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Harassment consultation[change source]

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The Community Advocacy team the Wikimedia Foundation has opened a consultation on the topic of harassment on Meta. The consultation period is intended to run for one month from today, November 16, and end on December 17. Please share your thoughts there on harassment-related issues facing our communities and potential solutions. (Note: this consultation is not intended to evaluate specific cases of harassment, but rather to discuss the problem of harassment itself.)

Regards, Community Advocacy, Wikimedia Foundation
What does it take to get this section/topic archived? Etamni | ✉   16:25, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
A proper date and time in a signature. Now that there is one (in your post, and mine), it will get archived in time. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:43, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
 :) Yep! Etamni | ✉   16:44, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Plz rename the page title "Troll (Internet)" into "Internet troll" ?[change source]

Plz rename the page title Troll (Internet) into Internet troll ? Purposely to mirror that page title rename in the Main English Wikipedia. Thanks. SomeRandomPasserby (talk) 09:24, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Oppose It should be kept proffesionaly. SleepyMode (talk) 14:38, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
  • It is now at Troll (internet): Troll is the key noun, internet just the disambiguator. What other wikis do is up to them. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:13, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Category changes[change source]

Hello everyone. I was watching the new changes page, and saw a bunch of categories being edited by Allixpeeke. I know that we have special rules about categories here, and was wondering if someone more experienced could take a look at them and see if it's ok? Allixpeeke's recent changes show that he made a few changes two years ago with politically-motivated categories, took a wikibreak, and is now back doing the same thing. I thought what he was doing looked strange and wanted to clarify it here. Thank you. --Lithorien (talk) 15:39, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi.  So, here's an explanation behind some of my recent edits.

I noticed that Ronald Reagan (e.g.) was categorised under Category:Conservatism, even though there is a subcategory for Category:Conservatives.  So, I initially thought I would change the categorisation.  But, upon further observation, I noticed that Reagan was already categorised under Category:American conservatives, which in turn was already categorised under Category:Conservatives, which in turn was already categorised under Category:Conservatism.  Thus, the Category:Conservatism categorisation was simply redundant, and thus I removed it.

I made a similar observation with Margaret Thatcher, who was already categorised under Category:Former Conservative MPs, which in turn was already under Category:Conservative MPs (UK), which was already under Category:British conservatives, which was already under Category:Conservatives, which, as I mentioned above, was already categorised under Category:Conservatism.  Thus, I removed that redundancy as well.

I also added Liberal conservatism to Category:Conservatism for what I believe are some fairly obvious reasons.

I added the following pages to the Category:Liberalism category: Social liberalism, Economic liberalism, Libertarianism, and Conservative liberalism.  Again, that seemed fairly obvious.

I removed Socialism from Category:Political movements and added Category:Socialism to Category:Political movements in Socialism's place.

I did the same thing with Fascism, Conservatism, Liberalism, Libertarianism, and Anarchism.

Noticing that under both Category:Anarchism and Category:Socialism, there were a number of articles about concepts promoted with the respective ideologies (e.g., Working class, Class struggle), I opted to add a few articles about concepts promoted by libertarianism to the Category:Libertarianism category as well (e.g., Free market, Abolitionism).

I made a minor edit to Margaret Keane in order to simplify a word and add a comma.

Finally, I also created two new categories, Category:Libertarians and Category:Anarcho-capitalists.

All in all, I doubt anyone will find any of these edits controversial.

