User talk:Deborahjay

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Welcome to my User Talk page!

If you write me a message here, please sign it by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end.
Thanks! -- Deborahjay

Welcome[change source]

Hello, Deborahjay, and welcome to the Simple English Wikipedia! I hope you will be happy helping here. You should begin by reading these pages: Wikipedia:Useful, Help:Contents, Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, and how to write Simple English articles. If you want some ideas of which pages to work on, read Wikipedia:Requested articles or the list of wanted pages.

Even though it is a good idea to research an article (like looking at the discussion page) before making large changes, please be bold and try! Any changes you make that are not perfect can be fixed later. We are also working most on core articles and the most common topics until this Wikipedia grows.

If you want to ask a question or talk with other members, you can visit our version of the "village pump" at Wikipedia:Simple talk. Administrators on Wikipedia can also help you with more difficult problems. You can also ask me for help. The best way to do that is to leave a message on my talk page. You should always sign your messages on Talk pages by typing "~~~~" (four tildes) at the end of your words.

Good luck and happy editing! --§ Alastor Moody (T + C) 04:16, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Welcome, and request[change source]

Hello Deborahjay, and welcome to SimpleWP. A very long time ago, I have done an article about halal. It basically covers the kind of food that can be eaten by Muslims, according to their rules. With Kashrut, the Jews seem to have dietary laws which are very similar. This is no wonder, since the source is the same. I have written a stub about it. Could you correct and append it, in simple language, if you have the time, please? --Eptalon 23:26, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Replied on Eptalon's User talk page -- Deborahjay 22:38, 18 June 2007 (UTC).

Reporting vandalism[change source]

The usual place to report vandalism is The Vandalism in progress page.This page can be reached with WP:VIP. You should also give warnings to the user in question. There are templates test1,test2a,test2,test3,test4, lastwarn. Normally a block occurs after two warnings have been given. Please remember that unnamed users may change, so even if you see that someone has already been warned, please do so again. --Eptalon 00:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Becoming a responsible Wikipedian[change source]

Hello again, Deborahjay. It is good that you learn how to use the tools at your disposal. At the moment, there are between 20 and 30 (non-vandal) editors here. By my definition, an editor contributes (edits) at least once a week. This edit is not related to fighting vandalism, or doing administration jobs. I would say once every two or three days, there is a hard-core vandal, which gets at least a temporary ban. It is important to report such people to WP:VIP, because vandal edits can be hard to spot An edit from today. It is therefore important to report such incidents (after the warnings have been given) to WP:VIP. Administrators are pretty well spread across the globe, so it should not take longer than about half a day to get someone blocked. My first-time blocks are one day, and increase (with repeat offenders).

Other than that, this Wikipedia is in need of regular editors; so please improve the articles you find interesting; Also do not hesitate to create new ones (of your favorite subjects). I think the Israeli/Jewish perspective is mostly lacking in this wikipedia...

In short, have fun editing. --Eptalon 21:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

@Eptalon: I'd like you to know that I take your encouragement to heart - and I'm enthusiastic for the opportunity to make good on my potential, now that I've retired and am easing out of freelance work. (See the following section for previews.) -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 19:22, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata links[change source]

Hi, Deborahjay. Thanks for working on linking Simple English pages in Wikidata. Please be sure that the links you make are an exact match -- not necessarily in words, but in meaning -- and be aware that sometimes there is no match for a page or category. For example, you added our category Category:German generals of World War II to the Wikidata item for German military leaders of World War II. That is not a match, because there are military leaders that are not generals. The enwiki category contains entries for admirals, military governors, and others besides generals.

Thanks, and feel free to ask any questions you have. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:34, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, @Auntof6: (...and I love your User name!) I'm so glad you got back to me on the above recent mislink on my part, which prompts me to raise my considerations on Category talk:German generals of World War II (soon...). I want you to know that I'm a dedicated proponent of linking simplewiki pages to Wikidata, most significantly as it enables access for nonnative readers of English to locate links to other languages they might read more easily without having to know the exact page name. Being an immigrant myself to the country reputed to have the world's highest literacy rate if counting immigrants' native languages, and having translated/edited/written content for the website of a historical museum and archives, I'm glad to show up here to make a difference. At this stage I'm not up to creating new pages, rather preferring to work spontaneously via "show any page" to discover topics on which I can expand, and, of course, clean up and format. See, it's only taken me ca. 10.25 years (!) to get make good on what User:Eptalon suggested (above) in User talk:Deborahjay#Becoming a responsible Wikipedian! Please do feel free to contact me with any advice you might provide to get me up to speed here. -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 19:15, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

Avoiding frustration by using a sandbox[change source]

Hi Deborahjay, and thanks for your edits so far. I read a comment you made about the frustration of having an article you had been working on deleted. This has happened to us all at different times, so there are a couple of things to remember. There is a copy of every page, and every edit made to it. Any version of a page can be restored by an admin quite easily. This means that your contributions are not lost or wasted. Rewriting a page in Simple English is not easy, and it can take time. I like to do a bit, leave it, come back and rewrite several times. To avoid it being deleted during this process, I can put an inuse tag on the page; this is best when you can do all the edits in one session. What if it is going to take a couple of days, or longer? The answer is to create the page in a sandbox. See: Wikipedia:Sandbox This is a private space where you can edit without interference for as long as you like. When the page is ready, it gets moved into the main space. Hope this helps, the goal is to make everyone's contributions to be made without frustration and be a positive experience. Don't hesitate to ask questions, and keep on editing :) --Peterdownunder (talk) 11:37, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

