category, so when I saw that you had three under Chinese inventors, I defined the category and put it back on the articles.

Birth and death year categories should be put on every article that is about a person, even if the category doesn't exist yet. These are an exception to the rule about at least three entries, so these can be created even if there are only one or two entries. It would be great if you create them where they don't already exist: just be sure to use the standard template we use for them. However, if you don't want to create them, somebody (usually me!) will eventually find that they are redlinked and create them.

You might like to look at User:Auntof6/What to put in a biographical article. It's not a guideline, just a summary of good things to do with articles about people. You might find something helpful there.

Question: do your students know how to write Simple English? I'm talking about Simple English as defined by our guideline at Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages. It's ironic that Simple English is actually harder to write than regular English, and the people who are our target audience are less likely to be able to write it. It would probably help us a lot if your students are familiar with the guideline so they know what's expected here. They don't have to stick to the lists of simple words, but they should have enough knowledge of English to know what words are simple.

Good luck with the class, and let us know how it goes. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:53, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]


Thank you for all this great information. I will make sure that tonight (and over the next few days) I get all the categories in order.
I am going to be keeping an eye on the Simple part, and will talk to the students about it in my opening. Theopolisme kindly pointed out that Simple is a tall order for kids when I first made contact, but I was handed this project with certain parameters and the person who had taken care of many of the logistics in the past was gone-I will absolutely bring the concern about using SImple into the reflection before we pack the idea away until next year. If I need to take responsibility for more cleanup after, I will do so.
Also, I am sorry that I should have pointed out that I was creating stubs, but I thought it was better that I do it (and go through this cleanup process ahead of time) than having students do it willy-nilly.
Added class page Theopolisme talk! and Auntof6 talk!. It is at: Wikipedia:Schools/Projects/Lesser Known Figures

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References in your class's articles[change source]

When you have your class add references to articles, can you please have them make sure that there is a <references /> or {{reflist}} tag in the article? This will display the references. Right now, many of them are coming up with errors. See this one for example: https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Sahili&curid=427855&diff=4653765&oldid=4653749 I changed it so they'll come up now: https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al_Sahili&diff=4653796&oldid=4653793 Only (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

thanks, found that I missed one or two, and am adding them as I go. Will also double-check all as soon as class is over and fix any errors. Thank you!

duplicates[change source]

Hello Castilibrary2! You created the article Mae C Jemison. There is already an article about that astronout: Mae Jemison. It would be better to improve the old article than to create a second article. -- Reise Reise (talk) 08:53, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Same for Gertrude B Elion. There is already a short article: Gertrude B. Elion. -- Reise Reise (talk) 09:04, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So grateful! Changed our links. Reise Reise (talk) do you have page deletion authority to get rid of those extra pages, or should I contact an Ambassador? Thanks for catching that error! Castilibrary2 (talk) 18:05, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted those pages for you. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:13, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Female scientists project[change source]

Hi, Castilibrary2. I just wanted to let you know that I'm online right now in case there's anything I can help you with.