allixpeeke (talk) 16:09, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Allixpeeke: thank you for the detailed explanation. I don't see anything strange in any of that. The only part I'd question is that Category:Anarcho-capitalists was created with only two entries, instead of the three we want in article categories. @Lithorien: can you be more specific about what looked strange to you? --Auntof6 (talk) 18:06, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Allixpeeke and other readers, I was going to not comment at first, but I to some extent see some controversy here. Anarcho-capitalists and Libertarians are not mainstream and they are considered political views. The same as with religions, I do not like to see any of these categorisations added to a Biography, especially of someone living without sources or at the very least, a specific mention in the article that strictly states this is true for the person. I was first alarmed when I noticed Jimbo Wales getting added to Category:Libertarians because his article says: He also says that he is a libertarian to some extent... but does not have a source of any kind for that. I see that Justin Raimondo has been added to Category:Anarcho-capitalists but his article is a one sentence stub with only a hint that he might be 'anti-war'. Also some of the people who are not still living such as Robert A. Heinlein have been added to Libertarian without a mention of this as their view in their article here. I wish the step would be taken first before just HotCat-ing in a category, that the article could be updated to support the category and please provide a source, when it might be controversial for a living person. I am just a little prickly for supporting categories with factual content. Fylbecatulous talk 18:16, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Auntof6, it was that I knew we had more strict rules about category creation than some other wikis combined with the two year gap in editing that Allixpeeke had. I didn't want to assume bad faith and go, "Oh, that's vandalism," so I thought I'd ask here. That's all. --Lithorien (talk) 18:26, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
I was going to add but got in edit I am adding that instead of being as described above, the ones I mention were not changing a parent category to a sub-category; they are adding freshly to an article this political concept. Thanks, Fylbecatulous talk 18:29, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Fylbecatulous, with regards to the categorisations you mentioned, I was relying on the [standard] English Wikipedia's categorisations.  E.g., I hardly know anything about Jimmy Wales, but since en:Jimmy Wales is categorised under en:Category:American libertarians, I figured they probably did all the requisite research there to make and verify that determination.  If it turns out that any of the categorisations I made were in error, please accept that they were nevertheless in good faith.  Repectfully yours,
allixpeeke (talk) 18:35, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
In that case, Fylbecatulous, I agree with you. My comments were based on Allixpeeke's description, which didn't mention adding new cats to articles. @Allixpeeke: any category added to an article should be supported in the text. If the category is about anything that is personal or potentially controversial (for example, categories related to politics, criminal acts, sexual orientation, or religion), then it should not only be in the text, it should also have a good reference. It is not enough for it to be supported on English Wikipedia; it must also be supported here. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:46, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Auntof6, you write, "My comments were based on Allixpeeke's description, which didn't mention adding new cats to articles."  I said I created two new categories.  I did not mean to imply that I created these categories and then just left them empty.  An empty category would likely be quickly deleted, rendering the creation of said category a waste of time.  Although it's true that I did not technically 'mention' that I added pages to Category:Libertarians or to Category:Anarcho-capitalists, I did believe it was implied by the fact that I bothered to create them.  I'm sorry I was not more clear in my description above.  Sincerely yours, allixpeeke (talk) 19:15, 24 January 2016 (UTC)
Categories can be populated with other categories, not just articles. The issue comes when people are put into the categories. At the time I wrote that, I hadn't looked at the categories to see what was in them. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:33, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

@Allixpeeke:Thank you for the explanation that made my mind spin. Next time, just use "category conflict". It's simple. PokestarFan (talk) 23:49, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

AWB[change source]

Where can I request for permission for en:WP:AWB? — This unsigned comment was added by PokestarFan (talk • changes).

Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage. Only (talk) 00:55, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

School project coming soon[change source]

Just a note that there will be a school project Monday, February 22, 2016 from 4:00pm-6:00pm UTC. This will be the fourth such project coordinated by Castilibrary. I will be acting as ambassador for the project, so if there are any problems, queries etc., please direct them to either Castilibrary or myself. I will post further information as soon as it is available.--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:03, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Here is last year's project Wikipedia:Schools/Projects/Notable Female Authors for those who are curious about the quality and usefulness of the project.--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:07, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Since this section will get archived before then, would you give us a reminder closer to that date? --Auntof6 (talk) 16:13, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I will post a reminder, and direct editors to the project page when it is created.--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:35, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Copying[change source]

Can we copy info from other Wikipedias, such as the English Wikipedia? PokestarFan (talk) 21:30, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, but you have to put the text in Simple English. And, you have to attribute the original source. //nepaxt 22:11, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
There's some good information on how to do this at Wikipedia:How to copy from another Wikipedia. If you happen to copy from a non-English Wikipedia, never use an automated translation without checking it over -- automated translations are notoriously poor. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:47, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Template:Cite magazine[change source]

On EnWiki, there is a template with the name "Cite magazine" which does not seem to exist here (the blue link here takes you to the template on EnWiki). I was working on an article (Flexagon) which has citations that rely on this template on EnWiki. Rather than reformat the citations, I think it would be a good idea to bring that template over to Simple. It uses Lua modules which I am not as familiar with as regular templates, so rather than boldly creating the template here, I thought it best to discuss first. Etamni | ✉   20:58, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

@Etamni: You can create it as a redirect it to {{Cite journal}} and it should work fine. I can't really tell from the module what exactly changed, but up until Lua was implemented, the template on enwiki was just a redirect. Osiris (talk) 08:51, 4 February 2016 (UTC)
@Osiris: Done. And it seems to have worked. Thanks. Etamni | ✉   09:08, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Fox tail as energy store[change source]

