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New Page[change source]

Hey Peter, can you give me advice on this page that I'm kind of creating, Blenheim Palace. If there's any place that can give me infromation, let me know. Salofmilwaukee (talk) 19:20, 17 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A couple of things to start. First do not indent article pages with a colon. Secondly, do not use "etc". A quick internet search will find http://www.blenheimpalace.com/ - even from this basic opening page you will find some facts you could use in the article such as, the size of the property, who designed the garden, and the fact it is a World Heritage site. You can then add the page as a reference, the code for citing a web page as a reference is on my user page if you need to find it. I am sure a little further digging around will tell you when and who built it. Then you will have a useful basic article. --Peterdownunder (talk) 00:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think BG's closing was inopportune, since three editors were working actively on it. We should do one of these things: a) revert the closing; b) re-propose as GA; c) propose as VGA. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

And see user:Albacore's response on his talk page. I agree it now reaches VGA standards. Meanwhile, user:Pmlineditor reverted the closure. What is our best next move? Shall we get it to GA first, or go for broke with VGA directly? Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I were any of you, I'd renominate and do your bloody best to get involved, get others involved and make a community effort to gain support for it, regardless of GA or VGA. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:39, 23 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
BG7 made the point that on the PGA page there was no consensus for promotion. This does point out that this page often gets cluttered with issues that should be on the articles talk page. Lets check the article carefully then renominate for VGA.--Peterdownunder (talk) 22:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Absolutely. I've added some comments on the sources for some of the refs on the article talk page as a starter. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:12, 23 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
A while back, I added a reference - here. Since, it has been removed. Should I re-add it, or is the ref bad? --DJDunsie (talk) 10:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Active users page[change source]

Dear Pete, you should definitely be on the list of WP:Active users. Regards, Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:58, 24 June 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Flood flag[change source]

Hello Peter --

I noticed you were online now, and was wondering if you could give me the flood flag for the next hour or two? I'm adding defaultsort and {{bd}} to biography articles and categorizing.

Thanks. --Mukkakukaku (talk) 00:20, 8 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Congratulations on being the first (simple wikipedia) recipient of ...[change source]

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For you continuing dedication to adding citations to our unsourced articles, especially the death references. The Three Headed Knight (talk) 14:07, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Wow, thanks, an award for something I quite enjoy doing.--Peterdownunder (talk) 23:48, 15 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Well deserved!--Gordonrox24 | Talk 02:51, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Tr0ll1ing[change source]

He was AIVed for being a bad username, not for vandalism. Although I daresay he is only an edit or two away from a vandalism block anyway Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 04:00, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is certainly a user name that would not draw any attention to his edits..., give him enough rope and see what he does with it. --Peterdownunder (talk) 04:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Nonvocalscream hanged him Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 04:38, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Two things. 1) Out of respect to Peter... An administrator never //has// to do any action they do not wish. This is neither right or wrong. 2) I did not hang anyone. Please refrain from such descriptive of me. Jon@talk:~$ 04:52, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never indicated here that I thought he had to do anything. And the above comment is a reference to Peter's comment, which is a reference to "Give a man enough rope and he'll hang himself" Before he could hang himself, i.e. make more bad edits that would get him vandalism blocked, you (rightfully) usernamed blocked him. Hence why you hanged him Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 04:59, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never felt "that I had to do anything", and as PBP noted, anyone that was silly enough to use that user name was not going to stay around long. Good to know that we have a team that is keeping the SEWP vandal free. --Peterdownunder (talk) 07:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

EnWiki tab JS[change source]

Hi Peter. Just noticed you trying the updated version of the script and when copying it, you missed the closing brackets so it might not work properly. Just add the last two lines of it to the bottom and it should be fine :). Cheers, Grunny (talk) 12:21, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for that, I will try it again --Peterdownunder (talk) 12:40, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Grunny, this is excellent. Is there a reverse I can put on my EN page to check back what is here? --Peterdownunder (talk) 12:53, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sure, you can just change it so that you change the variables use simple instead of en, so this should do it. Hope that helps, and let me know if there are any problems with it. Cheers, Grunny (talk) 13:14, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hey this is great! Thanks a million! --Peterdownunder (talk) 13:22, 16 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request[change source]

Hi Peter, I've left a request here, it doesn't look like the page gets seen to often, so I was just pointing it out. :-) Thanks. -Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 12:31, 19 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I had seen it, but I was about to go to bed and leave it to someone else. Granted, please read the guidelines.--Peterdownunder (talk) 12:37, 19 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Re:Deleting references[change source]

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Hello, Peterdownunder. You have new messages at Vibhijain's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

 :)--Vibhijain (talk) 12:06, 20 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

ARKive template[change source]

