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DYK update frequency[change source]

Hello all, there's been some back and forth at Wikipedia talk:Did you know however no results were achieved/consensus. I was wondering if we might be able to reach something here or if not if we could direct a vote (if needed) somewhere else.

If you could see the did you know nominations page, there's a large amount of approved hooks in the holding area. We agree that the solution would be to increase the DYK update frequency. Perhaps instead of twice a month we could go back to updating once a week.

Not sure if we could get the ball rolling here since at Wikipedia talk:Did you know there hasn't been much activity/updates about this.

I'd be in favor of updating DYK's once a week/every ten days so that we could knock out some hooks from the holding area. Thoughts? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support I agree, at least till the time we have a lot of accepted nominations -- 💌Ayesha46 (talk) 00:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support We have way too many hooks in the waiting area. QuicoleJR (talk) 17:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Every week is a good idea. Kk.urban (talk) 16:21, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment @Ayesha46:, @QuicoleJR:, @Kk.urban: & @Eptalon: Looking at it, there might be some problems in terms as who will be dedicated in updating the DYKs with a week's frequency. Another alternative soluation that I've found might be to increase the number of hooks per queue. At English Wikipedia, each queue has around 8-9 hooks. Our queues currently holds five hooks. This might be another good alternative possibly if no one's willing to update DYK every week. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 07:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2024: We are back![change source]

Please help translate to your language

Hello, dear Wikipedians!

Wikimedia Ukraine, in cooperation with the MFA of Ukraine and Ukrainian Institute, has launched the forth edition of writing challenge "Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month", which lasts from 1st until 31st March 2024. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural phenomena of Ukraine that are now part of world heritage. We accept contribution in every language! The most active contesters will receive prizes.

We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in your language! Also, we plan to set up a banner to notify users of the possibility to participate in such a challenge! ValentynNefedov (WMUA) (talk)

Dumping ground: Paintings[change source]

Non-notable painting, but notable artist.--Please find 12 thousand votes, uh, whatever is needed to redirect this painting, to the article about the painter.--Is wikipedia now out of the woods, in regard to being spammed in regard to many articles about non-notable paintings (or have i missed spamming campaigns)? --Please also show some mercy to those that are manning the pumps, at Article-for-Delete.--I will be busy fixing other articles. 2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E (talk) 22:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Link, simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fall_by_lake_with_sculpture_(Garau)&action=history. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:422:85F:34CE:2AEE (talk) 21:03, 18 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E[reply]

IP editor, on what grounds are you using that paintings are not notable and should be redirected to the artist instead (or even to RfD)? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On what grounds does user:PDL think that the wiki-article states notability, and demonstrates notability?
The painting exists, and so what.

If user:PDL thinks that the painting is notable, then s/he should consider asking anyone (except me), to insert the Simple-English article at English-wiki.--If my post contradicts the intentions of the project that Jimbo Wales' started, then let me know.

(However, Jimbo Wales did not start the "Yellow Pages for any painting that has been mentioned, on one page, in a book or two, by non-notable authors".)--Please also show some mercy to those that are manning the pumps, at Article-for-Delete. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:6545:D815:ECAB:E065 (talk) 02:09, 19 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:333:B834:E810:92FE:BC67:A72E[reply]
Ok, you seem to have a misunderstanding of what notability means. It doesn't mean that the article shows notability (although including all sourcing helps). We just require that there is enough third-party reliable sources that talk in depth about the subject. Whilst I'm not sure that all paintings meet the criteria, redirecting paintings as a whole as non-notable isn't really suitable.
Whilst the English Wikipedia has a really good editor base, it doesn't mean that something that is notable has to exist there for it to exist on simple. Even if Enwiki had a consensus that all paintings were defacto non-notable, that wouldn't pass through to here.
My suggestion would be one of two things - either make a list of articles that you think aren't suitable, and post them somewhere for a discussion (as we have started this thread, it seems suitable here). We can then get a discussion going and confirm if we think as a group that all/any/none of those articles are notable.
The other thing you can do, now that someone has reverted your redirect is to take that article to AfD for that same discussion I just mentioned. The issue with simply redirecting non-notable isn't so much of a problem with one article, but when you do many it's difficult to catch up and get a consensus afterwards. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 07:07, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fa... b... (G...) (link to article that says NOTHING about notability. (Being in an art-collection, means little. However, being on permanent display at the Louvre or (permanent display at) Germany's national museum: those articles stand a fair chance of not being Deleted, for whatever reason. 2001:2020:321:F3EC:6545:D815:ECAB:E065 (talk) 02:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am only responding to the last and only that comment: The person's work (or works) has: (a) become a significant monument, (b) been a substantial part of a significant exhibition, (c) won significant critical attention, or (d) been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. per w:Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals. Nowhere does it state that it only has to be on a permanent display as the only criteria. And since you made the statement you just made, you answered my previous question that you evaded by your run on turning it on me. That was all I needed to know. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:42, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Mrdamianbro and Mexico stubs[change source]

