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The Signpost: 1 March 2020[change source]

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chenzwbot false positive[change source]

https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Line_of_succession_to_the_British_throne&diff=next&oldid=6845204 Computer Fizz (talk) 02:42, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the report, I have added the edit to the bot's training dataset. Chenzw  Talk  02:44, 2 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2020-10[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Readers who were not logged in briefly saw the interface in a language decided by their browser. It should normally be in the language of the wiki. This happened for a short period of time last week. This was because of a bug. [1]

Changes later this week

  • If you forget your password you can ask for a new one to be sent to your email address. You need to know your email address or your username. You will now be able to choose that you need to enter both your email address and your username. This will be a preference. This is to get fewer password reset emails someone else asked for. [2]
  • When you asked for a new password you could see if the username didn't exist on Special:PasswordReset. Now the page will show the username you entered and tell you an email has been sent if the username exists. This is for better security. [3]
  • On Special:WhatLinksHere you can see what other pages link to a page. You can see if the link is from a redirect. You can now see which section the redirect links to. [4]
  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 March. It will be on all wikis from 5 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • The developers are working on a new interface to solve edit conflicts on talk pages. You can give feedback. [5]
  • There is a vote on the creation of a new user group called abuse filter manager. The vote runs from March 1 to March 31 on Meta.
  • Advanced item wgMFSpecialCaseMainPage was used for the mobile site. It was deprecated in 2017. It will stop working in April. Wikis should see if they use it. If they do they should fix it. You can read more and ask for help. This affects 183 wikis. There is a list. [6]

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00:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Page: Deep decision graph[change source]

Hello Chenzw,

The page "Deep decision graph" of our colleagues from Germany was deleted (Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2019/Decision stream).

But the request itself is incorrect. According to Wikipedia rules (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion - How an AfD discussion is closed): an admin who is uninvolved and has not participated in the deletion discussion will assess the discussion for consensus. Eptalon, who voted for deletion of article "Decision stream" from beginning, according to Wikipedia rules didn't have right to close/delete the article. So, deletion of page "Decision stream" contradicts the rules of Wikipedia. This is not just formally incorrect deletion - suspicious manipulations are performed during discussion: user Macdonald-ross voted for deletion twice, deletion is supported by anonymous user from spamming server 149.56.45.234, deletion of article is initiated from the fake account "ForgotMyPW"... Due to this unacceptable situation, could you please advice who from administrators of Simple Wikipedia has prevelages to withdraw the incorrect AFD decision (Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2019/Decision stream).

Mr Somogyi (talk) 09:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By the way, Zaxxon0 who asked you to delete page "Deep decision tree", is in the group voted for deletion (in Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2019/Decision stream).

Hi, please refer to the below:
  • You mentioned that the page originated from "our colleagues from Germany". Which organisation are you (and/or the authors) part of, and in what capacity are you and/or your colleagues contributing to Wikipedia? Per Wikipedia policy, all conflicts of interest must be declared by the involved editor(s).
  • What evidence do you have to support the allegation that ForgotMyPW is a "fake account"? Even if you can provide irrefutable evidence that this is a "fake account", the fact remains that other established editors have also voted in the RfD. "Fakeness" is not inheritable in this manner.
  • It is interesting that you mentioned the "suspicious manipulations" from the editors who voted for delete - I would like to point out, as an uninvolved administrator, that the RfD in question was also subjected to "suspicious manipulations" (as you put it) from editors who voted for "keep", too. There was this keep vote that was signed off by 38.133.200.29 but was actually made by 102.129.224.2 (as seen in page history). Wikipedia does not "glitch" in such a manner because the signature takes the form of the user who made the edit (in other words, what is recorded in page history). It is noteworthy that 102.129.224.2 is now part of a range block due to being an open proxy, and both IP addresses are not even in "neighboring states" - they resolve to totally different continents.
  • RfDs are closed not merely on a vote-counting basis - the final decision is a result of consensus and sound policy-based arguments (policy being Wikipedia policy). It is perfectly possible for a huge majority of ungrounded "keep" votes to be trumped by a comparatively smaller number of sound, policy-based votes for "delete".
  • In RfDs, articles are not kept/deleted on the basis of popularity. The guiding principle here is that article subjects must be notable - that is, they have received significant and independent coverage from reliable sources. For a start, the particular paper for this theory has barely any citations, suggesting that there has yet to be widespread acceptance/adoption of the algorithm in academia. The "keep" votes have not demonstrated that this requirement has been satisfied, instead alluding to arguments about supposed popularity and arguments to the effect of "I like it/it is useful to me". These are not valid policy-based votes in favour of keeping an article.
  • It is my judgement that the subject of the article, as highlighted by the editors voting for delete, does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability. While it may have been procedurally incorrect for Eptalon, as an editor who voted in the RfD, to also close an RfD that appeared to be controversial, the procedural error does not necessitate a reversal of the result. For the avoidance of doubt, I endorse Eptalon's closure of this RfD.
  • The deletion policy permits the deletion of articles that are "identical or similar" to pages that have already been discussed at an RfD. Note that this does not require the page title to be identical. The identity of the editor (Zaxxon0) who requested for the deletion of Deep decision tree is irrelevant.
  • Please address further appeals to Wikipedia:Deletion review. --Chenzw  Talk  14:05, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]


