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Greatest Generation

I have attempted to translate Greatest Generation into Simple English. Born from 1901 to 1927, these people grew up during hard times of the Great Depression and World War II, yet became very successful later in life, and had a huge influence on world culture and politics. Most of them have died already, but some still survive. Unfortunately, despite my efforts, I didn't do the best job simplifying the article, so it would be great if others are interested in helping! Thanks! Lights and freedom (talk) 06:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

It is probably too complex and could use work there. Besides this issue, it may be too focused on the US, but that is a consequence of the enwiki article. Lights and freedom (talk) 06:27, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Despite the claim, the phrase seems to be entirely North American or even U.S. in usage. I have never heard it before. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok, perhaps it's just a US thing. Lights and freedom (talk) 16:06, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Definitely a US thing. Mostly comes from NBC Nightly News Tom Brokaw. And very on-brand for the US to call one cohort "The Greatest." --Gotanda (talk) 10:11, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

A typical American-centered term which is never used in Europe. The period of WWI was a complete disaster for Europe, and the 1920s which followed it were full of social, political and economic strife. the 1920s saw the rise of Hitler, and that was not an accident. WWI was played out in France and Germany. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:53, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Let's not forget people such as Stalin. The people that were born in the early 20th century were also those fighting in the Second World War. The "Greatness" of the generation was probably that they lost pretty much everything they had; if they survived the war, they had to rebuild their country, because there was no other choice. For the Eastern part of Europe, Spain, and Portugal, there were also some totalitarian regimes that established themselves. So, yes, the term "Greatest Generation" is definitely an American one. Eptalon (talk) 10:13, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

Personally, I think the unqualified phrase is quite objectionable from at least the European point of view. I suggest we add U.S. to the title, so that it reads "Greatest Generation (U.S.)". Don't forget that WWI was fought almost entirely in continental Europe. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:08, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

@Macdonald-ross Okay, that sounds reasonable. I moved the page to Greatest Generation (U.S.). Lights and freedom (talk) 02:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• As far as I'm aware, when it comes to article names, we typically follow en in most cases. I do not see why this case would be any different, just because some of our editors haven't heard the term. I don't think there is any specific wording in our own MOS that would cover this, however I think following EN would be correct in this case. This is about a specific topic. As far as I'm aware, there isn't any other use case here that would require any disambiguation. Until we have Greatest Generation (U.K.), Greatest Generation (Canada), Greatest Generation (Spain) ect there is absolutely no need for this. If we need disambiguation we can create it. But it just doesn't exist. --Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 03:05, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
• I've undone the move because it is so wrong. That's all there is to it. It is baseless.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 03:09, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  Yes I agree with the reversion, the article should not be moved there even if it was only an American term. There is no justification under the Manual of Style for such a move. --IWI (talk) 03:17, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

• Well, you can out-vote me, but that doesn't mean I am wrong. Much of WP is American-biased and insensitive to other cultures. This is a good example. The 1920s was an absolutely terrible time in Europe, both economically and politically. If you don't want to change the title, then you should not suggest that the term applies in UK, Germany, Russia or Japan. If what you want is a history of pre-1940 countries who took part in WWII then this is not the way to approach it. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  @Macdonald-ross: But we would add "(U.S.)" to the end if the title needed disambiguating from other uses for the phrase. Since that is not the case here, it's not clear how the move is necessary. I am not opposed, however, to making it more clear in the article that it is mainly an American term. Best, --IWI (talk) 11:08, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  As long as there's no article giving the European (or Russian, or Japanese) perspective, there's no need to add a disambiguation. I do however insist that form the article it needs to be clear that the article gives a mainly U.S. perspective. Eptalon (talk) 11:41, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  @Eptalon: Agreed. --IWI (talk) 12:14, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

  Apologies for the late addition. Yes I fully agree that it should be mentioned in the article that this term is used mostly in the USA. --Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 03:07, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

  The point is not just that the phrase only relates to the USA. It is really critical that WWII happened because WWI caused the destruction of so much of Western Europe. Only the entrance of Japan needs specially different treatment. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:23, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Wikimania 2023 Welcoming Program Submissions

Do you want to host an in-person or virtual session at Wikimania 2023? Maybe a hands-on workshop, a lively discussion, a fun performance, a catchy poster, or a memorable lightning talk? Submissions are open until March 28. The event will have dedicated hybrid blocks, so virtual submissions and pre-recorded content are also welcome. If you have any questions, please join us at an upcoming conversation on March 12 or 19, or reach out by email at wikimania@wikimedia.org or on Telegram. More information on-wiki.