We have had a lot of questionable Mexican history stubs lately. Many have been complex copy-pastes from EnWP and have been QD'ed. The last couple of stubs are somewhat simplified but now have hand drawn images by https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Mrdamianbro who claims to be a family member.

See "Francisco García Salinas (b. 1786; d.1841), Mexican cabinet minister and governor of the state of Zacatecas. García was born on a hacienda in the state of Zacatecas. He is actually related to one of the user of Wikipedia simple English"

And from Wikimedia File:Francisco García Salinas.jpg "Description English: A sketch of my great great great grandfather Francisco García Salinas."

These are the two so far: Francisco García Salinas and Fernando Rivera y Moncada. Not sure whether we just manage this here, or take it to Wikimedia Commons.

Thanks! --Gotanda (talk) 00:18, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New here—please check my first article![change source]

Hi! I'm new here, but I edit a lot over at the main English Wikipedia.

I just created an article on this wiki based off an article from enwiki, please see User:BhamBoi/Split View Mountain Lodge.

Is it okay to be created here? Thanks! BhamBoi (talk) 01:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@BhamBoi: Hi, and welcome!
That article looks like it meets the requirements for simple language. However, it doesn't say anything about why the subject is notable. I looked at the English Wikipedia article; I think if you add the part about winning an award, and include the references for that, then it would show notability.
Since you are new here, you might be interested in this list I maintain of things that are different on this wiki. The list is not a policy or guideline, but it links to some relevant policies and guidelines. If you have questions about anything on the list, feel free to ask.
Again, welcome, and thanks for contributing here! -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:12, 9 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calling all editors[change source]

We have 135 merge proposals pending. I am sure some of these are old. I figure if we all tackle these, we can clear out a large chunk of it. You can find the pages here! Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 09:03, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I did a couple of these. Is there any technical reason not to redirect {{Automatic archive navigator}}? Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 14:26, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski I think it would be ok. It has 51 links to it and 20 something transclusions so they would need to be updated as well. I noticed it also has a redirect attached so that would need to be fixed too. If it breaks anything (which I don’t think it will) it can be undone. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:30, 10 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion message icon[change source]

Would it be okay to change the icon on {{QD-notice}} and {{QD-notice-multiple}} from the .png image (File:Ambox deletion.png) to the .svg image (File:Ambox warning pn.svg)? They look pretty much the same except one is a bitmap and one is a vector image. Kk.urban (talk) 03:30, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a reason why it wouldn't.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:45, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:40, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to change wording[change source]

Hello fellow editors. I have started a seven day proposal to change the wording on the templates about adding unsourced libel or defamation against person. Please join the discussion here. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:52, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees 2024 Selection[change source]

You can find this message translated into additional languages on Meta-wiki.

Dear all,

This year, the term of 4 (four) Community- and Affiliate-selected Trustees on the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees will come to an end [1]. The Board invites the whole movement to participate in this year’s selection process and vote to fill those seats.

The Elections Committee will oversee this process with support from Foundation staff [2]. The Board Governance Committee created a Board Selection Working Group from Trustees who cannot be candidates in the 2024 community- and affiliate-selected trustee selection process composed of Dariusz Jemielniak, Nataliia Tymkiv, Esra'a Al Shafei, Kathy Collins, and Shani Evenstein Sigalov [3]. The group is tasked with providing Board oversight for the 2024 trustee selection process, and for keeping the Board informed. More details on the roles of the Elections Committee, Board, and staff are here [4].

