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Prototype for editing Wikidata infoboxes on Wikipedia[change source]


I’m sorry for writing in English. It’d be great if someone could translate this message if necessary.

One of the most requested features for Wikidata is to enable editing of Wikidata’s data directly from Wikipedia, so the editors can continue their workflow without switching websites.

The Wikidata development team has been working on a tool to achieve this goal: fill and edit the Wikipedia infoboxes with information from Wikidata, directly on Wikipedia, via the Visual Editor.

We already asked for feedback in 2015, and collected some interesting ideas which we shared with you in this thesis. Now we would like to present to you our first prototype and collect your feedback, in order to improve and continue the development of this feature.

We present this work to you very early, so we can include your feedback before and all along the development. You are the core users of this feature, so we want to make sure that it fits your needs and editing processes.

You will find the prototype, description of the features, and a demo video, on this page. Feel free to add any comment or feedback on the talk page. The page is currently not translated in every languages, but you can add your contribution by helping to translate it.

Unfortunately, I won’t be able to follow all the discussions on Wikipedia, so if you want to be sure that your feedback is read, please add it on the Wikidata page, in your favorite language. Thanks for your understanding.

Thanks, Lea Lacroix (WMDE)

New notification when a page is connected to Wikidata[change source]

Hello all,

(Please help translate to your language)

The Wikidata development team is about to deploy a new feature on all Wikipedias. It is a new type of notification (via Echo, the notification system you see at the top right of your wiki when you are logged in), that will inform the creator of a page, when this page is connected to a Wikidata item.

You may know that Wikidata provides a centralized system for all the interwikilinks. When a new page is created, it should be connected to the corresponding Wikidata item, by modifying this Wikidata item. With this new notification, editors creating pages will be informed when another editor connects this page to Wikidata.

Screenshot Echo Wikibase notification.png

This feature will be deployed on May 30th on all the Wikipedias, excepting English, French and German. This feature will be disable by default for existing editors, and enabled by default for new editors.

This is the first step of the deployments, the Wikipedias and other Wikimedia projects will follow in the next months.

If you have any question, suggestion, please let me know by pinging me. You can also follow and leave a comment on the Phabricator ticket.

Thanks go to Matěj Suchánek who developed this feature!

Thank you! Lea Lacroix (WMDE) (talk)

Accessible editing buttons[change source]

Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 22:22, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

This happened yesterday. Please ping me if you run into questions. We have one bug report open at the moment. Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Image[change source]

Hi, I wanted to add this template to this project however upon previewing it it's a complete mess .... so instead of creating a template can I just screen capture it and have it here as a picture?,
I know screen caps are fine but I wasn't sure if it was fine to use it in an article as a picture instead of a template so figured I'd ask first,
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 23:11, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

@Davey2010: You would need to upload it to Wikimedia Commons, not here. Simple English Wikipedia doesn't host media files, except for a very few that are specific to this site. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:52, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
Hi Auntof6, Oh no sorry I know it has be uploaded to Commons but I mean instead of using that template here could I just screen capture that image, upload it and then use it an article here instead of an actual template?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 00:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
I don't know why not, but I feel like I'm missing something in your question. Do you have a specific concern about doing that? What is messy about it?--Auntof6 (talk) 01:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
When I copied and pasted the above template to a templatespace here, It looked like this and so instead of trying figure out how to fix it I simply thought screencapping the EN template and then uploading it here would be a better idea (So instead of an article having the template it would be a picture instead),
There wasn't really any concerns but I wasn't sure if it was okay to do it that was all :),
Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 02:32, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, I see that we're missing some templates that the routemap template is trying to use. Maybe you just need to bring over those additional templates. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:53, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
To answer the original question, it is not recommended that templates from other wikis be captured as a screenshot and then used for illustrative purposes on this wiki. The original template (and dependents) should be imported. I have done that (and also migrated some of the existing templates to use the Lua module), and it looks fine now. The template is available for general usage at {{Chatham Main Line}}. Give me a ping if more oddities appear. Chenzw  Talk  12:25, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
Unfortunately with this project when you create one template you then need to create another and then another and it never seems to end,
Ah thanks Chenzw - I have no idea why that never appeared as I did obviously search first, As for the image I didn't think I could but wanted to check just incase I was wrong, Okie dokie thanks both for your help :), –Davey2010Talk 12:42, 11 July 2017 (UTC)
That is however, what you need to do. That is how we grow. -DJSasso (talk) 12:10, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Future events[change source]

To anyone who creates articles about future events: please be sure to go back at the appropriate time and update your articles to reflect that the event has occurred. Such events could include movie and video game releases, elections, and more. If you have trouble remembering to go back to do the update, try to write the article in a way that won't become outdated when the date passes, or just wait until the date passes before creating the article.

