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Problem with User:Wwikix and categorization[change source]

I have a bigger problem with the vast amount of category work that User:Wwikix is doing around here.

  1. In the particular case we're discussing above, there are both categories of "Jewish terrorist" and "Israeli terrorist". Whether I agree or not with the general characterization, I will admit that there are categories of Israeli terrorists, Palestinian terrorists, and other terrorists of various nationalities. There is no category of terrorists based on religion except for "Jewish terrorists", even though we have plenty of Muslim ones (for example) in Wikipedia. Similarly, there are "Jewish criminals" but no "Christian criminals" or "Muslim criminals". So I am quite concerned that there is an agenda here.
  2. More generally, WWikix is adding a depth of categorization here at Simple English Wikipedia that we have consciously rejected in the past. I think the entire body of category work needs to be reviewed and probably reversed.
  3. We're all for allowing people banned and blocked elsewhere to have a fresh start here. But User:Wwikix is topic-banned on nlwiki and indeffed on enwiki for work on categories without consensus. I think we need to put the brakes on this category work and make some decisions as to what should happen here. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:18, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I think these are important issues. Wwikix has certainly violated our general agreement to limit categories, in a wholesale manner and without discussion. I would favour a complete reversal, because either we enforce our will, or our joint agreements are worthless. The changes did not arise out of natural development of articles, but out of his unilateral decisions.
    Second, it is obnoxious to use categories to pillory any religion (or indeed any group) in a selective manner. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:39, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I've also had concerns with some of Wwikix's category work. In some cases, I have reversed what he did. For example, he wanted to put academics under scientists, and I undid that. I've seen a lot of his categorizing that I thought was good, but I haven't checked all his work.
As for the Jewish aspect, I've had conversations before on various Wikimedia projects about this, and apparently being Jewish is an ethnic group as well as being a religion. Enwiki has their category en:Category:Jews under ethnoreligious groups, people by ethnicity, and people by religion. So we also need to ask, do we want to categorize by ethnic group in various categories? I think in general we categorize by nationality, but I haven't checked the kinds of categories we have for people of ethnic groups. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:02, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
I take the point, and as a general rule even agree with it. But in these particular cases it almost uniquely calls out Jews as being terrorists or criminals, and I'm uncomfortable with that. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
You might be interested in the enwiki policy at WP:BLPCAT. Basically it says a person's religion should not be mentioned unless 1) they self-identify as a certain religion and 2) it is notable, according to RS. Also it says that templates and categories should not be used to suggest that a living person has a poor reputation. At one time I also found a lot of RFCs around the topic of bias categories and branding individuals as bigots via templates; if anyone is really interested, the links are on this talk page. —Neotarf (talk) 17:12, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Note: for the time being, I have removed Wwikix's patroller right so that it will be easier to monitor the categories he creates. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:22, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Hammadsaeed's articles[change source]

Hi all...could anyone take a look at articles created by User:Hammadsaeed? I don't have much time to look st them and I'm only on mobile for a while. There seem to be major sourcing issues and notability concerns. One or two seem to have been deleted on the English Wikipedia as well. Thanks, Only (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Only sir

All articles are with references you can check,, the articles were deleted because i did'nt give any proper references on English Wiki but on Simple English articles are with References. And there was no issue of notability but there was issue of Sock puppetry on english wiki

[1] and also by BBC urdu [2] and

recently on 13 november 2016 there was A bomb blasted in Shrine of Shah Noorani more than 54 killed.[3] and Shah Noorani was a Tab'in the term tabi'n is for the person who see Muhammad Sahabas [4] and it was reported by Express News[5] User:Hammadsaeed (talk) 08:11,11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Hammadsaeed: Please stop putting article content here. Put it in the article instead. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:12, 11 March 2017 (UTC)

@Auntof6: sorry and i already put in article too.

i just want to clear.. Hammad Bukhari (talk) 02:52, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

When a page has references...[change source]

This is a reminder: when a page has references, please be sure to include a references section with a {{reflist}} template (or equivalent). If you don't, the references still display, but they're at the very bottom of the page, which isn't necessarily where they should be. We want to be able to control where the references appear, and there needs to be a heading, so please be sure to include these in articles that have references. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 20:42, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Help[change source]