The fox article says that a fox's tail is a "food store for wintertime". Something like a camel's hump storing water? I'm pretty sure that is nonsense, but the article is protected so I can't remove it. (talk) 14:38, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

It was added a few years ago. Macdonald-ross, are you able to find a source for it? Google has a very low signal-to-noise ratio for anything related to a fox and its tail. Chenzw  Talk  15:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
Well, our page is really about the genus Vulpes of which there are 11 species. No matter how northern they are, none of them hibernates. Instead, they continue to catch prey, but at a much diminished rate in winter. They do add fat (and longer fur) in winter. Is it disproportionately added to the tail? So far, I do not see a relevant ciation. Our photo of the Arctic fox certainly looks like it is carrying round a pretty hefty tail. I think the wording on the Fox page is now defensible. Macdonald-ross (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Weird error or phishing attempt on Wikipedia[change source]

When I click on the link to my userpage right now, I am getting an error message that starts at the top with "Wikimedia Foundation" followed by a claim that the servers are having a technical problem, a statement that there may be more info available on IRC, followed by a donation request. The same message is repeated in multiple languages. At the very bottom is a "PHP Fatal Error" message. I suspect it's not what it seems. The URL is correct, but something is fishy. Especially when I can search for my declared alt account ("Etamni-m" which redirects to my main user page) and it takes me right there without any error message. (And on the off-chance that the message is legitimate, the foundation really needs to rethink the donation request on the error page as this makes the message look like something a social engineer (i.e. a scam artist) would have written.) Etamni | ✉   18:07, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Are you still getting the error? I accessed your user page just now with no problems, so it could have been a temporary glitch. The donation request on the error page issue is best brought up at Meta: m:Requests for comment probably. I personally didn't know that WMF now appeals for donations on the server error page. Chenzw  Talk  00:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
I was not home to try accessing the account again until now, but all seems to be working correctly. If it happens again, I'll screenshot the message and then test what happens when I log in via my mobile account. Etamni | ✉   08:41, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Definitions of 'Property'[change source]

I could use some help at Talk:Material property from sciencey editors. Osiris (talk) 03:51, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Block[change source]

Can we blcok the IP "" for 1 week for copying articles from EN wikipedia without simplyfing them? Thanks, PokestarFan (talk) 04:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

@ user
This IP has already been blocked. Please report such cases to WP:VIP in future. Also, why would you ask for a block after you have already warned the IP, and the IP has not edited any more after your warnings? Chenzw  Talk  04:15, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Besides that, we usually wouldn't block for a week for a first-time block. When you report a user who might get blocked, leave it to the admins to decide how long the block should be. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:37, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
As another mention related to this; IP users cannot be notified by ping. Notifications are for registered users of Wikipedia and other MediaWiki sites (those with usernames). (See en:WP:PING, the FAQ page). We have the {{Talkback}} template, which I used here: [[1]], for example to talk to an IP about content on another page they might not see. Fylbecatulous talk 22:01, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

New MediaWiki feature: Catwatch[change source]

This new option lets you see when something is added to or removed from a category. (Previously, putting a category in your watchlist only told you if someone changed the category page.) You activate it separately for the "new changes" page and for your watchlist.

To activate this new feature, go to your settings (the tab at the top of the page), to the tabs for "New changes" and "Watchlist". The option is "Hide categorization of pages". It defaults to off (meaning things will work as they always have). To activate the new feature, uncheck the check box on either or both tabs. There's also a new option on the new changes and watchlist pages to show or hide page categorization: I think you have to have unchecked the relevant checkbox on the preferences tabs for those to have any effect.

So try it out and see what you think. Just be aware that if you pick a category that gets a lot of activity, you might flood your watchlist. And please don't add things to categories just to test this. You could test by adding Category:Stubs to your watchlist: you should see a few changes that were made in the last hour.

There's some documentation and examples of what it looks like at --Auntof6 (talk) 10:21, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Special Page request[change source]

I want to request a special page(Special:IPChanges because most vandalism comes from ips. It will log only IP changes. PokestarFan (talk) 19:44, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

What's wrong with Special:RecentChanges? --Lithorien (talk) 19:46, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
Yes. Just go to the new changes page (which Lithorien linked above) and click on the option to hide registered users. I don't think we can create new special pages: they're determined by the software. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:55, 6 February 2016 (UTC)