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Reliable sources[change source]

Hello. There is an article in the standard English Wikipedia that probably fits in this Wikipedia as well, but with sources talked more about here instead of the sources on the original English article.

Article layout proposal and discussion[change source]

I am proposing changes to the guidelines on how an article should be laid out by sections and templates. Please join the discussion by going to Wikipedia_talk:Guide_to_layout#Article_layout_proposal_and_discussion. I look forward to everyone's comments and hopefully we come together as a community to improve simple. Thanks! PDLTalk to me!OMG, What have I done?

How can I delete a sandbox page I made please?[change source]

I maybe learnt this before but I forgot as I don't come here often. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Chidgk1 Hello, if the sandbox is in your userspace, you can add the template {{qd-user}} (speedy deletion for pages in one's own userspace) to the page. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 09:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Either you put a QD-template on the page, or you simply delete its ocntents (will then be dlelted as "user requested deletion or blanked the page"... Eptalon (talk) 23:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The "Change" command[change source]

I have no idea how to use the 'simple' change command when the content is in a table or table-like form. When I try to edit, I get a page about change a template. It's much simpler to use 'Çhange source.' Any ideas? Kdammers (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kdammers, you may be right, I also face problems when I do "change" command. For table related case, I think source code change is appropriate than in visual change. When I try to add pictures in visual edit at the columns of the table, it makes me difficult to do it. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 07:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Renaming of Nanjing Massacre Museum[change source]

Can we rename Nanjing Massacre Museum to Memorial Hall of the Victims in Nanjing Massacre by Japanese Invaders, per enwiki? Asking consent. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 17:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Be bold.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 17:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ok @Gordonrox24. :-) Best DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 01:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, I think it's quite ridiculous to have such a long title when a simpler one would do just as well. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Macdonald-ross, you are right, how about we keep a short title as Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall. And keep this long name (or official name) in the content of the article itself. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 10:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Macdonald-ross: Unless it's the actual name of the place. In any case, whichever one we don't use could be a redirect. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree with you on this @Auntof6. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 16:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Input not listed?[change source]

Why don't I see my input on this page in my "My pages" list? Kdammers (talk) 21:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Curious: This (right above) is listed, but my 4 August entry is not. Kdammers (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kdammers: Where are you seeing a "My pages" list? -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I meant "My changes."16:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Kdammers (talk) 16:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Kdammers: I see three changes from you on 4 August, one here and two on Fort Morgan, Colorado. Can you provide some screenshots to help us figure this out? It would help to have the following screenshots:
  • The top of your "My changes" list with "Find changes" expanded so we can see what options you have in effect. (There could be some option that's suppressing your 4 August entry.)
  • The part of the "My changes" display that spans your 4 August entry (that is, it includes changes both before and after the spot where that change should appear)
  • The very bottom of your "My changes" display
Then we can start to check this. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This was a transitory problem, so I can't provide a screen shot. If it happens again, I try to get a screen shot. Kdammers (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Journal[change source]

I need some help citing an Academic Journal I found, I am too confused even on the visual editor on how to do it. Is there a page that can help me? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@つがる: Have you looked at the documentation for Template:Cite journal? -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks for the link. I actually figured it out now! Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Archiving bot[change source]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Clear consensus for RfC 1 & RfC 2 closed as successful & approved -- Enfcer (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We are left still wanting an archive bot. I've offered up Bot873 until Sassobot comes back to work. After a successful trial and first authorized run, I wanted to write here shine a light on a few details.

Check your archiving bot configs[change source]

This is to remind everyone that if you are using the {{bots}} template on your talk page, you need to check your configs. Currently Bot873 will only run in the User talk namespace where there is a {{User:MiszaBot/config}} (see User:MiszaBot/config) set AND there is either no {{bots}} template at all or where the {{bots}} template is used like this: {{bots}}, {{bots|allow=all}}, or {{bots|allow=Bot873}}.

The bot will ignore all pages that use {{nobots}} or use the {{bots}} template with |allow=Sassobot, deny=all, or deny=Bot873.

If you are new to archiving your talkpages auto-magically, there are several examples on the User:MiszaBot/config page and practical implementations on various pages.

