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Requesting a move

Could someone please move Amin Maher to Amina Maher? She changed her name a few years ago. I can't because I'm not autoconfirmed. Hinnk (talk) 08:41, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Hinnk  Done*Fehufangą✉ Talk page 08:56, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I keep editing conflicting myself... anyone know how to fix the problem? Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:27, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@つがる Can you try again please? The servers were having issues. If it still does not work, let me know. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 20:53, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. Issue all fixed now Tsugaru let's talk! :) 22:08, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる Yay! Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 22:09, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PotsdamLamb The problem is back lol --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:11, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる What is the article? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 00:18, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@PotsdamLamb: User talk:つがる/WikiProject Japan see page history. the first edit i made today had problems. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる Looking through the history you keep reverting yourself. The tags show "revert" or "undo". So it is not an edit conflict :) Is the keyboard tiny that you may be hitting those keys by chance? Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 00:28, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PotsdamLamb Hmm, So when I edit and i pushed enter it said edit conflict and I just left the page, as for the keyboard I am using an external keyboard, its nice and big :) It's a pink gaming keyboard! Tsugaru let's talk! :) 00:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる Maybe an issue with the pink color eeeerrrrrrrr external keyboard? I cannot think of much else unless you wanna clear / by-bass your cache Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 00:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PotsdamLamb I bypassed the cache, thanks for the links, I will see if things work now Tsugaru let's talk! :) 01:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる ok let me know. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 01:56, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PotsdamLamb It's still happening Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:47, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oshwah Sorry for the random ping, but do you have any idea as to why its doing this? Tsugaru let's talk! :) 03:00, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
つがる - Something might just be stuck in your browser cache. Try clearing it. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:23, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am no good at figuring out the code, can someone help me expand the yellow frame so the image on the bottom is inside it? Thanks Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@つがる  Done As you add participates, remove one of the br with the brackets and you should be fine. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:45, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる You sure though you don't want it some variation of Pink :) Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 21:48, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PotsdamLamb I was thinking of that lol, but then it might make it hard to see lol --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:50, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@つがる Try #FFF1FB Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 22:06, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

US vs. USA

Hi all. I’ve noticed an IP editor is going around and changing anything that says US to USA. Does not seem to matter if it’s in an infobox or in the article. What is the correct way? I’ve always used US in infoboxes especially with coordinates because of the way the maps are laid out for pinpointing. I looked at MoS and couldn’t seem to find it or my eyes are getting worse and I didn’t see it. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 03:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We may not have an official correct way. I usually spell it out in article text because I think abbreviations can be difficult for English learners. In infoboxes, I usually use US. The country is usually called just "United States," without adding "of America," so that makes sense to me. -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I see one IP editor doing this, but only on two pages. Is that what you meant by "going around and changing"? -- Auntof6 (talk) 03:18, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 No I’ve seen a lot of IP editors doing this the past couple of days. Not sure if it’s the same person jumping IPs or different people doing this. That is why I was asking. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 03:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Since this matter has been brought up, I am wondering why we even have the {{bots}} template on this page? Support for this template is on a per-implementation basis, so you must either use a framework that is {{bots}} aware, or explicitly account for it in your bot's code. Is there any currently approved bot (other than archive bots) that would ever be editing this page (be it accidental or not), and would need opting out of via the use of the {{bots}} tmeplate? Chenzw  Talk  15:40, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Chenzw I believe the signing bot would also edit this page, but since SassoBot is the only authorized one, User:Cewbot won't sign the comments either. IMHO it should be allowed to do that. I cannot think of any other bots that would run on this page based on our approved ones. There may be global ones, but I am not sure. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 19:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Finding Fanon (now with 100% less fish)

Quoting from here, but with tweaks:

It seems that specific cartoons (which are not mainstream) on Simple English Wikipedia are often target to users adding in their own "fanon", such as an early change in the page for Numberjacks containing details that it was created by Jean-Yves Raimbaud (who couldn't have been alive in 2000), that it was a Xilam production with employees like Hugo Gittard and Marc Du Pontavice and that it had American voice actors...
This also happens with small details, like Oggy and the Cockroaches: The Movie being "produced" by Illumination, or large changes like Taffy having a large voice cast, some of whom mentioned people like Tom Kenny and Phil LaMarr (unlike the dub's official cast), or even an entire redundant page, filled with false information. (Happened with Oggy too.)
Like, it's so weird. This is Wikipedia, where it's used to display enough correct information on media. If you wanted to make fanon so much, there's Fandom. As such, I'm seeing if a better approach to fanon would be agreeable, with helpful pages (like essays) and all.