By the way, I noticed that your project page, Wikipedia:Schools/Projects/Notable Female Scientistis appears to have misspelled the word scientists. If you want, I can move that page to the correct spelling and change the banners that point to the current spelling. Let me know. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:36, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I did motice that I had misspelled it, but was not sure how to change the original title, so I went with it. Thank you so much for help. Also, we are now getting the (feared) note that our IP range had been blocked. Is that something you are able to help with, by any chance? Sorry for the challenges, and I appreciate your help. Thank you. Castilibrary2 (talk) 21:17, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You can change a page name by moving it. I just took care of that, and changed the spelling everywhere it was used.
As far as the IP messages, I'm sorry I didn't see this message until just now. Are you still getting the message about blocked IP ranges? I might be able to help if you can give me the exact message you're getting. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:32, 31 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much.
I was deep in the weeds of this project and was unable to respond to the question about blocking in a timely fashion. The blocking seemed to pop on and off. We managed to complete the project, however, and only I (and possibly another teacher or two) will be touching them from now on. So, we should be good to go.
Our gratitude to you is unmeasurable, for your guidance each year. Students were noticing your name and asking about you, and wanted me to pass on their thanks. This year, we got to put double the time into this project, and I think we can see the difference. Students felt actively empowered. Thank you.
You're welcome. If the project is finished, is it OK for others to edit the articles now? I had noticed a few things, but I was leaving them for the students. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:05, 1 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry about the global block - all accounts should now be exempt and able to continue editing. We would also welcome anyone from the project who would be interested in continuing to edit here.--Peterdownunder (talk) 22:42, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Peterdownunder (talk). Thank you for your help. As usual, I got sucked into my next project and am back a bit later to clean up. Quick clarification, please, when you have time. By "here" in "We would also welcome anyone from the project who would be interested in continuing to edit here" do you mean in the articles we worked on this time (I will be doing so, slowly over the next few weeks, although I am taking the class project template off today) or in SEW in general? That is: did we leave huge messes that need further help to be useful (as I mentioned, that is in the works) or are you suggesting that I possibly finally have enough experience to pay it forward? Or, do you want students to take on more editing (because I have ideas about that, as well)? Just trying to clarify your meaning so I respond with appropriate actions. Thank you. Again. As always!

Thank you for having the courage to try this. This is the first time I have seen students on Simple Wikipedia. These days they usually come in through WikiEd on the English Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Education_program I have to admit that I have found Simple to be less impersonal and much more welcoming to newcomers. By the way, if you add four tildes ~~~~at the end of your posts, it will automatically add your signature and a time stamp. I think what Peterdownunder means is that if your students want more practice with editing Wikipedia, they don't have to leave when the class is over, they are welcome to continue to edit here. Best of luck with the class. Neotarf (talk) 18:29, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Neotarf: Ah, forgot the tildes -- sorry! I do have the problem that I am on and off SEW. We are really excited to do this each year and hope to be raising strong young women editors. I am still trying to get this class repeated for them when they are older to reinforce. Castilibrary2 (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't mean to nitpick, but it does make the page easier to read, also it is easier to pick up editing tricks one at a time, as you have a use for it. Don't know how old your students are, but you may want to look at WikiEd's program and events dashboard, not sure if it is supported for Simple yet. https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/ If you do any amount of editing on enwiki, you may also be interested in the Wikipedia Weekly Facebook group, or connecting with one of the local groups in your area. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup There are many women now who will only edit enwiki as part of an organized in-person event. You may also be interested in Women in Red, which I believe is the most active WikiProject right now, so their information is kept up to date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red Their essay on writing biographies is particularly good, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Essays/Primer_for_creating_women%E2%80%99s_biographies but of course the Simple Wikipedia does things a little differently.Neotarf (talk) 20:32, 3 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back, and some comments on creating categories[change source]

Welcome back with your latest class project, Castilibrary2. I was patrolling new categories and saw some of the ones you created. Please note the following:

  • Capitalization in category names is not the same as capitalization of, for example, book titles. The only words that should be capitalized in a category name are proper nouns and the first word. (The same is true of other page names and for section names in articles.)
  • A category should have at least three entries put into it right away. If there aren't three ready to go into it, wait to create it until there are. The entries can be articles, templates, or other categories.
  • We don't categorize by gender as much as other wikis do. Generally, to categorize by gender, there should be a reason that gender is specifically relevant to the topic. Most topics don't need this categorization. Along these same lines, there is a note on Category:Women saying that the category is for articles about women in general, not articles about individual women.
  • Categories themselves need to be categorized.
  • Pages should not be categorized in more than one part of a branch of the category tree. For example, a person categorized as an American artist does not need to be categorized directly under artists.

Thanks. Feel free to ask if you have any questions. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:10, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I will get to work changing those today! Castilibrary2