Wikipedia:Be kind

Shouldn't the civility guideline be switched to a policy, as the enwiki version is? Users should essentially always follow it, and is not really negotiable as it being only a guideline would suggest. Would there be consensus for introducing it as a policy instead? --IWI (talk) 18:08, 18 March 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Support. I actually remember a few months back we had a user who was saying he didn't have to follow this because it was a guideline not a policy... --Ferien (talk) 11:22, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:38, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Support - Being civil is not just a suggestion that can be thrown out of the window. — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 12:26, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Support: If we aren’t civil or kind, our goal of building an encyclopedia cannot be completed. This is a must. Illusion Flame (talk) 12:32, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

 Comment: - What do we have currently? I would like to know what the alternative is before I throw it out. Blissyu2 (talk) 12:24, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Blissyu2, currently, Wikipedia:Be kind is a guideline. And so at the top of the page Many editors agree with the ideas on this page. It is a good idea to follow it, but it is not policy. Essentially saying you don't currently have to be civil. --Ferien (talk) 12:40, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

So we're voting on changing it from a guideline to a policy then? Okay. As long as I'm clear on that. That seems reasonable then. Thanks. Blissyu2 (talk) 23:13, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Bot to add and remove protection templates

EnWP has en:User:MusikBot II/FixPP, which adds and removes protection templates. It automatically adds {{pp}} and similar templates when a page is protected, and removes them when protection ends. Should such a bot be run at SimpleWP too? I'm not volunteering to do it myself, but I think it could be better than the current system. Individual users have to add and remove the templates, sometimes weeks after the change in protection. The bot code already exists, which might make it easier, although I don't know much about wikibots. Lights and freedom (talk) 17:22, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

It is worth noting that the template will automatically not display an icon on unprotected pages, although it could be useful for categorisation and such. I would not be opposed to such a bot, if someone volunteered to run it. --IWI (talk) 17:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I have looked at a few, tell me where it is. Can we get language-adapted templates? Eptalon (talk) 17:27, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

@Eptalon If you're looking for the code, it's at GitHub. The link is on the bot's user page. The templates just look like padlock icons, so I don't think anything would have to be adapted (except some things might be different, like extended-confirmed protection doesn't exist here). Lights and freedom (talk) 17:34, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

I have actually thought about creating a bot for this myself, but haven't started coding it yet. --Ferien (talk) 15:25, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Template:Wiktionary redirect

Shouldn't {{Wiktionary redirect}} link to Simple English Wiktionary instead of English Wiktionary? I think this can be changed by changing "wiktionary:" to "wikt:", but I don't know what's best practice with these interwiki shortcuts. Lights and freedom (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

China

Should this (simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lights_and_freedom&oldid=8735684) be moved here, or to some other talk page?--(Wherever the discussion ends, I might want to mention a view about China or China-of-today being within China proper will perhaps not be mentioned by me/myself.) 2001:2020:4329:FC62:7CF0:5311:1C74:331D (talk) 23:20, 20 March 2023 (UTC)/ 2001:2020:4329:FC62:7CF0:5311:1C74:331D (talk) 23:24, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Proposed VGA demotion for Ronald Reagan

The article has multiple issues. See Wikipedia:Proposed_article_demotion#Ronald_Reagan Gotanda (talk) 07:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Help needed: Bathyphysa conifera

We recently got Bathyphysa conifera which has an almost identical article at enwp. It is a deep-sea creature, and was first described in the 1870s. Not much seems to be known. I cut out some highly-technical description, but I think the article needs more simplification; references would also help. Eptalon (talk) 13:51, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

WikiProject Red to Blue

Hello, I recently started a new WikiProject called WikiProject Red to Blue (User:Shadow of the Starlit Sky/WikiProject Red to Blue is the link). This WikiProject aims to fix redlinks on Wikipedia and turn them into articles, and also maintain and expand these articles to gradually seal the information gap on Simple English Wikipedia. I was wondering if some of y'all would be interested in checking it out, so I decided to post about it on this board.