Here are the key planned dates:

  • May 2024: Call for candidates and call for questions
  • June 2024: Affiliates vote to shortlist 12 candidates (no shortlisting if 15 or less candidates apply) [5]
  • June-August 2024: Campaign period
  • End of August / beginning of September 2024: Two-week community voting period
  • October–November 2024: Background check of selected candidates
  • Board's Meeting in December 2024: New trustees seated

Learn more about the 2024 selection process - including the detailed timeline, the candidacy process, the campaign rules, and the voter eligibility criteria - on this Meta-wiki page, and make your plan.

Election Volunteers

Another way to be involved with the 2024 selection process is to be an Election Volunteer. Election Volunteers are a bridge between the Elections Committee and their respective community. They help ensure their community is represented and mobilize them to vote. Learn more about the program and how to join on this Meta-wiki page.

Best regards,

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[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections/2021/Results#Elected

[2] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Committee:Elections_Committee_Charter

[3] https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Minutes:2023-08-15#Governance_Committee

[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_elections_committee/Roles

[5] Even though the ideal number is 12 candidates for 4 open seats, the shortlisting process will be triggered if there are more than 15 candidates because the 1-3 candidates that are removed might feel ostracized and it would be a lot of work for affiliates to carry out the shortlisting process to only eliminate 1-3 candidates from the candidate list.

MPossoupe_(WMF)19:57, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Question about notability on Simple Wiki[change source]

Is Simple Wiki as strict as Wikipedia in terms of notability? I'm just curious. It's my first time here. Thank you. Aona1212 (talk) 20:15, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Aona1212 Hi and welcome to Simple. Yes, the notability is across the board due to the potential of any law suit. So the same standards have to be met. All we did was simplify the language at WP:Notability. If you have any questions, please feel free to post them here and someone will respond back, or you can ask them directly on my talk page. Again, welcome! Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Request for new stub[change source]

Hello fellow editors - Please visit The Simple Stub Project Talk for a proposal to add a new stub titled Musical Artists Stub. Please do not post comments here. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:50, 12 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all! As a reminder this discussion is still ongoing. Please join in with your thoughts at the link above. Do not comment here please. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 00:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jihadi John[change source]

Would anyone mind if i remove the image?--Trade (talk) 00:23, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Trade What image and why? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 00:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Low quality Trade (talk) 00:49, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Trade Oh you mean the drawing by a child that looks nothing like him? lol. I actually just copied over the info box. If you have or know of a better image to put in the info box have at it. You are also more than welcome to remove and edit articles. You don’t need anyone’s permission. That is why we are a community. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 00:54, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've raised some questions regarding the simplewiki global rights policy at Wikipedia talk:Global rights policy. Considering that the policy page has just four users watching it, it's not very likely to expect anyone answering there. Is there another suitable page where I can raise my questions? Johannnes89 (talk) 12:50, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Tana River (Europe)". Please change to that title[change source]

"False name: Tana River (Norway). The name of the article should ... be Tana River (Europe) ... 21:48, 29 June 2021".--The river is a border between Finland and Norway, for a majority of the length of the river.--It is the Finnish-Norwegian border for 100-plus miles, and then it runs thru Norway for the last ten-plus miles. Thanks. 2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07 (talk) 19:27, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done The name matches what is on en wiki and accurately reflects the name given to it. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:32, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Teno (Finland). The border between Finland and Norway is at the deepest part of the river (as measured every 25 years).--To be accurate. 2001:2020:325:D5C9:3C49:59BE:1D7E:C397 (talk) 20:09, 13 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07[reply]

It is generalized as Tana (river). I am not sure where you are getting the names from. Since it runs through more than one country we do not want to show preference to one or the other. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:13, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Teno is the fourth word in the article about the Finnish-Norwegian river.--That should answer your "where" question.--The title "Tana (Norway) - how does that not "show preference to one or the other" country? 2001:2020:325:D5C9:3590:269:2CFB:7A52 (talk) 21:37, 13 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07[reply]
Please stop IP hopping. I am not changing it to show preference to one country or the other. If someone else wants to that is fine. However, it is set as generalized to Tana (river) because that is what it is. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:53, 13 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb They are not IP hopping, IPv6 users have no control over their IP changing, which happens often. Kk.urban (talk) 02:01, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tana River (Europe). That is the title that would not show preference to one country or the other.--Europe is not a country, but Finland and Norway are.--No one has suggested a name that does not have "river" in the title.--In regard to electronics resetting itself (and changing IP) - larger wikipedias and WMF have looked into that, without any draconian conclusion.--About a title change - the arguments can speak for themselves. 2001:2020:325:D5C9:D46F:C43:32A9:E122 (talk) 23:41, 13 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:325:D5C9:8161:4799:B7D6:ED07[reply]

