User talk:Davey2010/Archive 2020

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  • that comment there was not meant to be rude to you or anything, I am not trying to attack you. :) --Thegooduser Let's Talk! :) 🍁 20:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
Hi User:Thegooduser, No worries :), I didn't see the harm with the comment but meh, would rather not argue over it, Apologies for the edit summary, Happy editing. –Davey2010Talk 21:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Reverts on Mercy Edirisinghe

Hi there, I work as an editor on a popular movie database in Sri Lanka. You had recently reverted my edit on the late Mrs. Mercy Edirisinghe. I would like to know why you had reverted my edits. β€” Preceding unsigned comment added by Raptorz12 (talk β€’ contribs) 16:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Hi Raptorz12, Apologies for the long delay in getting back to you - I'm not all that active here, I reverted your additions as the EN article doesn't state her exact dob or death date ... whereas you were adding those to this article.... Please source these if adding them back, Thanks. –Davey2010Talk 17:00, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Priyanka

Hiya! Noticed you've mentioned you've copied the list from EN: List of Priyanka Chopra Jonas performances? Have you had a chance to take a look at: Wikipedia:How to copy from another Wikipedia. You may want to look into attribution so it doesn't get flagged for copyright. β€” Infogapp1 (talk) 13:00, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Hi Infogapp1, To be honest copyright isn't really a big deal here, I've used the "copied from EN" thing for years and no one's ever said anything about it, Unless I forget about it I 9 times out of 10 do create talkpages with Template:Enwp based however those never get updated if copying new content from EN,
Chances of being sued by 10-20 editors per content is slim to none and the chances of Wikimedia caring is again slim to none. Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 17:53, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
@Davey2010: I'm not sure "nobody will care about suing" is the best way to go about this, TBH. I understand it's easy to assume that since it's already available in another Wiki, it's just OK to copy and move it here (as I had exactly the same impression as well). But maybe it'd be helpful to get some clarity from others and see what @Operator873: and @ImprovedWikiImprovment: think is a fair game for it? Thank you. --Infogapp1 (talk) 18:51, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm not going through the palaver of grabbing diffs everytime I paste content nor am I going to go through the palaver of updating the talkpages each time I paste content.
If people are going to expect me to waste my time doing all of this then I simply wont bother updating articles anymore and as such they can remain out of date. Entirely up to you. –Davey2010Talk 20:24, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 (change conflict) Copyright is a big deal. The licence used for Wikipedia requires attribution; you must attribute the source, or your article may be deleted under G12. Your final comment is absurd, and regardless of your beliefs on copyright, you must follow our policies. It is not up to Infogapp1, as you said; it is in fact up to you on whether you want to follow Wikipedia's policies or not. IWI (chat) 20:30, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
ImprovedWikiImprovment - The talkpages all have attributions which is fine, Okay that's fine, I'll simply stop pasting content and as such articles can now remain outdated. Fine by me, –Davey2010Talk 20:38, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
A fairly childish approach. You could instead just choose to attribute the source, even if it's in the edit summary. I really don't see why you should choose to not contribute anymore because of this. IWI (chat) 20:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Because that's above my pay grade. I certainly have no issues with grabbing the diff for talkpages but to grab a diff on a daily basis is ridiculous even more so when Simple barely gets any visitors as it is. If this wiki was as big as EN and appeared on Google searches sure I'd care a lot more .... but given it's size etc I simply object to putting more effort here than I have too.
Copyright is a big deal sure but A) others editors do exactly what I do (not an excuse) and B) no one has ever told me in the 3-4 years of being here leading me to believe it;s not a big issue at all. –Davey2010Talk 20:47, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Well it is policy. You must attribute the source for copyright reasons. Both of your arguments are like en:WP:OSE in reality, as this is policy that should be followed regardless of whether anyone has told you or what anyone else does. Articles that violate the policy can be deleted and users who continue to violate such polices can be blocked in the most serious cases. I'm sure the community would back me in the opinion that it is in fact a big deal, regardless of how many viewers we have. I don't think this is something that should make you leave the project, but that is your choice. IWI (chat) 20:55, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Not to sound funny but if it was a big deal someone would've told me much much sooner, You've just lost a valued editor so congratulations, Good luck keeping articles here updated!. –Davey2010Talk 20:59, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
This is unfortunate, but your choice either way. I hope you decide to return. IWI (chat) 21:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Davey2010 - I didn't intend to nitpick on your work, and I only saw it because I was looking at New changes. Now, I believe you don't have to update the attribution all the time. But only once - when and where you copied it from. It's a bit of a nuisance if you think about it. In fact, I too was a little confused at first. But then, my preference and my opinion do not matter. I believe we're all here to contribute productively and uphold the community policies/guidelines. This is to avoid any potential headache that may arise from copying the information from other places. I only mentioned it, not to be a pain to anyone. Hoping we can get it all resolved, without necessarily offending and be offended by, anyone in the process. --Infogapp1 (talk) 21:08, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Hi Infogapp1, ImprovedWikiImprovment has stated content pasted needs to have a diff in the edit summary each and every time updated content is pasted .... I simply refuse to do that each and every time I want to update an article.
Oh well, Happy editing to you both. –Davey2010Talk 21:14, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