Shadow of the Starlit Sky (talk) 12:50, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Zellers

What's the policy on updating the store logo? As the one on the page is out of date. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 19:43, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

つがる, as long as it exists on this wiki, you're free to update it to the latest version. --Ferien (talk) 19:48, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Ferien. I'm not sure if it's on commons though, as there is likely a copyright for the logo. Apparently, with the old Zellers logo, HBC didn't renew the trademark and now there is a lawsuit going on because someone tried registering the trademark. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 19:50, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Okay so this is the current logo and the file is on commons here. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 19:54, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Board of Trustees have ratified the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines

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Hello all, an important update on the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines:

The vote on the Enforcement Guidelines in January 2023 showed a majority approval of the Enforcement Guidelines. There were 369 comments received and a detailed summary of the comments will be published shortly. Just over three-thousand (3097) voters voted and 76% approved of the Enforcement Guidelines. You can view the vote statistics on Meta-wiki.

As the support increased, this signifies to the Board that the current version has addressed some of the issues indicated during the last review in 2022. The Board of Trustees voted to ratify the Enforcement Guidelines. The resolution can be found on Foundation wiki and you can read more about the process behind the 2023 Enforcement Guidelines review on Diff.

There are some next steps to take with the important recommendations provided by the Enforcement Guidelines. More details will come soon about timelines. Thank you for your interest and participation.

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Zuz (WMF) (talk) 21:32, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Uncategorised articles

I have come across several. Do we have a list, or any other means of locating them? Rathfelder (talk) 18:13, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Special:UncategorizedPages lists articles that don't have any categories at all. (There are similar special pages for categories and templates.) However, that special page doesn't list articles that are essentially uncategorized but have maintenance or stub categories. Every once in a while I take a maintenance or stub category and look for pages that need content categories, but it's a big task. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:03, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. How are people supposed to find it? Why cant I put it on my watchlist? Rathfelder (talk) 16:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

You can find it like this:

• From any page, click on "Special pages". You'll find that link along the left side of the page under Tools. (At least, that's where it is in the skin that I use.)
• Under Maintenance reports, click on Uncategorized pages.

Special pages can't be watched like "real" pages. You could watch Category:Category needed, but that page is populated when people notice that a page needs categories so it might not have everything. On the other hand, it's more likely to include pages that have maintenance and/or stub categories but which need regular content categories. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:02, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. I found Bagmati Provincial Assembly uncategorised, but not on that list. Any idea why? Rathfelder (talk) 13:16, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

That page has some maintenance categories on it. They're hidden categories, though, so maybe your preferences aren't set to show them. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I cant see any way of changing my preferences. Where should I look?Rathfelder (talk) 13:53, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Contributions transfer

Hello! Can someone, maybe an oversighter, transfer my unregistered contribs to my registered? Unregistered: Special:Contribs/2607:fea8:551d:2e00:0:0:0:0/64 Thanks, WPchanger2011 (page, talk, changes he did, more changes) :) 01:24, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

(Non-oversighter observation) That isn't possible. You can have your unregistered contributions have their IP address oversighted, I think that's pretty much what can happen. Justarandomamerican (Discuss!) 01:26, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

umm... okay? so all i do is leave my unregistered contribs, right? Thanks, WPchanger2011 (page, talk, changes he did, more changes) :) 01:28, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Well, I think you can email an oversighter and have them oversighted, but you can also leave them as is. Justarandomamerican (Discuss!) 01:30, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Report on Voter Feedback from Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) Enforcement Guidelines Ratification

Hello all,

The Universal Code of Conduct (UCoC) project team has completed the analysis of the feedback accompanying the ratification vote on the Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines.

