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Broken RC after unlocking of database[change source]

Just a heads up, shortly after the maintenance window ended, an issue with the MediaWiki job queue led to edits completely dropping off Recent Changes. Affected diff IDs are 5375922 to 5375941, a window approximately 30 minutes long. Since the recent changes IRC feed (irc.wikimedia.org) was also down, bots which relied on the RC feed were not able to perform any task, most significantly User:ChenzwBot.

I have gone through every diff in that window and reverted any vandalism accordingly. Anyone interested in a closer look can use Special:Diff/<diff number>. Chenzw  Talk  15:37, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

@Chenzw: Thank you for doing that! Outstanding! ... How can I check this on Ladino Wikipedia, where I am an admin/'crat? StevenJ81 (talk) 16:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
Since there appear to be no edits made after the maintenance window, you should make an edit to a page first, so that you can get the diff ID of the most recent edit (anywhere on your userpage would be a good idea). After that, in RC, look at the URL of the diff link - curid=nnnn&diff=xxxxxx. Diff xxxxxx will be the upper bound for your checks, while the lower bound will be the most recent edit before the maintenance - for ladwiki, that would be diff 154411 by MediaWiki message delivery. Once you have both the lower and upper limits of the diff ID, you can just increment the diff ID by one and manually check through each edit through Special:Diff/<diff id>. Chenzw  Talk  16:38, 19 April 2016 (UTC)
TY. There may very well have been no edits during the window at all, but I do want to check. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:49, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia to the Moon[change source]

Hello! Sorry that this is in English only, but we are using village pump messaging in order to reach as many language communities as possible. Wrong page? Please fix it here.

This is an invitation to all Wikipedians: Wikimedia Deutschland has been given data space to include Wikipedia content in an upcoming mission to the Moon. (No joke!) We have launched a community discussion about how to do that, because we feel that this is for the global community of editors. Please, join the discussion on Meta-Wiki (and translate this invitation to your language community)! Best, Moon team at Wikimedia Deutschland 15:35, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Could Talk:Main Page be semi-protected?[change source]

Would it be possible to protect the talk page for the main page so those who would not know how to use it could not disrupt it like they've been doing recently? Thanks, << S O M E G A D G E T G E E K >> (talk) 22:21, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm usually hesitant to protect talk pages, but I've semi-protected this one for a week. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:29, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Of all talk pages, no I don't think I would ever protect that talk page. Its probably the only talk page on the wiki that should never be protected. -DJSasso (talk) 11:22, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

How are "child unfriendly" topics handled on EN.simplewiki?[change source]