I was thinking of adding an optional parameter to the {{ARKive}} template, short = yes. It would change the output to only the first line, and not display the list of tab links (Facts, Status, etc.) Another option is to display only the first line by default, and use long = yes to display all the links. What do you think?--The Three Headed Knight (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The best use for the template that I can see is under the "other websites" heading. In this case I like the long one as it allows a reader to get to exactly the extra information they are looking for. But having a short option could be useful.--Peterdownunder (talk) 22:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi, Peterdownunder! =D It's so good to see you again! I missed you so much... ;P Bouncily, ~~Dewflower 06:04, 24 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi there yourself - this wiki is always so dull when you have a break, nice to see you back --Peterdownunder (talk) 06:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey there Peterdownunder, I'm delighted to inform you that an article that you nominated or worked on towards VGA status, Saturn (planet), has now been promoted - congratulations! On behalf of the SEWP community I would like to thank you for your work and for helping to increase the number of better quality articles we have, and look forward to seeing more contributions from you in the future. Could you possible write the Main Page stub for the article? Once more, congratulations! Goblin 08:46, 25 July 2011 (UTC) I ♥ GoblinBots!Reply[reply]

Regarding Thepoliticalmaster's rollback request[change source]

Hi Peterdownunder. Just thought I should let you know some background about User:Thepoliticalmaster. On enwiki, he was granted rollback and abused it so much that it was taken away, and then he was blocked. He's been blocked from most en-related channels on IRC. He has applied for rollback on a bunch of different wikis including Wiktionary and maybe Wikisource too. I try to assume good faith - perhaps he will do great work on simplewiki, but I thought you should be aware of his history, and at the first signs of misuse on simple, to consider whether or not it is a good idea to give rollback rights to someone who has abused them in the past, seemingly without any ability to realise there is a problem or take responsibility. —Tom Morris (talk) 11:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just for reference, enwiki now has a community ban being proposed. The user is a massive sockpuppet abuser and has been blocked from Wikisource. —Tom Morris (talk) 13:44, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Peter, I have not abused rollback as Tom says, it was taken away from me because I was too new. To verify this please see here, all the admins said that it was not misused but agreed it was too soon to grant it to me. Again I never asked for rollback rights at Wikisource etc. I have never abused them in the past, nor have they been misused in any way. On another wiki where Tom Morris posted about me, he even said that I was blocked on Wikipedia and Wikisource. I've just checked my block log, it is clean. After Tom Morris' comments on IRC, I do not think that this is viable. Oh and yes I am planning to write a couple of articles on here. Thanks Peter and sorry to have this sort of tone. --Thepoliticalmaster (talk) 15:27, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If I interpreted it correctly, you are a confirmed sock of a user already blocked here, so technically speaking you should be blocked. The link you provided clearly shows the right has been removed for abuse, and your attitude both onwiki and specially in IRC shows a complete lack of clue: you are basically disrupting the projects and I'd strongly suggest your rights be removed. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 15:40, 28 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Diels Alder Reaction[change source]

Thank you for the new lead paragraphs. I see what you did in terms of word choice. They are obvious changes in hindsight. I think that I was penalized in the readability score by trying to explain in simple terms about the conjugated double bonds. You took that out of the lead paragraphs, and I agree that it is not essential, because one can get that idea from looking at the diagrams or from the conjugated system article. Again, many thanks, Racepacket (talk) 17:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Infobox Spacecraft template[change source]

Dear Peter, While working on articles such as Juno (spacecraft) and MESSENGER, I have encountered a problem with the Template:Infobox Spacecraft, as I cannot get the | Launch_Site = value to work. I have had a look at the template but I cannot see | Launch_Site =, unless I have missed it, or it is called something different. I would be very grateful of your assistance, thank you, DJDunsie (talk · changes) 16:15, 31 July 2011 (UTC).Reply[reply]

 Fixed - the value was missing from the template, so I added it. Seems to be working now.--Peterdownunder (talk) 23:46, 31 July 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry to disturb you again Peter! I would just like to inform you that I have created a list of articles at my sandbox, articles for myself to create in the future. Before I start though, I would just like to check whether there are any notability issues with the articles - I would hate to have to lose work because of RfD! ;) I've left a space at the bottom for you comments. Please do tell other editors to comment too.

Also, do you have to ask if you want to create a {{stub}} article, because I've seen people getting annoying about stubs and people who create them?