RfC #1: Use of the bots template in Wikipedia namespace[change source]

The {{bots}} template is currently used on many Wikipedia namespace pages in conjunction with {{User:MiszaBot/config}}. Currently, the {{bots}} template is explicitly only allows Sassobot (allow=Sassobot). This will prevent Bot873 from running on those pages. To proceed with archiving operations, the community will need to decide on one of the following:

  1. Remove the {{bots}} template from all Wikipedia namespace pages and use {{nobots}} where bot activity should be specifically forbidden, if required.
  2. Remove allow=Sassbot from the {{bots}} templates that are currently on Wikipedia namespace pages. This would implicitly allow bot activity from any approved bot.
  3. Append the {{bots}} templates used in the Wikipedia namespace with allow=Sassobot,Bot873 to allow either bot to archive the page with the template.

Support[change source]

Oppose[change source]

Comments[change source]

RfC #2: Bot873 to archive project/Wikipedia pages[change source]

With a successful first production run, Bot873 is ready to be offered to the community to take up duties archiving project/Wikipedia pages as needed. Once RfC #1 is settled, the bot is ready to take over from Sassobot until such time as Sassobot returns. With community consent, Bot873 will happily get to work. However, to repeat, RfC #1 above will directly affect this proposal.

Support[change source]

Oppose[change source]

Comments[change source]

Thanks for all the patience and input! Operator873 connect 05:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not change it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No more changes should be made to this discussion.

Merge help essays[change source]

I think that Wikipedia:Words to avoid in Simple English and Help:Translate English into Simple English are very similar. It seems silly to have a page that only lists one word to avoid, especially when there are more suggestions available on another page. Should we merge them? Lights and freedom (talk) 15:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • I see we have the film / movie again, and once again I'll say the same thing: This was just a decision made, not an example of the simplicity concept. I would delete the page, which is pretty useless. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:19, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Another worth deleting...[change source]

World Party Day doesn't exist, and as far as I know, never did. The page is out-of-date and not independently sourced. Let's get rid of it! Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sent it to RfD --Ferien (talk) 09:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hercules/Herakles/Heracles[change source]

Goodness, what a mess! They all refer to the same demi-god. I want to tidy this up by having one page, since they all refer to the same mythical figure. There's no question that the Greek name came first, and there's no question the Latin name is better known.

En wiki deals with this by having four separate pages and a disambig. I think we should have one page. Your thoughts, please. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

  • Heracles is a redirect to Herakles, so we really just have two (unless there's another page you didn't list). Heracles/Herakles is Greek, while Hercules is Roman. En wiki has separate articles on them, because some of the mythology is different. I think it would be simpler to describe the two on separate pages rather than having one article where we have to point out differences. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

What's with these IP editors editing film and television articles, and how do we fix it?[change source]

A minor problem the last year or so has been IP editors adding unsourced film and TV information to articles. I don't know if it's one LTA doing it, or a group of people acting in good faith or whatever, it's getting to become a bigger problem. Several list articles of television programming had to be semi-protected due to these IPs insisting that their version of the article was correct. What do we do about this? -- Derpdart56 (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I say we need to get Wikiproject Television up and running again. Take stock of what we have and improve it. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I would do it, but I've got Wikiproject Video Games to run, and I don't think running two at once is advisible. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:54, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Biographies[change source]

I note re Hagiography that we don't seem to have a category "Biography", and the page is left with no category at present. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I just created Category:Biographies (books). If hagiographies are always books, it could go there. -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

WikiProject Dead End[change source]

Having read Wikipedia:WikiProject, I have been told to notify you at Simple Talk that I have made a new WikiProject. It is called WikiProject Dead End and aims to add links to dead end articles and possibly other similar things such as adding links to orphaned articles. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We don't do projects. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Macdonald-ross, @SlimyGecko7: We do unofficial ones in userspace. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah there is a option to make unofficial projects. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 17:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is a cool idea! Relatively quick/easy task, and I'm sure there's a lot of articles that could benefit from this. Just remember that not everything in an article can be linked; I recommend checking this enwiki page that provides some beneficial guidance on it. Best, Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No approval[change source]

I do not see an approval request for the bot “Bot873“ to run an archive on simple. Due to this, please stop it from running immediately as it violates the Wikipedia bot policy by not having approval from the community to run on user pages. An admin, let alone a global sysop, should know they are not allowed to do this and they are not above the rules as much as they think they are.