How are "child unfriendly" topics handled on EN.simplewiki? For example topics related to violence and sexual themes? Are there particular rules/policies or unofficial practices? WhisperToMe (talk) 19:03, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: Policies say there isn't any censorship (Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#What Wikipedia is not). Thanks, Rubbish computer (HALP!: I dropped the bass?) 19:08, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
There are no special rules. Articles on these subjects (and all subjects) are to be written from a neutral point of view in order to present information in a straightforward way. Wikipedia is not censored. There can be information and images that may not be suitable for children. Children are part of our target audience because their English skills are still developing, but we do not cater to them. We expect their parents and guardians to control what they do on the internet, including this site. --Auntof6 (talk) 19:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
Thank you for clarifying the matter. It was really in relation to the efforts to develop the Simple French Wikipedia. WhisperToMe (talk) 19:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
That sounds like quite a challenge, WhisperToMe. How are you defining "simple French"? What stage is the Simple French Wikipedia in now? If it's live, I'd be interested in looking at it. If you'd like to know more about the challenges and issues we've had as a simple version of another Wikipedia, feel free to ask on my talk page or email me. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:19, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
@Auntof6: The discussion page is here: meta:Requests_for_new_languages/Wikipedia_French_Simple_3. Langcom is deciding whether to give final approval. There is an established simple French version, en:Français fondamental WhisperToMe (talk) 03:31, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
Yeah its very important to remember that children are not the target, they just are a target of the wiki, but more due to a side effect of being simple rather than actively trying to target them. So in saying that we don't censor anything, that is up to a child's parent. -DJSasso (talk) 11:19, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
@WhisperToMe: I think your project sounds like a great idea. In my opinion, the most important thing is to have a clearly defined standard for articles, with a clear understanding of who the target audience is, and how you will handle articles that don't meet the standard. Also, be aware that a wiki aimed at younger readers will attract a higher-than-normal level of vandalism -- you'll want a bot set up ready to fight as much of it as possible. As for child-unfriendly topics, here we follow the "Wikipedia is not censored" line of thought, but I think you are free to propose standards to (and for) your community that differ from those used here (making sure, of course, that you don't violate any WMF rules). Etamni | ✉   04:14, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I received an off-wiki communication regarding this subject. The person who e-mailed me suggested that if the Simple French Wikipedia targets articles at both younger readers who are native French speakers, as well as adults for whom French is a second language, that individual articles should be tagged to indicate the target audience. (Full disclosure: The person who e-mailed me acknowledged being blocked on this site at this time. I am sharing the idea because I think it has merit, and in fact, I almost made the same suggestion when I wrote the preceding comment above.) Etamni | ✉   16:24, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
That idea was rejected here because it smacks of censorship. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
I'm not sure I understand. If an article were tagged as being written for younger readers, or if there was a tag that indicated that an article was written for adult English (or French) learners, this would imply censorship? It's not clear what you mean by this. As someone who once tutored adult ESL students, I can assure you there is a difference between the materials written for teaching young learners their primary language, and teaching adults a second language. All of the materials are "family friendly" -- we aren't talking about controversial or "adult" subjects -- but the materials themselves are written by professional educators with different learners in mind. In any case, I wasn't proposing that we adopt that system here on Simple but that WhisperToMe might consider the idea for a Simple French Wikipedia. Etamni | ✉   18:22, 3 May 2016 (UTC)
The problem is that once an article is tagged for one then it either couldn't be or wouldn't be used for the other. Really if they are going to do it, they should do it as we do, target ESL adults and only catch the children as a side effect of being simpler language. That being said, I don't actually see that project ever getting off the ground. WhisperToMe has been pushing for it for years, and the language committee is pretty set on never creating another simple language wiki. If anything I think we are a pretty good example of why another one probably shouldn't be opened. What they do need to start thinking about is if they could add some sort of way to the main language wikis with a simple tab or something on each page to see a simple version of the article, separate communities will never have big enough communities to be effective. -DJSasso (talk) 18:27, 3 May 2016 (UTC)

Template problem[change source]

There is a problem with the QD template when three or more reasons are given for QD. Assuming my wait request is honored at Fashionably Late (album), an example of the problem can be seen there. The person who tagged the article for QD selected three criteria (A1, A4, and G1). When editors add the QD template for a single reason, the usual wording is something to the effect of If you think this article should not be deleted, please add {{Wait}} below this message, and then say why on this article's talk page. Please do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself. The problem is when three or more criteria are selected as the reason for QD. In that case, one of the criteria is selected, and the message reads like this: If you think this G1 should not be deleted, please add {{Wait}} below this message, and then say why on this G1's talk page. Please do not remove this notice from G1s that you have created yourself. I believe that the template should be edited to prevent this behavior, but I'm not sure what is causing it. Etamni | ✉   11:22, 4 May 2016 (UTC)

Of note, this is happening when the template is added via Twinkle, so it might be a Twinkle problem rather than a template problem. I'm not sure if this happens if the template is added manually. I don't know if anyone tags such articles manually. Etamni | ✉   11:31, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@Etamni: Next time I put an article up for QD with 3 reasons I will attempt to do it manually. Lolcats20 (talk) 11:33, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
@Etamni: Test Page this was done manually, and the problem is still there. Lolcats20 (talk) 11:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
I just conducted my own tests and found that the problem occurs when template:QD-multiple is used, and it is always the third item in the list. If only two criteria are selected, the notice displays correctly. I've looked at the template code and I think I see the problem, but I would like a more experienced template editor to look at it. Etamni | ✉   11:40, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
While it should definitely be fixed, my god people stop at 1 reason, 3 is crazy. Admins who look at it will know if its applicable to others. ;) -DJSasso (talk) 11:52, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
I have made the fix, and also fixed a related bug that will trigger when there are *shudder* 4 QD reasons specified. Like what Dj mentioned, please, two QD reasons is generally more than enough. Yes, most QD-able pages meet multiple QD criteria, but there's not much extra benefit in knowing which ones. Chenzw  Talk  12:01, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
We can always ask people in the instructions not to add more than n reasons ... StevenJ81 (talk) 13:28, 4 May 2016 (UTC)