@Peterdownunder:, thanks for your thoughtful and informative comment - only I'm quite unsure it's intended for me. (Perhaps you can recall which page triggered your response?) I generally -- over 11 years and 22K edits across 60 projects - don't create pages. Here at simplewp I'm working through the Special pages#Pages not connected to items, by wikifying and adding the appropriate templates and categories, etc. These past four months I've largely undertaken maintenance work at the Zulu Wikipedia which has no Admins and only one or two occasional editors who speak the language (as I don't). Plus a lot at Wikidata, including some experience at patrolling vandalism. When I do start creating pages here at simplewp, I intend to start with notable content pages from the main WP, edited to simplify (and then translate to Zulu). I appreciate your work and that of other Admins. Keep it up! -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Dawn Redwood[change source]

Hello, Deborahjay; Dawn Redwood looks like a living fossil. It only occurs in remote areas of Asis, which are difficult to access, and it looks like it was only discovered in 1941. Anyway, thanks for thanking me. --Eptalon (talk) 21:57, 27 November 2017 (UTC)

Deletion request for Morning, Mandela[change source]

Hi, Deborah. I noticed that Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2017/Morning, Mandela wasn't included at Wikipedia:Requests for deletion, so I added it for you. When you create an RfD, you need to add the request to the RfD page and be sure you notify the page creator. Please do that notification: Wikipedia:Requests for deletion has instructions on how to do that under "Notifying the user".

I don't know if you use Twinkle, but the Twinkle RfD function takes care of all that for you. Let me know if you have any questions about this. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:49, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Johnny Gosch[change source]

Just wanted to let you know: Gosh has an article on enwp (en:Johnny Gosch, so I think criterion A4 does not apply. I have however put the article up for deletion. If you think it is worhy of keping, we probably need a little copyediting. --Eptalon (talk) 20:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

I need your help in labeling![change source]

ORES needs many edits to be classified, so please go here to help. Thank's, Adotchar| reply here 22:46, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm fine with helping out. My strength is fast reading and typing, but my limited knowledge of some functions appearing in the edits makes it difficult-to-impossible for me to evaluate them. E.g. changes to Infobox syntax; addition of a </nowiki> closing HTML tag for what reason I don't know, etc. It took me a few worksets to figure out (? but did I get it right?) that I'm required to evaluate both non/damage and good/bad faith - then mark UNSURE. What happens then? Maybe I'll catch you again on IRC or you can explain it here... or send me to a tutorial or ORES guidelines. -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Since it seems evident you don't know wikitext, you can help, just don't answer the ones that are all wikitext syntax changes. Thank's, Adotchar| reply here 12:35, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
Here are some examples from today (four worksets) I may have mishandled:
  • On one for User:Cyberbot I/Run/Datefixer, I omitted answering by choosing the next one up (i.e., clicked on the empty rectangle to the right of the one I was on). Is that the right/best way? Before this discussion with you, I gave any edit by a Bot "Not damaging/good faith" with Save/next.
  • There have been a number of edits on topics outside my field of knowledge, where I can't tell whether the change is authentic info or misinformation. Realizing we're not (?) expected to vet info, I went with my gut (Not damaging/Good faith) but checked UNSURE. What's the way to handle these?
Just to mention: Due to personal sensitivities, I have a limit of exposure to bad-faith edits before I have to walk away. Still, you can count on me for several sets a day to help move the project forward.
Hi Deborahjay. You did fine by skipping an edit that you're not sure about. Eventually, the system will note that you have a task you didn't label and it will re-claim it for someone else to label. Alternatively, you can click the red "skip" button on the item and it will be returned immediately.
Similarly, you've done the right thing with evaluating based on a best effort with regards to the information. ORES will never be able to directly vet the material. Really, we're training it to replicate your judgement, so your best effort is as good as we'll ever get with this type of AI. :) --Halfak (WMF) (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

QD-G4[change source]

Just FYI, this QD option applies to pages that we're deleted at RFD, not by QD. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 18:28, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Hmm, this may be a repeat offense on my part. Thanks, @Auntof6:, I'll remember for next time... but is there any mechanism related to multiple re-creates of QD'd pages? I happen to have an exceptionally acute sense of recognition/recall on reoccurring names in the short term (days and weeks, at least), and thought it might be useful. -- Deborahjay (talk) 18:34, 12 December 2017 (UTC)
The options for that are to either ask for salting for a time (if the page has been recreated often enough) or to take the page to RfD so that you get the precedent of being deleted via RfD. I'd lean toward salting even though it's not permanent, because nothing prevents recreation after an RfD. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Voov[change source]