Sir, Widr deleted my wiki page named as: I request you to restore my page. Sir It is protected by creating. Sir, If you need more refrences regarding that article. I will provide you a lot. Or contact me at this mail please backup my page. Mukti1 (talk) 01:48, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

This article was deleted on English Wikipedia, not here. This is Simple English Wikipedia. Please ask about this deletion on English Wikipedia. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:05, 15 March 2017 (UTC) caught in spam filter[change source]

Hi, I am unable to add a link to the official website for the news service Syria Direct. The error message says this is because of a spam filter for the site, however it looks like is no longer active. Syria Direct looks to me like a legitimate source, that anyone should be able to use on Wikipedia. Does anyone know how to fix this? —Neotarf (talk) 17:45, 15 March 2017 (UTC)

I think the easiest way is to find the abuse filter causing it and fix it.
I'm not an admin here and cannot do this myself, but hopefully somebody else can Computer Fizz (talk) 05:19, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Not likely an edit filter. A spam filter is different. -DJSasso (talk) 11:15, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
It is probably on the global blacklist as we don't really keep a local blacklist of spam sites. Go take a look at meta:Spam blacklist and request help there. They might be able to help you. -DJSasso (talk) 11:15, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
Okay thanks, I have asked there. Yes, it is global, does the same thing on another wiki. Since this seems to be good place for answers, can anyone tell me 1) how to turn off the extended edit count information for X!'s tools on enwiki? I removed the code they give you but it's still displaying an extended count. 2) autoblocks are being triggered with displaying user names, linking an unsuspecting person's identity in real life with their user name, for instance see this comment. —Neotarf (talk) 23:26, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Embedding IRC right into Wikipedia[change source]

After a few months of being lazy, I finally got around to making IRC work in Wikipedia.

All I need for it to function is for an admin to add this to MediaWiki:Common.js

document.getElementById("ircmain").innerHTML = '<iframe src="" style="border:0; width:100%; height:450px;"></iframe>';

and then it can be accessed here: WP:IRC channels/Main

Pinging admins: @Auntof6, Bsadowski01, Chenzw, Macdonald-ross, Peterdownunder: Computer Fizz (talk) 19:50, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

Simple question: why? As in why did you make it and why do you think it's something we'd ever want or need? Only (talk) 22:04, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Because I don't think people should have to install something to use IRC. Besides, the real question is why not. Computer Fizz (talk) 22:34, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
Since when do you have to install something to make IRC work? doesn't require you to install anything. So the answer to "why not" is because there's no need for it, there's no demand for it, and there's no connection between IRC and Wikipedia as it is so why would we implement it on our wiki? Only (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2017 (UTC)
It doesn't do any good to ping me on this. I don't understand that kind of coding well enough to feel comfortable changing it. I also don't understand what the purpose of it would be. I've used IRC before without installing anything here, and I favor not installing unneeded code because it just needs maintenance in the future, maintenance that there might be no one around to handle at the time. --Auntof6 (talk) 04:00, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
It would not need maintenance because the code literally could not be more simpler.
On the other hand, everyone was OK with this when I asked like a year ago. Probably should have made sure that was still the case.
Hmm...Computer Fizz (talk) 05:32, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
All code can potentially need maintenance for a variety of reasons. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:17, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
do you have a link to the discussion where "everyone was ok with this"? Only (talk) 11:08, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I see no consensus to go ahead with this. Macdonald-ross (talk) 11:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
  • I feel like we had some sort of related discussion about this but I could be misremembering. What I remember is that it was soundly rejected. Of which I agree. -DJSasso (talk) 11:08, 20 March 2017 (UTC)

We invite you to join the movement strategy conversation (now through April 15)[change source]

05:09, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

Requests for permissions[change source]

Are there any active admins or bureaucrats here? I requested Importer permissions a week ago for copying over an English Wikipedia template, but no-one seems to have noticed. Assistance would be appreciated. Thanks, Jc86035 (talkcontribs) 10:34, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

I replied on the request page. Sorry we didn't reply sooner. There are so few requests there that sometimes it takes us a while to notice them. A reminder at WP:AN never hurts! --Auntof6 (talk) 21:15, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

On a related note, I am wondering if we shouldn't take that off the list of things on that page that can be requested. It is not something we typically give out and personally I am not sure we ever really should except in special cases. -DJSasso (talk) 11:08, 20 March 2017 (UTC)