One helpful template for this kind of thing is {{Template:After date}}. This lets you specify different text depending on whether a given date has passed. For example, if a movie is going to be released on September 30, 2017, you could code something like this:

The movie {{after date|2017|9|30|was released|will be released}} on September 30, 2017.

Please keep this kind of time-dependent stuff in mind when writing about future things. Also keep in mind that there are notability guidelines for some types of future events. We want to keep categories such as Category:Future events, Category:Upcoming movies, and Category:Upcoming video games as clean as possible. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:26, 18 July 2017 (UTC)

Syntax highlighting[change source]

Wikitext syntax highlighting is now available as a Beta Feature. Please check it out and if you have any feedback, please let is know at meta:Talk:Community Tech/Wikitext editor syntax highlighting. Enjoy! Ryan Kaldari (WMF) (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2017 (UTC)

Page Previews (Hovercards) update[change source]

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 22:32, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Proposal: Abuse/Edit filter managers[change source]

Chrissymad (who was too lazy to write a proposal) brought this up on IRC, and I thought it was quite an interesting proposal. In light of the recent influx of LTAs, (including one or two that require particular attention due to the content of their vandalism) it would be useful for (trusted) non-admins to have access to private abuse filters, and edit them. Obviously, this would require a new user right. The right would only need to include two flags; abusefilter-modify and managechangetags (in order to assign tags to filters), and could either be assigned by crats or administrators. The flag for two-factor authentication, oathauth-enable, would also be useful for security reasons. A relevant section would be created at WP:RFP. I'd like to hear what other people would think about this. :) --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 15:23, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