Thanks for the detail reply, Chenzw! I see your point of view. Mr Somogyi (talk) 14:32, 3 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Avee Player[change source]

My article Avee Player got deleted for CSD G11 why? 36.81.230.211 (talk) 13:06, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Advertising is not permitted on Wikipedia. Articles about software are accepted only if they have received significant coverage in independent and reliable sources. Chenzw  Talk  13:08, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FFT bin interpolation in Avee Player? i searched this on Google 36.81.230.211 (talk) 13:16, 9 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2020-11[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • There is a new search word called articletopic. You can use it to search for articles on a specific topic. It is available on the Arabic, Czech, English and Vietnamese Wikipedias. It will come to more Wikipedias soon. [7][8][9]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 March. It will be on all wikis from 12 March (calendar).

Future changes

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17:14, 9 March 2020 (UTC)

Avee Player[change source]

Can you create protect this page, it's always re-created then deleted. thanks --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 01:48, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Chenzwbot problem[change source]

I got an immediate Chenzwbot auto-revert on an edit to Trans woman...the only explanation being a number. The mention that trans women dislike their sexual orientation being perceived by others based on their biological bodies needs a mention of the converse dislike by homosexual biological women (attracted to female bodies) of demands that they see those with male genitalia as potential partners. Do you want me to reword things,or cite an source,or does the article only allow one side of the argument to be presented?--12.144.5.2 (talk) 02:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The bot reverts vandalism by evaluating characteristics of edits such as (but not including) length, word frequencies, proportion of characters, account age. It is not the job of the bot (nor was it designed to) make any judgement on content, unlike what you appear to be insinuating in "only allow one side of the argument to be presented". Statistically speaking, it is more likely for edits by anonymous editors using those kinds of words to commit vandalism, so that was unfortunately taken into consideration in the bot's algorithm. I have added your edit to the bot's training database to minimise future false positives, but also encourage you to create an account. From an editorial point of view, you might want to consider citing a source, too (though it's not mandatory). Chenzw  Talk  03:13, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
why don't we use cluebotNG here? --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 03:19, 10 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Thegooduser. Arthurfan828 (talk) 16:03, 17 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Denuvo[change source]

Given the 3 previous deletions for the same reason, you might consider protecting Denuvo from creation. --Izno (talk) 16:29, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Izno:en:Denuvo is a valid article, someone might want to create here. I guess?--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:31, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Camouflaged Mirage: Yes, it is a valid article, but the reason it is being created here is because editors can't vandalize the page there. It should be semi'd here or any higher level below full protection I might suggest. --Izno (talk) 16:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Izno: We had some productive IP users here, so we tend not to protect. I will try to create a stub to prevent recreation.--Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 16:35, 15 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2020-12[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

  • Advanced item There is a new API module for changing the content model of existing pages. Use action=changecontentmodel to specify the new model. You can read the documentation on mediawiki.org. [11]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 March. It will be on all wikis from 19 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • If you edit a page at the same time as someone else you can get an edit conflict. There is a new two-column interface to make it easier to solve this. It will soon be active by default on the German, Arabic, and Farsi Wikipedias. It will be on by default on more wikis within the next months. You will be able to opt out of the new interface. [12][13]
  • You can see a proposed design for replying to comments in an easier way.

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21:17, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

manga[change source]

Yes it is thanks! and it was Hian who joined not you (Chenzw), sorry for confusion --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 23:47, 24 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2020-13[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

  • Some development will be slower than planned. This is because of the current pandemic. You can see the new deployment guidelines. This is to avoid risks when some persons could be unavailable.
  • There was a problem when adding interwiki links. The tool you use to add interwiki links could suggest the wrong project to link to. This has now been fixed. [14][15]

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 March. It will be on all wikis from 26 March (calendar).

Future changes

  • There is a project to make editing easier for newcomers. The developers are trying to understand what initiatives different Wikipedias have to welcome newcomers. They also want to know which templates are often used for maintenance activities. You can help this project by checking if your wiki's pages are listed on Wikidata.

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17:07, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

The Signpost: 29 March 2020[change source]

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Tech News: 2020-14[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Changes later this week

  • Recurrent item The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 April. It will be on all wikis from 2 April (calendar).

Future changes

  • The video player will change to be simpler and more modern. The current beta feature will become the video player for everyone. The old player will be removed. [17]
  • There is a project to make templates easier to use. The next few weeks the developers will present ideas on the project page. You can watch that page if you are interested in giving feedback. [18]

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17:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

ChenwzBot accident[change source]

An anonymous user made 2 edits on the page Yesterday and ChenwzBot reverted the edit, while it was actually helpful. Arthurfan828 - CHAT 17:49, 31 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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