User talk:Osiris/February 2014

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Moscow Urban Forum

Hi. why the Russian link of the article is did not showing ?. =>>> ru:Московский урбанистический форум . i think in Wikidata there is another link in Arabic for this article. פארוק (talk) 10:16, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

It's on Wikidata now, so the link should show up. You can connect the Arabic article in the same way. Just follow the steps on d:Help:Linking Wikipedia pages. Osiris (talk) 15:43, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you ! . פארוק (talk) 19:30, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Good source?

Hey, Osiris. Would this source be a good reference for a DYK hook about Pete Seeger being a communist --> [1] or this one --> [2]? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:57, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

The second one is an editorial, but first one might be okay. What is the hook though? Is it just going to say he was a communist? You'd have to be pretty careful with it, because the subject still comes under WP:BLP given that he's only recently deceased. Osiris (talk) 02:56, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
How about know? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:42, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Antithesis to simple

Can I state that I think that this article merger is the complete antithesis to simple. There should be two simple articles, and that merger does not create anything simple. The simple test of "can a child read and understand" for the new article would be NO. Could they read the previous article, YES. I see this as a growing trend to replicate enWP, and it is a right shame and loss of what I believed was the strategic position of simpleWP. Billinghurst (talk) 02:43, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello, Billinghurst. Thank you for the feedback. My general thinking behind merging these two was not to replicate the English Wikipedia article, but to encourage it to be translated properly. The content on H-field had been more or less copied from two paragraphs in the middle of en:Magnetic field. We had a discussion a couple of years ago about what to do with articles added by this particular user, many were deleted soon after and several have been deleted on similar grounds since then. The content on H-field was, to me, quite obviously not simplified enough and, because it was taken from a section of a complete article, it contained a number of concepts that were not explained on the page. But, in this case, I chose to merge instead of delete because it was about an aspect of magnetic fields anyway, Magnetic field was already marked as needing to be simplified and it helped explain some of the concepts mentioned on the other page. My hope was that an editor might come along and use the material to properly simplify the whole subject. If the best way of doing that entails splitting the article into two or three, then we should do it properly without just copying content from the English Wikipedia and leaving it unsimplified. If you can simplify the content, then you can split it up however you like. Regards, Osiris (talk) 06:17, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Using premiere before trusting sources

I received your message regarding BLPs. The problem for most of those BLP articles was that spam filters kept putting blacklist notices and refusing to accept the citations I provided. I wouldn't deliberately put unsourced BLP articles. The sources have to be proper or they get rejected by blacklist or removed by other Wikipedia editors. I use premiere before I save any of the articles I create. That means I'm being very cautious about what reference I add. It's not always easy to tell proper vs questionable references. Angela Maureen (talk) 11:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I understand. Try to steer clear of gossip websites like aceshowbiz. If you're looking online, there are lots of reputable newspapers that host articles in their entertainment sections. Those are pretty easy to find. Osiris (talk) 12:00, 6 February 2014 (UTC)


It's a little early, but maybe you'd like to use your admin's prerogative and delete these? I'm not sure I'm disinterested enough, because I voted and because I previously deleted some related categories. If/when the RfD succeeds, we can tell the users (there have been at least two different IPs) not to create any more, then delete more freely and block if needed. What do you think? --Auntof6 (talk) 21:02, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

I would, but I started the nomination. Perhaps ask on AN? It's a no-brainer delete really. But I have a feeling that the user is just going to just keep on going. I sometimes wonder whether they actually check their talk pages but in this case they really can't miss the big orange box at the top. Osiris (talk) 21:07, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh, yeah, that! (smacks self upside head!) --Auntof6 (talk) 01:26, 7 February 2014 (UTC)


you keep removing my changes 00:16, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

ok didnt know about sandbox 00:23, 7 February 2014‎ (UTC)

thanks 00:24, 7 February 2014‎ (UTC)