Following the completion of the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines Draft in 2022, the guidelines were voted on by the Wikimedian community. Voters cast votes from 137 communities, with the top 9 communities being: English, German, French, Russian, Polish, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, Italian Wikipedias, and Meta-wiki.

Those voting had the opportunity to provide comments on the contents of the Draft document. 658 participants left comments. 77% of the comments are written in English. Voters wrote comments in 24 languages with the largest numbers in English (508), German (34), Japanese (28), French (25), and Russian (12).

A report will be sent to the Revision Drafting Committee who will refine the enforcement guidelines based on the community feedback received from the recently concluded vote. A public version of the report is published on Meta-wiki here. The report is available in translated versions on Meta-wiki. Please help translate to your language

Again, we thank all who participated in the vote and discussions. We invite everyone to contribute during the next community discussions. More information about the Universal Code of Conduct and Enforcement Guidelines can be found on Meta-wiki.

On behalf of the Universal Code of Conduct project team

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 12:34, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Many DYK nominations...

Hello all, I just wanted to point out that there are many DYK nominations, if anyone feels like reviewing please do. Eptalon (talk) 09:33, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

They all look great, Eptalon! What would you like me to do as far as reviewing is concerned? Blissyu2 (talk) 12:22, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Catholic Church sexual abuse cases

Hello, the article Catholic Church sexual abuse cases was recently up for deletion, but it ended up being kept, after I copied over (and did some simplification) the EnWP article. I am currently the only editor to have touched the article (after the copying). Note that the subject is controversial, so it is important that statements are well-sourced. Nevertheless, many sections still look complex to me. Eptalon (talk) 09:37, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Small reminder

Hello everyone, it will soon be April 1st in UTC. For some, this day is known also as April Fools. This is a reminder that if you are going to make an April Fools joke, please stay away from reader-facing pages such as the article namespace, DYK, and the template namespace. If you want to make a joke, you can do it on your user page/subpage. Thanks! — *Fehufangą ♮ ✉ Talk page 23:44, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

What a Fool!

Happy 04/01! 872 863 880 863 876 - 865 873 872 872 859 - 865 867 880 863 - 883 873 879 - 879 874 Operator873 ^connect 06:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Operator873

What the hell? This is all messed up lol! Is that the joke? Blissyu2 (talk) 12:21, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Switch to new system for GAs/VGAs

Hello all, we have discussed this before, and I would like to switch to the new system for GA/VGAs

1. 1 week to decide if the article meets all except at most 2 criteria of the GA/VGA criteria
2. 1-2 weeks to fix remaining issues.
3. 1 week vote that it meets all critera, and can be promoted.

Steps 1 and 3 end with a vote; as everywhere else, minimum 5 votes, 60% support (for the 5 vote scenario, this is a simple majority), any admin can close (judging consensus)

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I would like to implement this: All existing candidates have been sitting there longer than three weeks, so they start at item 3

• Proposed good articles: Rainforest, Emu War, Russia, Yellowstone National Park and Concrete
• Proposed very good articles: The Godfather and Neptune
• Proposed article demotion: Ronald Reagan and Jupiter - note that default result here is to demote, so you need to oppose.

Eptalon (talk) 17:35, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Vote ends: April 8 (next Saturday)... Eptalon (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Can we have fewer TLAs please? Rathfelder (talk) 20:46, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

whats a TLA? Eptalon (talk) 20:59, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Searching up, it appears to be Three Letter Abbreviation. But I thought GAs and VGAs were fairly well known as Good Articles and Very Good Articles... --Ferien (talk) 21:05, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Oh wow I am happy to see Emu War in that list as I helped a bit with that one. Blissyu2 (talk) 23:14, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

Hey

Hey 103.255.5.114 (talk) 01:06, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Hello! Is there something that you needed help with? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 01:58, 2 April 2023 (UTC)