My perspective on this is that Europe is too broad a term and too uninformative. We do tend to follow En wiki on controversial topics. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:27, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve looked at all of the incoming links on en. Everything mentioned here goes to the same article as we have it listed (and en wiki). Redirects are cheap and we can make redirects without an issue imo. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 10:29, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cross-wiki spam, or something similar?[change source]

Category:Paintings by Antonio Rotta, simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Paintings_by_Antonio_Rotta.--These paintings are so famous that they (largely) do not have En-wiki article? How odd!--Userify, for some of the paintings or all the paintings?--Someone might want to create a substub (so that I or anyone else can redirect those articles which seem clearly non-notable).--Good luck making a general decision (while i meanwhile work on other articles.) 2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60 (talk) 18:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IP User, we have certain stubs we use here. It can go under the general stub or under a country stub (based on where it was painted or where the artist is from). Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:15, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I estimate these as w:Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Alec Smithson, whose main targets include Antonio Rotta. MathXplore (talk) 03:56, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@MathXplore Wanna do a GARV? You have more information? If on IRC, you can DM me. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 03:59, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I may do that afterwards, but I have to check global contributions carefully for confidence. Please feel free to go ahead if you have found something else. MathXplore (talk) 04:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:BEAN If you want to email or IRC me, I am online. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 04:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone might want to create a substub about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable). 2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60 (talk) 18:25, 14 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

HI. We do not create stubs for this type of issue. If you believe they are non-notable, you are more than welcome to open an RfD for them. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:28, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb I am sure they mean a stub (short article), not a stub template. Kk.urban (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban I already mentioned the stub and the fact we won't create a new stub for that purpose. :) See my first comment please. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:31, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb I don't understand? Why not create a short article about Antonio Rotta? Kk.urban (talk) 18:32, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban They are not asking for a short article. Anyone can create that. They are asking for a stub Someone might want to create a substub (so that I or anyone else can redirect those articles which seem clearly non-notable). Then they doubled it Someone might want to create a substub about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable). Something seems really off about this request to me, but that is just me. We had this issue the other day and the IP got glocked. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb Per WP:Stub: "On Wikipedia, a stub is a short article." Kk.urban (talk) 20:05, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban I am very well aware of what a stub is. They are asking to create a new stub, which is not going to happen. For a new stub to happen, it needs over 1,000 articles and someone to actively be working on them WP:Simple Stub Project. If they want to stub the article, they can. There is the general stub, and they can stub it with the country the painter is from if they want. I am not sure what you are trying to tell me, to be honest. We seem to be going in circles about this, and I am lost as to why you are quoting what a stub is. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:11, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"They are asking to create a new stub" - yes, and a stub is a short article. A new short article about Antonio Rotta. Kk.urban (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban Then, as I also stated, they are more than welcome to create the article. As far as creating a "stub" like "This is a short article..." I can say that will be a no. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:17, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Someone might want to create a substub (or super-small article) about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable).--Good luck making a general decision (while i meanwhile work on other articles.)--If one does not have Good Faith in others, then why should others have good faith in that one.--Please also explain which discussion where someone has glocked (or possibly lugered) someone's arguments. (I, for one, would like to scrutinize the dynamics (etc.) of that discussion.) 2001:2020:309:DEC0:5CD9:A94C:3C1C:145D (talk) 19:38, 14 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

IP I already addressed your request. As far as why for locking, I cannot comment on that per WP:BEAN. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:50, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@user:PDL - I am somewhat curious regarding what/where was locked (or glocked, as you wrote earlier).--Hypothesis: the stuff about locked (or glocked), is not important for reaching a conclusion (or understanding) about who might do what, about the mentioned painting-articles (or articles-about the mentioned painter). 2001:2020:333:F9E3:E8B3:ED55:2269:1209 (talk) 02:47, 15 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]
IP they are two different things. You asked both questions. I answered both questions. Again, if you want to create an article you are more than welcome to. Wikipedia is open for anyone to read and edit (circumstances willing). Again to the other part. I’m not indulging on that anymore. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:53, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
About Antonio Rotta - anyone can create a small article (and I think i know of two wikipedia-users, who will not start the article.)--Got it! 2001:2020:333:F9E3:1D5F:E543:131F:DCC4 (talk) 03:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