Kind regards,

DJDunsie (talk · changes) 19:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Creating a stub article is easy, and as long as it has more than a single sentence, no one will get that annoyed. It is not easy just to write a full article in one session. I always try for minimum of three sentences, plus a photo, and plus a reference if possible. It only takes a minute or two longer. At the moment there is some discussion about creating "stub types". Some editors want to have many different sub categories, and others think that there should be only a basic few. If you want to create a new stub type I would have a look at the current discussions. The old guide was there needed to be lots (thousands) of articles to start a new stub type. --Peterdownunder (talk) 06:35, 2 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Peterdownunder! Thanks for moving the Penguin thing... I wasn't sure what to do. =) Bouncily, ~~Dewflower 06:23, 2 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem at all - and do not worry. Just keeping writing away and the others will fix it if it really needs it. And at the moment we need more writers! And I love penguins too. --Peterdownunder (talk) 06:27, 2 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Question[change source]

Thanks for your welcome message! If I want to leave links to simple pages on en.wiki, what prefix do I use in the interwiki links? Thanks! Awadewit (talk) 17:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

All you need to do is write "simple:Article name" inside the square brackets [.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:53, 4 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great, thanks! Awadewit (talk) 22:43, 4 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That should be double square brackets.  Hazard-SJ  ±  22:51, 4 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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For all the work you do around here in helping to improve our encyclopaedia! All those changes and minor things really help here, even if this stuff isn't recognized usually. Barras (talk) 11:10, 5 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Received with thanks - --Peterdownunder (talk) 11:18, 5 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Vandalisms[change source]

Hello, Peter. These recent vandal edits done by some IP are from same users that vandalized this project yesterday (ex: [1], [2]). I'm afraid they won't stop with warnings. Regards.” TeLeS (T @ L C S) 07:08, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thought as much, have increased blocks and protections --Peterdownunder (talk) 07:28, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks.” TeLeS (T @ L C S) 20:29, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Barnstar[change source]

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For all the Stubs you have eradicated. Well done! Yottie =talk= 16:24, 14 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, thanks Yottie :) --Peterdownunder (talk) 10:54, 18 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry to disturb you about this again but for articles 183-190, I am not sure what to call them. I would usually go for the en.wiki name but I think that is sometimes inappropriate. For example, on this wiki, SETI is an abbreviated name whereas on en.wiki it is written out in full. Also for Konstantin Eduardovich Tsiolkovskii, the en.wiki article leaves out his middle name in the title. For en.wiki Nedelin catastrophe article, should the title be changed to Nedelin disaster because that is simpler? What is the policy for all of these problems? I have also found two articles about Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 - here and here. This is but a selection of the problems I have found so please could I have some help with this, thank you, DJDunsie (talk · changes) 11:50, 17 August 2011 (UTC).Reply[reply]

Great questions. Normally the naming policy is to use the name that users will most likely use (as long as it is right), and often we use the same name as the enwiki to reduce confusion. That being said, where there is more than one suitable name you would put in simple redirects to the article. So:
  1. SETI - make a redirect from the full title. Proceed as if you were going to make a page with the full title. And then add the redirect script (in the advanced section of the toolbar) and make the page redirect to SETI.
  2. Konstantin - do the same, make a redirect page leaving out his middle name that directs to the full name article.
  3. Nedelin -use the name that is in common use, or the enwiki.
  4. Shoemaker - well spotted. This is often a problem. I would think the best name is Comet Shoe... and this is also what enwiki uses. Add any material and info from the second version that is missing from the first one. Blank the page, that is delete everything off it, and then add a redirect to the first page. In the edit summary, you write that the article has been merged.

Have a go, even if you get it wrong, it can be fixed easily. --Peterdownunder (talk) 12:18, 17 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

One problem. You said "SETI - make a redirect from the full title". However, in the Manual of Style it says:
  • Do not use abbreviations. An article on the World Health Organization should not be titled "WHO".
You are correct and I was wrong. I have moved page to full title, and left SETI as a redirect.--Peterdownunder (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Are astronomy articles exceptions, because their names are often really long? DJDunsie (talk · changes) 16:02, 18 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't know the answer to that, but probably things are called by the common name rather than highly technical. Peterdownunder (talk) 08:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for the welcome![change source]

Hi Peter! Thanks for your kind welcome. I've decided that on occasions Wikipedia is overpatrolled (my reverts get conflicted) and alas I will work here in those times. I am wondering if on the Simple Wikipedia follows the same policies on page protection. Could you please fully protect my user page if possible, as it might get vandalised when I'm vandal fighting. Admins on Wikipedia did that with no hassle. If that isn't possible here, no worries. Thanks, --Thompson.matthew (talk) 11:30, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Matthew, user page vandalizing is very rare, and so we do not normally protect user pages. If you are interested in adding Australian content then there is so much that is needed, and probably no one will edit conflict. The pace here is much slower than at enWiki. A bit laid back, enjoy your time here. --Peterdownunder (talk) 11:35, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No worries. Made my first article, Curtin University. Hope it meets guidelines. --Thompson.matthew (talk) 12:15, 19 August 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]