Talk:Christmas

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I made the part about Jesus make a bit more sense and I took out alot of unnesassary detaios

Not simple english ?[change source]

It has, however, become commercialized by the American shopping ethos and is celebrated as much by the secular population as by the retail industry who thrive because of it. ???? 203.211.68.196 23:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Simplify[change source]

This is simple english wikipedia. Take the 850 word list and replace all words not in there by words in there, while not changing the sense. Things worth linking should be linked.

ALso lean to use sectioning, and interlinking

Eptalon

NPOV[change source]

This article seems to take a clear pro-Christian, anti-commericial view. [User:69.204.116.80|69.204.116.80]] 13:48, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I agree that this article is pro-Christian. But so what? How far are bigots to take their religious intolerance? Cannot a faith that is nearly a Billion people strong have a "pro-Christian" explanation about one of their most sacred holidays... HOLY DAY? Christmas is a holiday for Christians that celebrates the birth of Christ. So it should be all about Christians. It's a religous holiday. Create an entry for the "Holiday Season" for all the non believers...
I came here hoping to find something I could use as an introduction to Christmas for non-native English speakers. Because of the strong Christian bias, I had to use something else. It's not just a Christian holiday anymore, lots of non-Christians celebrate it and the article should reflect that. Inimino (talk) 08:49, 18 December 2012 (UTC)
I don't see how anyone can say that. It looks to me like about a third of the article is about secular aspects of the holiday -- and that's quite substantial for a Christian holiday. Yes, it has become (too) secularized and commercialized, but the article, as it is now, is well balanced. --Musdan77 (talk) 04:48, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
An example would be the section on Bible Readings. In an article this short about Christmas, do we want to spend a paragraph explaining that churches use Christmas-related bible readings during the Christmas season? Compare with the English WP article which has no such section, but does cover things omitted here like the economic impact of Christmas. Inimino (talk) 18:17, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
OK, I've removed that section -- as well as made some other "trimmings". --Musdan77 (talk) 01:33, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Religious Christians have a month of fasting...[change source]

This part of the information was completely out of line, so I corrected it to include the word "Some".


  • Should say Orthodox instead of some. All Christians are "religious".
  • Wrong. Not even all Christians are Orthodox. That is some of the Eastern and Western Churches. Ad if I'm not mistaken, this is the Simple English Wikipedia; using words like "Orthodox" is a bit too big, don't you think? Walex03 (talk) 22:33, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Anyway, like I said, not all Christians are religious. In what sense you use the word, actually. "Religious" can refer to theism; having a religion that they at least put part of their faith into. But it can also refer to a "religious" person, (to do this you must be "religious"; have a religion in the first place), a person who looks at their bible as the "Holy (Christian term used as an example) Book" or their prime holiday as the "Holy Day". Even Hitler was not a "religious" (in this form) Christian. He turned against the Christian church to some violations of the Bible including his "Jesus" and antisemeticism. Religious means (again, in this form) having established a full belief in their bible. The other one is just having a legal one. Walex03 (talk) 22:33, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
  • For example, if I were in Church (non-religious Christians usually don't go to Church, I'm just putting myself in a common Christian environment to make a point), and I were to suddenly exclaim something like, "Oh, my God!", chances are the religious Christians would consider it "unholy" and kick me out. Your beliefs deserve to be different from your formal religion. Walex03 (talk) 22:33, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

Page contains factual errors - please change to less protected status[change source]

Incorrect explanation of the origin of the word "Christmas"

Kris Kringle is NOT a Germanic god, but an English mispronunciation of Christkind, a German word that means "the baby Jesus".

plus one or two grammar errors

SECUTOR7 08:54, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Plus, "Xmas" is disputed as X means Chist also, the part about the retail indstry needs to be removed until it can site a source... Or both sides...