User talk:Drug Equality

Nigos

What is the issue here, I am a lawyer and I am correcting legal errors not disrupting. Drug Equality (talk) 06:43, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I agree with most of your edits, and have restored some of them. You are welcome to edit here. 06:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Sorry Nigos (talk · contribs) 10:58, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Note

A few things. Firstly, please ensure your contributions are in Simple English. See WP:HOW. Also, please ensure your edits do not promote the use of controlled substances. I reverted your edit on the article about controlled drugs for both of those reasons. Regards, Vermont (talk) 21:41, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Complete misunderstanding

1. As I have made v clear, there is no such legal construct as ‘illegal’ substances; the very idea dehumanises the legal subject, legality can only vest in actions not objects.

2. At no time have I encouraged the use of drugs and even if benefits were highlighted that would not be grounds to remove my edits. Drug Equality (talk) 22:40, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I'm not here to have a legal argument with you. Your additions to this article are disruptive and misleading. Vermont (talk) 05:36, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Please do not add your own comments, thoughts and views to Wikipedia articles. Doing so is against Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and is not formal enough for an encyclopedia. Thank you. Zaxxon0 (talk) 23:18, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

Legally correct

Whoever thinks my contributions are incorrect must be specific; they are in fact 100% accurate. Drug Equality (talk) 08:23, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Your edits are disruptive. Please refrain from editing the article on illegal drugs or similar subjects in that manner. Your additions seem to claim that no drugs are illegal, or that you're simply annoyed that "illegal drugs" isn't a legal term. Not everything here is an (American?) legal term. On drugs that are illegal to possess, it is rational to refer to them as illegal drugs. Vermont (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you breach Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy by putting your own comments, thoughts and views into an article, you will be blocked from changing pages on Wikipedia. Zaxxon0 (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Its not my view, its legal fact.

Oh come on, Im sick of this, how many times, ‘illegal’ drugs is an offensive lie Drug Equality (talk) 15:52, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Drugs that are prohibited by law = illegal drugs. Vermont (talk) 16:40, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Wrong

No we are ‘controlled’ with respect to drugs, there must be scope for regulations re ‘controlled drugs’ - ‘illegal’ drugs is an agency denying propagandist myth. Drug Equality (talk) 17:17, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Note

Hello, do note a topic ban proposal is about you is being discussed over at WP:ST. If you have any views you wish to add, please do so there (after your block ended), if not, please leave your thoughts here and I am happy to copy over. Regards,--Cohaf (talk) 06:53, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Discuss ban

Please email darryl@drugequality.org

I am a UK lawyer and drug policy expert. I want to improve Wikipedia in this area Drug Equality (talk) 08:35, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Details of my position

It is with some dismay I read the administrators discussion about my attempt to correct the page on so-called illegal drugs. Firstly I am a lawyer with expertise in this area and I know exactly what I’m talking about. The drugs page is misinformation very badly prepared. The concept of legality obviously is a legal construct, and nowhere in any proper legal textbook or law will you find reference to so-called illegal drugs. This is a highly offensive construct that is a prohibitionist dream. Basically it is based on a figure of speech called a transferred epithet. This reverses the subject and object, for example everyone knows that a disabled toilets is not really a toilet non functioning but a toilet for a disabled person. The problem arises when you do this with law, so a drug that is illegal to possess without authorisation authority or exemption becomes known as an illegal drug. However this binary obstruction removes all the regulatory potential from the true descriptor which is a controlled drug. Quite literally we have been cut out of the equation by the miss use of common parlance in legal discourse, you must realise of course that law is made of words. The problem arises when you do this with law, so a drug that is illegal to possess without authorisation authority or exemption becomes known as an illegal drug. However this binary obstruction removes all the regulatory potential from the true descriptor which is a controlled drug. Quite literally we have been cut out of the equation by the miss use of common parlance in legal discourse, you must realise of course that law is made of words Drug Equality (talk) 08:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Hello there, thank you for contributing, and trying to make this wikipedia better. Yes, we do have several problems: Firstly that of "legality": While you can walk into a coffee shop in the Netherlands, and buy a joint (or other Cannabis-related product), to consume on premise, owning such a drug will get you a prison term or even the death penalty in many Arabic or Asian countrires. While cocaine is used mostly as a "recreational drug", when I was in hospital the last time, a person next to me, had been prescribed Cocaine as a drug. In most parts of the world, you can drink as much alcohol as you like, without people caring, if you are adult, and don't endanger others... Secondly, we have the problem that this is Simple English Wikipedia, so we need to be careful to explain things well, and to avoid complex wording (which in most cases means more description). I am aware the term "Illegal drugs" is probably badly chosen, but so far we have not come up with a better one. Moving an article to a better name, can easily be done. If we go about this with a plan, we may end up with a better solution. --Eptalon (talk) 08:57, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Plain English

Firstly sorry for the slightly jumbled up messages that I’m leaving I am working on a mobile phone and I’m quite busy. I am happy to try and do this clearly and as I’ve said before the correct term is not illegal drugs but controlled drugs. I don’t think your point about the legality of people with respect to drugs in different countries is quite the point, I am not suggesting for a moment that because the name illegal drugs is incorrect that it is lawful for people without authority to go around possessing or supplying controlled drugs. That is not the point at all, the point is that in order to understand drug policy and to be able to advocate a better form of regulation, one must interact with the law correctly. That is because the constructs of illegal drugs (which do not exist in any law) is a binary edifice indivisible & impersonal Drug Equality (talk) 09:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

August 2019

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Unblock please

This is turning into a farce, how can you justify banning me for having a legal organisation dedicated to having a neutral fair equal and proportionate drug policy? This is making Wikipedia sound like a fascist or pious religious organisation. Drug Equality (talk) 16:27, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Is "Drug Equality" an organization you represent here? Has more than one person been using this account? Vermont (talk) 17:46, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@Vermont: He posted the contact email "darryl@drugequality.org" above which leads me to think that the organization is being run by multiple people but this account is only one person. Laptop Fizz (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

DEA

This group is now administered by myself only although historically there was another contributor. I am a qualified uk lawyer. I am not encouraging drug use. I am not commercial or making any money. I am not political but am supporting the rule of law and equal treatment. Drug Equality (talk) 18:18, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Is your "group" devoted to contributing to wiki pages about drug equality? I am unclear as to what you mean. Examknow^talk 18:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

I also see you have several warnings about violating the neutral point of view policy which can also cause a block from editing. I know I am not an admin yet but I am just trying to help you know why you were blocked so we can fix it. Examknow^talk 18:26, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

@Drug Equality: These organizational edits still violate WP policy, editing here is to create an encyclopedia not to promote free drug usage. it's important to keep a neutral point which you fail to do and the entire purpose of your account seems to be the opposite of that. Also, you are making money, or are at least trying to. What is this otherwise? Laptop Fizz (talk) 02:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Neutrality

I am not sure how one can be entirely neutral about the devastation caused by the so-called ‘war on drugs’ but actually I really do take a neutral position based on equality. Please point to any bias you have seen in my posts. Drug Equality (talk) 18:31, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

You must change your username as your current one is against policy. Please review our WP:Username policy and pick another username. I can help your account be renamed if you would so prefer. Best regards, Vermont (talk) 18:57, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Names

I dont mind using my own name, is that OK? Drug Equality (talk) 19:02, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

You can request a rename here, but keep in mind as i cannot unblock people i can't guarantee renaming your account will give you free reign. Laptop Fizz (talk) 03:03, 2 August 2019 (UTC)