Please ignore this message, an IP has post it with intentions to distract us. Also the bot is approved so no more questions.--DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 04:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@TTP1233 It was not approved by the community on simple for archiving or else it would have been doing it for years instead of four other bots doing it. So you are wrong! Try again. I’ll make sure to point this out to WMF since this is an abuse of his powers just like reading peoples DMs on IRC and their emails sent through WP. 2600:387:15:1118:0:0:0:9 (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Only crats and sysop can approve, not community. The bot is approved recently if I'm not wrong. And it is working well. Sorry without any evidence, we can't consider your message. If you still beleive something is wrong, report it to WP:AN. I'm not interested to make an edit warring. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 14:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
See Wikipedia talk:Bots#Bot873 and our policy regarding bots. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And #Archiving bot where there is an extremely clear consensus from the community... --Ferien (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Delay of the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election[change source]

Hi all,

I am reaching out to you today with an update about the timing of the voting for the Board of Trustees election.

As many of you are already aware, this year we are offering an Election Compass to help voters identify the alignment of candidates on some key topics. Several candidates requested an extension of the character limitation on their responses expanding on their positions, and the Elections Committee felt their reasoning was consistent with the goals of a fair and equitable election process.

To ensure that the longer statements can be translated in time for the election, the Elections Committee and Board Selection Task Force decided to delay the opening of the Board of Trustees election by one week - a time proposed as ideal by staff working to support the election.

Although it is not expected that everyone will want to use the Election Compass to inform their voting decision, the Elections Committee felt it was more appropriate to open the voting period with essential translations for community members across languages to use if they wish to make this important decision.

The voting will open on August 23 at 00:00 UTC and close on September 6 at 23:59 UTC.

Please find this message translated in additional languages here.

Best regards,

On behalf of the Elections Committee

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 09:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Enquiry about User:Djsasso[change source]

@Djsasso is currently inactive for a long time since 1 June 2022, if I'm not wrong. May I know why this user is inactive at this moment? DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 14:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@TTP1233: Have you tried contacting them? There might not be anyone here who knows the reason. If anyone knows, they may be unwilling or unauthorized to say. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
(talk page stalker) Yea I found it a bit odd he has been inactive this long of a time, however he might just be busy IRL. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I hope it's not something more serious, or even permanent. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I sent Djsasso a talk page message and an email about SassoBot a few months ago now, and he has not responded to either of them unfortunately. Completely disconnected from IRC as well that he was previously on. So I haven't seen anything from him in months now. I hope he is doing alright. --Ferien (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Invitation to join Movement Strategy Forum[change source]

Hello everyone,

The Movement Strategy Forum (MS Forum) is a multilingual collaborative space for all conversations about Movement Strategy implementation. It provides a great opportunity to share your Movement Strategy(MS) work, find collaborators, and get even more support and ideas for your MS projects. We are inviting all Movement participants to collaborate on the MS Forum. The goal of the forum is to build community collaboration using an inclusive multilingual platform.

The Movement Strategy is a collaborative effort to imagine and build the future of the Wikimedia Movement. Anyone can contribute to the Movement Strategy, from a comment to a full-time project.

Join this forum with your Wikimedia account, say hi here and go ahead and join or start a conversation on the recommendation you are most passionate about! Feel free to discuss your MS project ideas and plans or even reports from MS projects you have worked on. To get started, you can also watch this video.

The Movement Strategy and Governance team (MSG) launched the proposal for this MS Forum in May. After a 2-month review period, we have just published the Community Review Report. It includes a summary of the discussions, metrics, and information about the next steps.

We look forward to seeing you at the MS Forum!

Best regards,

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 09:41, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Requesting move of Murugan to Kartikeya in line with English wikipedia.[change source]

Requesting move of Murugan to Kartikeya in line with English wikipedia. Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I'm facing problem to move as Kartikeya is made as redirect page. @TDKR Chicago 101 can you please do the needful? DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 11:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)Reply[reply]