@Kk.urban - nothing was lost in translation (etc.), when you read/interpreted (what later became, "Someone might want to create a substub (or super-small article) about the painter (so that I or anyone else can redirect those painting-articles which seem clearly non-notable)").--I will be busy fixing other articles (while a consensus and/or other constructive ideas, happen). Thanks. 2001:2020:333:F9E3:D18C:B363:1966:B69D (talk) 02:32, 15 March 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:311:E688:FDEE:B111:76C5:1A60[reply]

Global ban proposal for Slowking4[change source]

Hello. This is to notify the community that there is an ongoing global ban proposal for User:Slowking4 who has been active on this wiki. You are invited to participate at m:Requests for comment/Global ban for Slowking4 (2). Thank you. Seawolf35 (talk) 19:36, 14 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your wiki will be in read-only soon[change source]

Trizek (WMF), 00:01, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This may turn into an RfC…[change source]

So lately I have been seeing a lot of articles come over to simple stating that so and so “is the best batter” “the best soccer player” “the best football(er)”. Sometimes these are POVs. Sometimes they are published but in local papers (say India, Afghanistan, even here in the US). At what point do we not allow a POV to come in? Most of the ones I’ve seen are coming from other language wiki, but one off the top of my head is Tom Brady. All of these are POV in my opinion, but I wanted to get a temperature from the other editors on their thoughts. WP:NPOV states only insert facts and gives a great example. Not everyone agrees on it but it can be put on the article but needs to be worded in such a way as to not give it undue weight. I’m open to thoughts and suggestions. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 02:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You fixed the article about Tom Brady.--At your convenience, please show us some articles that might be in a "grey area" (or that has wording, that is "too much" for an encyclopedia). Thanks. 2001:2020:333:F9E3:1D5F:E543:131F:DCC4 (talk) 03:40, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think the statement you removed from the Brady article didn't belong because it read like the opinion of the person writing the article. If it were something like "Sports Illustrated called Brady the greatest <whatever>," and there were a reference, that would be okay. -- Auntof6 (talk) 09:31, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The obvious question is Who says? Its not just an issue in sport. Rathfelder (talk) 10:33, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 & @Rathfelder I agree with both of you. Auntof6, does this need to be an RfC to go on the WP:NPOV policy? Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 14:28, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb: I think it's covered by the guideline at Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words#Improving weasel-worded statements, in the part about peacock terms. The corresponding issue on enwiki is also covered by a guideline rather than policy. Guidelines can be enough to justify fixing things like this. If you really want it in policy, then yes, I think it takes a discussion to change policy. I don't know if NPOV is the right place, though. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:43, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Generally if we talk about someone being "the best" or similar we should state it in terms of what RS say about them. Most likely in terms of a quotation. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 22:25, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Proposal[change source]

Started at: Talk:Disney_Channel#Merge_proposal JoBo GamerYT (talk) 15:02, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removing user rights[change source]

Should this Wiki remove special user rights (example: Rollback) from inactive users? I know we do this for administrators, but is there something like this for other special permissions? SI (talk) 18:06, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather than remove them from inactive users, maybe we should remove them from indeffed users. Inactive users haven't done anything to show that they can't be trusted, but blocked and banned users have. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 I disagree with you on this. I’m thinking of w:WP:INDEFRIGHTS where if the editor is not site banned or did not misuse their rights, then the right(s) stay in place and they do not need to go through another RfP. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 22:03, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for high tier user rights being removed for inactivity is security. Items such as rollback isn't close to dangerous enough to remove from all accounts on an activity basis. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 22:23, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not simple, maybe[change source]