DYK hooks

Hey Osiris, can I move the approved hooks onto the queue to finally get it updated? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:59, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Yep, I think so. Osiris (talk) 08:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I added the hooks onto the queue, but to prevent me screwing-up, can you update it. The last time that I updated the DYK, it was a disaster! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:06, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
You did it fine last time. You'll be able to do it. After you reset the timer, just press Ctrl+Shift+R to refresh the page cache. Osiris (talk) 02:13, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
I'm having some difficulty resting the timer. Everything else is done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:28, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Just replace the bit 2014-01-25T00:23:18Z with {{subst:#time:Y-m-d\TH:i:s\Z}}. That's all you need to do. Don't worry if it doesn't change colour immediately. Just refresh the page like I mentioned above. Osiris (talk) 02:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I nominated some new hooks. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for doing the update. I'll check your hooks out a bit later. It's getting towards sleep time for me. Osiris (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


Can you please block this account as it is a school and has the potential to be destructive. (talk) 15:10, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I don't think I can block a shared IP on request, sorry. Osiris (talk) 06:09, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Christian Fundamentalist Internal Revenue Employees (CFIRE)

Wow, this is very complicated, I would like to speak with someone to help us add our Christian nonprofit on Wikipedia. We are a group of Christians spreading the Gospel of Jesus. We have been in existence since 1995. Please help Ixshan99 (talk) 23:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi. Firstly, you should know that this is an encyclopaedia, not a listing for organisations. You wouldn't expect to find "Welcome to OUR online National CFIRE" or "Our goal is to represent Jesus Christ" on a page of Encyclopaedia Britannica would you? It's best that you don't copy straight from your website and paste it here. We don't accept advertising here. And we're written in Simple English, which means that you'll need to stick to Basic English as much as possible. You should read this guideline which will explain how to edit a topic to which you're closely associated; the content you add and the language you use must be encyclopaedic and not promotional. You should also have a look at our notability requirements for organisations. You need to show evidence that your organisation is notable enough for an article – if it has not been extensively written about in published sources, then it probably won't meet our requirements. I know this is all very complicated to begin with. The Article wizard might be able to help you get your head around all of this. Osiris (talk) 23:51, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Simple English "Idea"

Hi Osiris, My apologies: This was an unauthorized change made from one of our work computers by two of our volunteer students. I'm glad that you were editing the article. We've dealt with the students. Have a great day. (talk) 21:53, 11 February 2014 (UTC) Cerina F

Linking in infoboxes

Hi Osiris, I just want to check on a small point. In the MOS under Wikilinking, it states: "Only link a word the first time it is used in the article, but do not link the same word more than once in an article." Does this apply to all elements of a page; specifically, infoboxes? My understanding is that it is once per page including infoboxes—is that correct? Thanks Rus793 (talk) 16:26, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I think links in infoboxes don't count. At least I don't count them. My understanding is that it's likely that someone would read the article without looking at the infobox, or look at the infobox to get just the basic info without reading the article. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes I would still link in infoboxes even if it is linked elsewhere in the page. Also that isn't a hard and fast rule. Anytime linking would help the reader you should still link. For example if you have a list in a page and you link most of the items in the list but one was mentioned earlier in the page so it isn't linked. That would then force the reader to search through the article to find the link and would be counter productive. A good bit of commonsense and WP:IAR need to be used/remembered. -DJSasso (talk) 18:30, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Hey Rus. Our MOS is not very complete, so I guess it misses a lot of points like this. If you're ever unsure about something you can use the Manual on the English Wikipedia as a guide, unless it's for something you think we should be doing differently or contradicts local guidelines. It deals with this under en:WP:OVERLINK, where it says keeping another link in the infobox is fine. Osiris (talk) 23:28, 12 February 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for fixing those Rfds. I always forget those comments are there because if you hit edit from main request page then they don't show up in the edit box. I've been meaning to look into changing how they are handled. -DJSasso (talk) 18:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

That's fine. We can always change the top [change] link to edit the full page if it makes it easier? Osiris (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
I'd be in favor of that. It would make it a bit easier when closing them. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I added a link next to the delete button (it'll appear in request pages created from now on). I can't really think of any other way of doing it without messing up the headers. Osiris (talk) 02:05, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

