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Language redirect[change source]

Ummmm there is some wrong in redirecting in lagugaes like the Bangla one the redirect link is wrong it will be bn.wikipedia.com. I hope you will fix soon Rifat008 (talk) 14:43, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neptune Image[change source]

The image for Neptune is not the same for the article, as it is not the true color version revealed early into 2024. 4.17.84.154 (talk) 11:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP user. If you have a free non-copywrited photo of it you can upload it to commons and then attach it to article. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:04, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^Superscript 119.156.228.23 (talk) 09:29, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to change auto-archive on Main Talk page[change source]

I would like to suggest we auto-archive the main talk page with different setting. I know a lot of us monitor the page, so questions are usually answered or statements receive a response relatively fast. Some are odd baalth ngs, ke lian editor posting in another languag,e , where ask them to post inEen igl.

I would recommend we use the same time frame as we do on simple talk, which is 10 days and a minimum of 5 topics left on page. This page is currently set at 1 year.

Only named editors who have edited on this wiki prior to this post being made can vote Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[change source]

Just for confirmation, you are planning to change the auto-archive for Talk:Main Page to be limited to a few days? If so, I don't have an issue with that. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:02, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski Yes from 1 year to 10 days. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 13:06, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think I was the last person to tweak archival settings; Simple talk currently has a setting of 10 days, Admin noticeboard of 14 days. I reduced these by a third, about half a year ago. This page gets a lot less traffic, so we would likely be looking at settings between 30 and 45 days. Note that when it is set up, we also need to tweak the archives, so that there is a space before the archive number. Manual archival should be avoided, there are bots that do this perfectly.--Eptalon (talk) 00:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eptalon I could agree with the 40-45, it’s a lot shorter than one year and enough of us watch this page. What do you mean by Note that when it is set up, we also need to tweak the archives, so that there is a space before the archive number? Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 01:33, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Simple talk has 'Archive 1','Archive 2',... This one has 'Archive1','Archive2'... Eptalon (talk) 02:03, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eptalon Oh ok. I don’t think that matters much except for aesthetic reasons. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 02:06, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support[change source]

Support As proposer Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 12:45, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - sure. Not sure this really needed a formal proposal/RfC, but it seems wise to have a smaller timeout for active threads than a whole year. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:08, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski Hi Lee. Anything that is set up that we want a major change for requires a consensus. Our admins are pretty strict about this and if the change gets made without consensus the editor could be blocked. It’s always better to gain consensus here than be bold like that. Thanks - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:36, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer 45 days per Eptalon's reasoning: it gets less discussion than simple talk. At the moment, there seems to be no automatic archiving here - there are discussions with no comments since 2021. Kk.urban (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban I am all for that time frame (I believe I stated that above). It is set to auto archive, but an exception may have been made by the owner of the archive bot to not touch this page. The configuration is correct. I am forbidden from touching the page to archive the old ones like that from 2021, 2022, and 2023. We are at the 7 day mark for this to run, so I feel we have consensus to adjust to 45 days. I will ping the admins to close this out and make sure it is set appropriately. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 16:58, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Eptalon - As you can see we have consensus to adjust the time to 45 days and the name adjustment you mentioned is fine. Can you please adjust the configuration.

@Operator837 - Is there a reason the archive bot has not touched this page to archive the old conversations from 2021, 2022 and 2023 that meet the one year old requirement? Maybe an exception was made on the bot to not touch this page? Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose[change source]

Discussion[change source]

I have gone ahead and made the following changes before the bot kicks off:

Set the timeframe to 45 days (down from 365 days)
Expanded the amount of space from 75k per archive to 150k so we have less archives
Added a space before the archive number
Made sure old archives are still accessible
Ensured the archive box can be seen at the top where it should be so it can be searched

If it runs and works tonight, we should be good. If it does not archive, then it is a bot exception. Thanks and edit well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 03:04, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to archive this page[change source]

This is no longer valid. See the next section titled Talk:Main Page#Request for Comments: Archiving this Page. This is a proposal to have Bot873 archive this talk page following its BRFA at Bot873. It is currently only authorized for User talk pages and the admin requested pages. It states that to archive any other namespace or page, it requires community consensus. That is what this is for, so vote away.