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@Infogapp1: @ImprovedWikiImprovment: Davey2010 - I was pinged here so I'll inject my thoughts here. A brief preface: this response is likely to annoy all involved. Now, to the chase. Attribution, according to the guide requires use of a transwiki attribution templates to be used. While I may not be so suited to comment on behalf of all SEWP sysops, I personally generally refer to the "where and when" requirement. I, myself, have translated articles and just included "from the enwiki article" or "importing _____ from the enwiki article" as an edit summary. I certainly don't go patrolling edits to split hairs about which template was or wasn't used so long as the contribution to the project is constructive, expands the project, and at least attempts to simplify the English contained in the article. I find no fault with Davey2010's recent contributions. I believe I have on a few occasions asked Infogapp1 and ImprovedWikiImprovment both to simplify their imports with the former being the more recent. Davey2010, on the other hand, is someone who intends to help this project and is a respected member of other communities. I believe it's all quite common knowledge that Simple English Wikipedia is difficult to adjust to. Not too long ago, when I was new here, it took me time to adjust as well. Since my opinion was requested, I find all three parties eager to expand a small but steadily growing project. I also find, while the black and white of the written guide spells out one thing, we should remember as Wikipedians we are encouraged to be BOLD and bend or even ignore the rules when the occasion calls for it. I think when the tension got too intense, all involved would have done well to take a step back and remember we are all on the same team here.

I apologize to Davey2010 that this situation got out of hand and definitely could have been handled with a bit more finesse. I'd ask for Davey2010 to reconsider his retirement here and re-approach this discussion. To Infogapp1 and ImprovedWikiImprovment, I thank them for their enthusiastic desire to grow and protect the project. I also think a lesson on shades of gray can be learned here. I think all parties should also be reminded to AGF in all circumstances. We can and do sometimes get weary of those accounts which copy/paste for the sake of copying and pasting and outright, blatant copyvio issues. But, we cannot let that fatigue wash onto editors that are earnestly trying to help.

I'd consider all three involved parties here essential members of the community who've done great work on and for the project. I'm sorry I was late responding to the ping, but as always, I can be reached on IRC or Discord or by private email if any involved party wishes to communicate with me privately about what I've said here. Thank you all for being outstanding Wikipedians. Operator873talkconnect 01:31, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

@Operator873: I, too, see no fault in Davey's recent contributions. I was responding to his assertion that "copyright isn't really a big deal here", which I had to correct. I noticed Davey has put a Wikibreak enforcer in his common.js file with a 100 year expiry, and thus won't be able to answer any more comments here. This is the second overreaction that Davey has asserted towards me, with this one causing Davey to leave the project. I would say that this time is difficult for all of us with the pandemic, and things can feel a bit tense at the moment. Perhaps this has a part to play, I don't know. I hope Davey returns to us in the future. IWI (chat) 01:47, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
  • ImprovedWikiImprovment Operator873 Hi all, Apologies for leaving the way I did, Unfortunately without going into detail the pandemic really has affected me mentally, Being couped up in a house for over 5 months really doesn't do your mental health any good at all!, I've only (as of yesterday) started going for walks again - something I use to do a lot of,
Anyway thank you Operator873 for your well-thought comment, I certainly agree we're all here to help the project but I guess we all help in different ways,
Without sounding like a broken record I thought (and still do) think "Copied from EN" is sufficient, I've used that since 2017 and FWIW 1 admin uses "based on en.wiki" frequently and another in 2010 (before they were admin) used to use "expanding from En" (I'm not naming them) so atleast as far as I'm aware as long as you added the diff to the talkpage upon article creation and credited EN when copying content then both of these were considered fine?,
In my eyes it seems a lot of hassle grabbing diffs, using diffs in edit summaries and updating talkpages with diffs ... all of the sake of updating the content for our readers...
there's also the case of at times when I copy something it doesn't copy ... so I could end up pasting (like I did at EN years ago) someones email address in 3 different edit summaries .... so if copy/paste fails I would then need to go back to the EN article, grab the diff again and then repeat everything again .... again way too much hassle for the absolute sake of updating content - Whereas to grab "Copied from EN" alls I need to do is type "C" in the edit summary and "Copied from EN" comes up as a suggestion.... Easy as pie and quite obviously less hassle.
Anyway Operator873 is "copied from EN" sufficient and should you use the whole diff thing only if you want too ?, Apologies for waffling on, Thanks, Kind Regards, –Davey2010Talk 11:07, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi and welcome back. I won’t comment any further on the copyright issue, but as I mentioned above, I understand this time is difficult for all of us. Nobody is really them-self at the moment. I’m sorry if I upset you in any way with my comments and I am glad you are back :) --IWI (talk) 11:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi IWI, I completely agree with you no one's the same right now, Truth be told I'm a big kid when it comes to Christmas but this year I'm just not looking forward to it - Would rather have the year over with tbh,
No worries all's forgiven :) and I'm sorry if I had upset you with my comments - I'm not usually a grumpy person but again .... Anyway thanks so much means a lot and thank you for taking the time to comment here that means a lot too, Take care and stay safe IWI, Thanks, Regards, –Davey2010Talk 11:37, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
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Davey2010 I linked the guide above and also stated what I personally do when importing/translating pages (just say from enwiki article or etc). Even though it'd be pretty cool to have a Judge's robe on here, I'm no judge. Just a friendly neighborhood sysop. I can't make policy changes or interpret the 'rule' and make it 'law'. That's for the community to do. Again though, I would find nothing wrong with an editor doing as I do. Operator873talkconnect 15:17, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Hey Operator873, Oops so you did :), Well if you were a judge you'd make a pretty damn good one :), Anyway many thanks again for your much valued help and input! :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 17:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)