James Franco

There has been a frequent amount of vandalism in the James Franco article by unregistered users. Is it a good idea for a small protection lock on it? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:42, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

It was only from one IP and it's now blocked. Osiris (talk) 01:29, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I known, but even before that. Look at its history. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:25, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
I thought you meant protect it temporarily. It's history looks normal to me. Indefinite protection is for articles that are consistently vandalised frequently. There haven't even been 50 changes to this article in a year... Osiris (talk) 04:47, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
No, no, I mean temporarily. How much unregistered vandalism on this article does it take for a temp. protection. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
Well, enough to make it worth blocking potentially constructive contributions. The only IP address that has edited the page in the last month is blocked, so the likelihood that it's going to be vandalised again over the period of.. what, a week? a month? no greater any other article on the wiki. Protection is for serious, current problems. Osiris (talk) 06:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Flat earth

Should Flat Earth be as simple as this? Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:29, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

That looks like an excellent job at simplifying. Good to have you on board! Osiris (talk) 17:32, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


I'd like to create BA as a redirect to Bachelor of Arts, or as a disambig to all uses of BA as an abbreviation. How to I do that as all caps? At present, when I try it, it goes to Ba, an Egyptian god. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:55, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Type it directly into your URL: and go from there. Osiris (talk) 09:56, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks! Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:01, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

So the next question is: how do I get the first letter of a new page title to come up in lower case, as in tRNA? Macdonald-ross (talk) 19:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

You'll need to put {{lowercase}} on the first line of the page text. Osiris (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
When I changed the title on a redirect, it refused to show the redirect in normal form! See tRNA. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Oh, redirects are different. If it's a redirect then the #REDIRECT [[...]] bit has to go on the first line, so move the line you just added to the bottom instead. It's not going to actually alter the case in the URL though, if that was what you wanted to do – there isn't any way to do that. Loading will still automatically change to because all wiki page URLs are uppercase. The template {{lowercase}} just alters the appearance of the page's title, like on eBay (note the difference between the URL and the title). So on a redirect it's a bit pointless since anybody who loads that page will be sent to another anyway. You can still add it though, just:
Osiris (talk) 12:16, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I should have tried that. I may well break the redirect in time and do a substantive article, but topics like this entail a lot of work so meanwhile, a redirect... Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:13, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

samer intabli

dear osiris, i' m samer intabli please talk to me to communicate with each other, I'm a new user and i need your help Samer intabli (talk) 09:22, 25 February 2014‎ (UTC)

I'll reply on your talk page. Osiris (talk) 12:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Osiri can you return my page deletted back ? I will edit it And i can't upload a picture they always say to me error why ? And thank you

User:Royal Place of Turin

Hiiiiii can you move User:Royal Place of Turin to Royal Place of Turin. It will not let me do it :( Simplegoose (talk) 19:30, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Already done by someone else. Osiris (talk) 12:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)


Hello Osiris. How do I make a picture that hasn't got free of use to a picture that has? Thanks. Sadsam123 (talk) 18:02, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean, sorry? Osiris (talk) 18:04, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Like add it. If you dont know then shall I upload the same picture again (this time with free to use)? Sadsam123 (talk) 18:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
You can't change the copyright license of an image unless you are the copyright holder. In this case the copyright holder is the film studio. They made the image, and they own the rights to it. You can't post it on Commons because it's fully copyrighted, and Commons only hosts content for which the copyright is compatible with their licensing policies. Osiris (talk) 18:12, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Understood. So shall I upload the same picture but with the copyright info? Sadsam123 (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
No, because it isn't compatible with the licensing policies. Commons can't host something that is fully copyrighted. The image can't stay on Commons. Osiris (talk) 18:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Ooohhh........ok, now I get it. Sorry if I've bothered you about it. Thanks for the help. And............... Sadsam123 (talk) 18:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
Chocolate chip cookies.jpg Sadsam123 has given you some cookies! Now enjoy them!
No bother at all, happy to help! Thanks for the cookies! Face-smile.svg 18:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)