  • Support Obviously. And to expand a little bit, I believe this right is necessary as there has been a significant increase in xwiki vandalism/LTAs that compromise the project, one in particular (I'll leave nameless) has done so much damage to a specific category of BLPs that most of the good faith reverts back to "good" versions are still reverts back to one of his hundreds of IP socks. This would enable experienced and trusted users to deal with the filter portion and LTAs without bogging down admins with constant requests that are often time sensitive. Obviously admins will still need to do the blocking but at the very least the filters can prevent some of the issue and identify targets easily. There's obviously a lot about this that falls under WP:BEANS but I'd be happy to discuss it in greater detail if necessary. Chrissymad (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support One concern I'd have is that people know not to write rules that prevent specific words from being used at all, regardless of context. We want to prevent vandalism, not censor. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:51, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Auntof6 FWIW most filters are for identifying rather than preventing, so I don't think we'd run into that problem. Chrissymad (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
      • The operative word being "most". We'd need the selected people to understand both things. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:25, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - While I support this, we need to figure out, is this going to be given like wp:ROLLBACK or wp:Patroller and given after request and review by an Admin or Crat, or are we going to require a community discussion like at wp:RfA. Also is this going to be a right that expires and requires a new discussion to keep them, say yearly. Also who will have the right to give this, Admin or Crat. All this needs to be figured out if we go forward with this request. -- Enfcer (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
With the power that is capable in the abuse filter, I personally think that we should require a community discussion, at a minimum, and would support the right be temporary, and given with a maximum term of 1 year term, to be reviewed via a re-conformation discussion yearly. But at minimum an wp:RfA type discussion. -- Enfcer (talk) 19:56, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support I think it's a good proposal and it could certainly help the project. I also agree with Enfcer that this right should only be be given after a RFA-style community discussion. However I'm not sure I support the point that people with the right should be subject to yearly review - mainly because no other useright (admin, oversighter ect.) has to have the same process. --Crasstun (talk | contributions) 18:25, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
    • Actually, they do, in a way. Admins (which includes crats, since crats have to be admins) have to remain active to keep their rights. Not very active, though. I think we have to make 100 edits a year, and those edits don't have to be administrator work. It's purely an activity requirement -- review of what an admin does can be done at any time. I think it would be reasonable to have the same requirement for people with this new right. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:12, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
      • I was throwing it out there as a mere suggestion, but there are certain Global rights, where they have to come back Yearly for review, m:Interface_editors being the first one that comes to mind. With that, right, they can edit anyone's .css and .js, and drastically change how the web page acts, and it is my analogy that the same should be applied to this right to non-admins. Since admins will lose their adminship for not maintaining edit / log count, and therefore access to this right, so I feel it should have a similar restriction, but temporary at 1 year intervals is easier then maintaining edit / log counts for these users. -- Enfcer (talk) 02:53, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
        • As it happens I didn't actually that some rights were subject to annual reviews. Now I know, I think it's entirely reasonable for filter managers to have a similar level of scrutiny so I'll retract my original opposition to it. --Crasstun (talk | contributions) 13:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support - going somewhat against my decision to stay mute on the project, I believe this would be a significant benefit to the Simple English Wikipedia. I entirely agree with the above idea to make it a temporary (1 year) right, if only to ensure that long disused accounts don't hold the right should they get compromised. I support the notion that a community discussion should be had over each application of the right. To bring the English Wikipedia into this (something I know I need to stop doing!), the right is given to non-administrators after a week long discussion and often requires non-admins to prove a working knowledge of the abusefilter extension and/or regex - something which I would urge to be echoed here given the edit filter's ability to cause widespread disruption through a simple mistake. Either way, it's a good step forward -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 11:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
  • While it appears we are moving in the direction that this will be accepted, we need to address the second issue, of who will issue the rights. Is this going to be a Crat Grant or will we allow Admin's to grant this. --Enfcer (talk) 04:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
It is my thought and opinion, that if we are going to go through an RfA style discussion, that it should be limited to a Crat giving the right. -- Enfcer (talk) 04:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
I think the community here is small enough that having this a 'crat given right would make sense, providing we have enough active 'crats? (it'll give them something to do as well!) -- There'sNoTime (to explain) 07:26, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Yeah to give admin like risky powers takes a 'crat in my opinion. It's not like we are over worked. -DJSasso (talk) 11:30, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
  • Support Should be year-limited, should take a 'crat. Only thing I'm not sure about is if it needs a discussion every year, or simply an approbation by a 'crat (or two). StevenJ81 (talk) 15:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
Could just use the same basic procedure as Wikipedia:Inactive administrators except make it edit filter edits, although not sure how easy that would be to track. -DJSasso (talk) 15:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Rename request: New York to New York (state), New York (disambiguation) to New York[change source]

Recently, English Wikipedia decided to rename New York to New York (state), because "New York" is frequently also used to refer to New York City. I propose doing the same thing here. Od Mishehu (talk) 07:39, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

This could be a good idea, because the plain ambiguous term would be at the dab page, and because we wouldn't have the problem of incorrect links when articles are copied from enwiki to here. It would take some planning to make the changes in the correct order and to change all the links to the state. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:22, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Did anyone get their tech news today?[change source]

I noticed some failures to deliver the tech news today, with an error code of "readonly". One of the failures was to my page, which isn't protected. See Special:Log/massmessage for details. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:13, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Same happened to me. I just went to Meta to read it. J991 18:35, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
I got mine, but I get mine delivered to my Meta talk page, not here. StevenJ81 (talk) 19:33, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Sometimes the wiki goes into readonly mode for a couple seconds for various reasons, probably was a case of some sort of issues with wikimedia servers at some point today. -DJSasso (talk) 23:14, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Search template[change source]

Another editor and me made a search template on the English Wikipedia. It is called {{Friendly search suggestions}}. I would like to use it here on the Simple Wikipedia. Is that okay? I don't know if it will work. --Barbara (WVS) (talk) 01:24, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

It would likely work here and I can bring it over. But I am not sure if it is a good fit here or not. It is obviously useful, but unlike en we don't typically spam article talk pages with banners. -DJSasso (talk) 23:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

City[change source]

Is England an city ? — This unsigned comment was added by (talk • changes) at 17:14, 26 July 2017‎.

No. England is one of the subdivisions of the United Kingdom. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:25, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Well, um, there is an England, Arkansas (en). StevenJ81 (talk) 19:09, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
It's just a meme lol. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 19:49, 26 July 2017 (UTC)