~~The current settings are as follows:~~

Archive any discussion that has not been edited in the last 45 days (using the last time stamp in the discussion)

Must leave the last three (3) discussions (regardless of how old) on the page.
This page was being archived by SassoBot then my bot was dropped in to archive all pages that would allow it (some pages are restricted to Sassobot or no bots). My bot got shut down and Operator created a bot to fill in the gap. So this is nothing new to have this page archived again.
Format for voting is * followed by bolding Approve or Not approved followed by your signature. No comments are typically necessary, but you can if it’s short like why not or not needed imo. Any questions or other items should go in the discussion section and please remember your four ~ to sign.
~~Approve[change source]~~
Approve Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Not approved[change source]~~

Discussion[change source]

Format for voting is * followed by bolding Approve or Not approved followed by your signature. No comments are typically necessary, but you can if it’s short like why not or not needed imo. Any questions or other items should go in the discussion section and please remember your four ~ to sign. - why are you telling people how to "vote"? This is a discussion, not a vote. An RfC (or whatever the simple equivalent is) should also be neutrally worded and start with RfC: (or equivalent). I get why you might not think this is an RfC, but it's laid out exactly like one. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski Because this isn’t a request for comment. We are actually implementing a task for a bot to do, not for a change in policy. It’s can be either way in reality and it’s written the way it is to give background on what used to happen prior to the implementation of the newest bot in which the owner only sought to do user talk pages instead of what the other bots have done previously. Instructions are put there to remind people of how to vote since we do not have an actual page like ENWP which has it at the top of the page, as ours go on the page it applies too. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:33, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Once again, these are not votes. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski It’s the vote to have the bot archive this page. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:38, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski change it how you see fit. I’m not going to debate with you on SEWP vs ENWP. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 10:40, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb: community will is determined by consensus which is entirely different from a vote. Wikipedia isn't a democracy. A good explanation could be found here. Operator873 ^connect 17:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Operator873 Thank you for the better explanation. I am leaving in a few for about an hour or so and when I get back I will change it. Again, thank you. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski@Operator873 Does the next section look better? Anything you would like me to change before I re-announce it on simple talk? Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 20:54, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion will stay open until at least 24 April 2024 at 22:54 (UTC) Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 22:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Comments: Archiving this Page[change source]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Result -This page should be archived; there's a bot conmfiguation at the top of this page; bots should honor it, and archive discussions accodingly. Setup or archival should be the same as the other pages that get archives, such as Simple talk, or admin noticeboard. Specific archival settings are different.--Eptalon (talk) 20:08, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is an RfC to archive this page. The BRFA for Bot873 excludes anything outside of user talk pages and admin related pages (decided on by the admins). Above, we had a discussion to change the settings for the archiving of this page, without realizing this page (and namespace) was purposefully excluded by the operator due to policy on requiring consensus for any public page that is outside the above named "namespaces."

The current settings for this page archiving is as follows:

Archive any discussion that has not been edited in the last 45 days (using the last time stamp in the discussion)
Must leave the last three (3) discussions (regardless of how old) on the page.

Please feel free to leave your comments or !votes in the appropriate sections below.

Support[change source]

Support as nominator Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 09:26, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's common sense - archiving Talk:Main Page is the same procedure as archiving simple talk or noticeboards. Kk.urban (talk) 16:15, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support 45 days is quite fast though, and we'd need more than 3 posts remaining. This page really isn't active enough to the point we should be emptying this out. --Ferien (talk) 20:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose[change source]

Discussion and questions[change source]

This RfC is scheduled to close on Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 20:53 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not change it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No more changes should be made to this discussion.

Neptune[change source]

On the front page as of now, the picture is different. I've seen this happen before, but I was ignored. In the article, they use a completely different picture rather than the one of the front page. LOLHWAT (talk) 11:42, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LOLHWAT I believe it picks a random picture from the article. Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 11:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PotsdamLamb and LOLHWAT: The article previews on the main page come from subpages of Wikipedia:Very good articles. For example, this one is at Wikipedia:Very good articles/Neptune. These do not update automatically so they have to be updated by a person, when the article is changed.

About the picture of Neptune: I liked the one on the front page better, but sadly, it's a false color image, so we should probably update it to use the true color image that's displayed on Neptune. Kk.urban (talk) 19:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

English: Uploader's notes: The original NASA/Cowart PNG image has been modified by flattening (combining layers), cropping and converting to JPEG format.

Original caption released with image:

Voyager 2 Narrow Angle Camera image of Neptune taken on August 20, 1989 as the spacecraft approached the planet for a flyby on August 25. The Great Dark Spot, flanked by cirrus clouds, is at center. A smaller dark storm, Dark Spot Jr., is rotating into view at bottom left. Additionally, a patch of white cirrus clouds to its north, named "Scooter" for its rapid motion relative to other features, is visible.

This image was constructed using orange, green and synthetic violet (50/50 blend of green filter and UV filter images) taken between 626 and 643 UT.

Image Credit: NASA / JPL / Voyager-ISS / Justin Cowart Thanks, and be well! - PDL^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 19:28, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

updated. LOLHWAT (talk) 22:03, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]