Hi Deborahjay, I have denied the QD on Voov, as it definitely exists, so can not be hoax. I have opened an Rfd to discuss whether it is notable. You may wish to add your concerns to the discussion.--Peterdownunder (talk) 20:53, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Improve articles[change source]

Hello, sir, can by Adding More Details abot Television shows

Please improve it soon. Thanks. Ladchad (wiki) (talk) 14:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

@Ladchad (wiki): - Here you have listed some of the new pages created in this Wikipedia about Hindi-language television programs in India. These pages have only one sentence - but:
  • no references / no categories / no link to the Wikidata data base
I wrote to two of those page creators and now to you: so that these pages are proper and don't get deleted - they need more content. I did this for Piyaa Albela by taking content from the English Wikipedia page including references - made the English simple - made sure to use categories that exist in the Simple Wikipedia. Whatever is a "red link" has no page in the Simple Wikipedia. Look above where I gave a link to the English Wikipedia articles for these pages needing more content, categories, etc. I created a new Category:Hindi-language television series and you need to improve the pages you create. Thank you -- 15:41, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Pinging[change source]

About this edit: pings work only when you add a signature in the same edit as the ping, so I suspect that the ping didn't work. Just FYI. :) --Auntof6 (talk) 18:29, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Improve an Article[change source]

Hello, sir ... I want help can please improve Kasamh Se this article Thank You. Life(wik) (talk) 05:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

User @Life(wik): - no, maybe it's User @Wiki Back: who created the Kasamh Se page - I can understand that you "want help" because you do very little when you create a new page here on the Simple English WP. A title and a single line of text - no references - on a topic you think is important, so where is the rest of the new page? You then ask someone like me to do the work? This is unreasonable. -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:00, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

Pothole (landform)[change source]

The edit summary for your change to this article says "content from enwp; unlink red links and simplify". However, it is not simplified enough from the enwiki version. If you are planning to simplify it, you might want to put a {{simplifying}} template on it so that your changes don't get reverted right away.away

As for the "unlink red links" part, be aware that we discourage unlinking things just because the links are red. See WP:REDLINK for more info on this. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:15, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for these points, @Auntof6:. This is my first attempt at simplifying an entire enwp article. I'd much appreciate your review of that page while I take a breakfast break; it's the weekend here already. I tried to leave the geological terms and descriptions with parenthetical glosses to explain. I also want to leave a Sourced from enwp comment on the Talk page but can't remember where it is. -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
I might be able to get to that later today: right now it's the wee hours of the morning and I need to get some sleep. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:22, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
Indeed! (and here I'd been thinking you were among us anglophones on the east side of The Pond, though not as far east as I). -- Deborahjay (talk) 10:35, 29 December 2017 (UTC)

I made a first pass at simplifying the intro. Take a look at what I did and ask any questions you have. Then you can give it a try yourself. If you're not going to get to it fairly soon, how about if I userfy it for you? --Auntof6 (talk) 04:10, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Scott Vickaryous[change source]

Yeah that editor is a long time abuser/sock puppeteer here and on So we delete his creations on sight, even though they are likely notable people based on articles. At first I just imported the English articles to try and stop the nonsense but it just encouraged him so now its just playing wack a mole. -DJSasso (talk) 16:43, 4 January 2018 (UTC)

Helping[change source]

Hi, Deborahjay. Thanks for volunteering to help Angela. Just to give you some background, I've been trying to help her learn how to write simple language herself rather than making changes for her. If you do make changes yourself, please be sure not to make the text more complex. As someone who has done editing, I know that can be tricky when working here, because there are different requirements than there are with normal editing. I think the change I just saw you make did add some complexity. For example, the words offer and reject could probably be replaced with simpler ones, and at least one sentence could be divided into shorter ones. If you haven't already read Wikipedia:How to write Simple English pages, you might like to look at it for more specifics. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Advanced science[change source]

Most users who read pages on advanced science are not beginners, but probably more likely older foreign language students. By checking with the parallel En wiki title one can usually see that our pages is already considerably simplified, I think. Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

@Macdonald-ross:, thank you for this explanation. I came upon Pulsar via "Show any page" which is my present channel for identifying pages I can improve. Here I focused on language rather than content:
  • to introduce the term "rotation" with a parenthetical gloss of "spin" that's used throughout the page.
  • For a section heading, "Types" is a more scientific term than "Kinds", without sacrificing simplicity.
Would you agree to these? Otherwise, I take your point and will probably restrict my science efforts to fields in which I have a better knowledge base, e.g. Biology. -- Deborahjay (talk) 12:23, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

Help with article on which I'm working[change source]

Hey Deborah: Could you help me with the article User:September 1988/Medical marijuana, 'cause I'm having trouble deciding which words should be simplified. Angela Maureen (talk) 01:17, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Angela (@September 1988:) - it looks like I'll have to study the Basic English word lists to make helpful changes, also possibly breaking up long sentences. I think the page might benefit by importing the section headings and adding some info under each one. What do you think of that idea? Maybe that could be a later step. Just now I made one fix and then updated the Talk page. I'm working a lot of overtime till mid-March, so I'll only get back to the Simple WP after that. Keep up the good work! -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 12:38, 6 March 2018 (UTC)