Xenia (disambig) was today moved to Xenia (disambiguation). Should someone revert that kind of stuff (for being the opposite of simplifying).--The new user also made the first sentence in Xenia (article), long-winded (and not simple). Thoughts? 2001:2020:313:EBE1:68C5:BC50:CC2F:2FB (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation in of itself isn't frowned upon here. The Simple Wikipedia is for simplifying words and sentences, not for simplifying the structure of Wikipedia. I don't think we need to move it to disambiguation if we don't have a master article at Xenia. I wonder if we should have a more simple word than "disambiguation" for these articles. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:26, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
" I don't think we need to move it to disambiguation" if there is no master-article, was said today.--So, please someone, revert the controversial thing that was done. For starters. Thanks. 2001:2020:313:EBE1:FD03:DA0D:1462:F44 (talk) 19:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC) / 2001:2020:313:EBE1:68C5:BC50:CC2F:2FB[reply]
I have reverted the move. When there is no primary topic, the qualified title should point to the unqualified one. That is so that there can be deliberate links to the dab page if desired without it looking like a link to the actual dab page. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:59, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, it seems. 2001:2020:313:EBE1:FD03:DA0D:1462:F44 (talk) 20:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox url[change source]

Hi, Over at Celebrity Big Brother (British TV series) its currently showing an incorrect url - Does anyone know how one updates it as its not in the internal infobox stuff itself (or if it is i've completely missed it), Many thanks, –Davey2010Talk 20:12, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's from Wikidata. What's the actual URL now? [1] Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 20:39, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Lee Vilenski, Ah okay thank you that explains why I couldn't find it, They don't have an official landing page - its just episodes however the episodes aren't going to be on their website forever and as EN doesn't have the URL at all so i didn't know if we should just follow suit and just remove it too?, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 20:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's a feature built into the Infobox (on en wiki, it probably isn't so). Might be worth changing it on WikiData to an archived URL if one doesn't exist anymore. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lee Vilenski Now you've mentioned it I do remember there being a whole WikiData thing so many thanks for the reminder and for your help, I'll follow EN (Add external link to prev TV show and remove it from the Infobox), Many thanks again for your help it's greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 21:32, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No problem, anytime. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 00:40, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dumping ground: Furniture-thingy (designer furniture?)[change source]

One furniture-thingy (lighting); I have done a redirect to a creator (that I assume is notable).--No worries (?), I expect to clean-up other examples, c. 10 days from now.--It took me one minute , to notice two examples.--Please excuse, if "a flood of two" does not lead to an alarming count of dubious stuff. 2001:2020:341:B85E:A47F:81F7:72E8:2EA0 (talk) 17:10, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tomato sauce article[change source]

I feel like tomato sauce should be a standalone article rather than a disambiguation page. What do you guys think? We can then put a redirect to Ketchup in the hatnote. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 18:59, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure we'd want an additional article for tomato sauce if ketchup already exists. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:39, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tomato sauce and ketchup are two different things though. They both are tomato-based, yes, but they are made with different ingredients. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 19:55, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at what we have, it's ocmpletely off the track:
  • Tomato sauce is made from tomatoes, and is the base for many sauces in the Italian and other cuisines. It is not pasta sauce, and it isn't limited to Italian cuisine
  • Ketchup is a spcial condiment, which likely also exists in two or three versions.
So, how should we clear this up? Eptalon (talk) 20:03, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Replaced it with a three-sentence stub, to be extended. Also, I leave cleaning up intwewiki stuff to others. Eptalon (talk) 20:28, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I was busy, but thank you. TheWikiCyclone (talk) 22:06, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Knoxville, Tennessee[change source]

Hi, could someone please try to fix the layout of Knoxville, Tennessee? At the moment, in "desktop" view, the references are overlapping with the infobox, and I don't know how to fix this. Kk.urban (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

fixed SI (talk) 16:02, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Kk.urban (talk) 16:04, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all.

I'm new to editing this Wikipedia, and I was wondering if someone could read the two pages I've edited recently--the one on Plato and the other on Pythagoras--and see if they are acceptable? Feedback is much appreciated. Thanks,

Mop565 (talk) 23:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)Mop565[reply]

@Mop565 I will be happy to take a look and I will post on your talk page. Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 23:51, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New change update[change source]

Hi all, just wanted to post one of the items from the tech changes that applies to everyone. The rest are admin and bot related for those users who use them or are them.

  • The notice "Language links are at the top of the page" that appears in the Vector 2022 skin main menu has been removed now that users have learned the new location of the Language switcher.

Thanks - PDLTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 05:19, 19 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]