I've been trying to track anything "fanon"-y down for the past 2 hours now, but for now, I give you all this. You're welcome. --WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 14:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@WannurSyafiqah74: I've moved this thread down, because it is customary to have new threads go at the bottom of the discussion page.
Indeed, a lot of our articles about cartoons and children's show could definitely fare better. We have had probably over a dozen deletion discussions about fake TV shows, movies and entertainment companies this year alone. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 14:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have rangeblocked 2001:D08:E2::/48 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · block user · block log), which has been adding false information since at least May 2022. I reverted some obviously false information, but it would be good if someone more knowledgeable in the area can help review all edits from that IPv6 range, too. I won't be surprised if there are a lot more cases gone unnoticed, from other users/IPs. Chenzw  Talk  15:40, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@User:Chenzw: I found out the SPA linked to some fan-made movie called "Pippi & Equestria Girls". The link goes to FANON WIKI, which just baffles me on how they decided to go here. That, and I'm not sure if the person also pretends Paramount does not exist. --WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 10:07, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that's fine. Maybe better protection on specific articles and restricted article creation would do. And if there's enough "fanon", maybe a list of Wikipedia hoaxes like on the original Wikipedia? The "hoax museum" on Wikipedia bring up articles extant for several years, including fake TV shows and such. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 05:39, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@WannurSyafiqah74: Take a look at List of programs broadcast by Cartoonito. It's being constantly edited, so I think there's false info there. Lights and freedom (talk) 05:49, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just checked. Compared to the original/regular Wikipedia, definitely some suspicious names there. Definitely needs page protection. WannurSyafiqah74 (talk) 06:59, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

University of...

Now we have a University of Heidelberg competing with a Heidelberg University! Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC) ... fortunately both are very short! Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:35, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Macdonald-ross Simply solved EN:Heidelberg University & - both say "Heidelberg University" we would need to disconnect "University of Heidelberg" from wikidata d:Q151510. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:48, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It is one of the oldest in Europe, founded 1386. And no, there's just one University in Heildelberg (de:Ruprecht-Karls-Universität Heidelberg). So the two should be merged... Eptalon (talk) 07:21, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
636 years. I wonder what the oldest university in the world that still functions as a university in the present day. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 07:38, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
University of Bologna. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:22, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wow that is old! Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 06:08, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are actually two that are older, one is the university of Cairo, and I think the other is in Morococo, but not sure... Eptalon (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If we left aside universities which promoted religions (all of the above), we'd still have Plato's Academy and Aristotle's Lyceum. You'll remember that Plato was specifically condemned for promoting disbelief in the gods (that was the actual charge against him). That's 4th century B.C. I think we can be sure the ancient Egyptians had some kind of organisation for training their priests, but I'm not familiar with that literature. Macdonald-ross (talk) 20:16, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Absolute hot"

This refers to [1].

It has no corresponding page on En wiki as far as I can see. Anyone with a background in physics care to have a look? It has no sources. Macdonald-ross (talk) 09:33, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Worth noting that enwiki had a page for this, but it was deleted in AfD: en:Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Absolute_hot. Also, see this discussion on WP Physics' talk page. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 09:51, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Need mass message sent

I need a mass message sent about archiving, if an admin would volunteer to do this for me I would appreciate it. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 16:03, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What is the message, and who do you want it to be sent to? Best, Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 16:48, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have spoken with Vermont on IRC, this is not needed. Thank you. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 17:01, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


This IP is having problem, making some edits on some US Interstate Highways articles, where some info are missing or provided wrong info. Please keep a note of it. The IP have been warned before (as per I saw on it's talk page).--Jyoti Roy (talk) 16:14, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Added quick links - Special:Contributions/ Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 16:18, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think I should mention minor info, instead.--Jyoti Roy (talk) 16:20, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Add to MOS

As all know, if we do not have it on our MOS, we tell editors to go read it on enWP. That does our readers no good as it is very complicated english. I have started a discussion "Bring over and simplify currencies" as I would like to bring this to our MOS and simplify it. Please go there to discuss and please do not discuss it here. Thanks - Da LambTalk to me!Please don't eat da 🐑! 18:43, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Simple words

Hi, Over at Waterloo Road (TV series) it currently says in the lead "the show was recommissioned for an eleventh series, with production returning to the Greater Manchester area." - Should the word "recommissioned" be replaced with a simpler word and should the word "Synopsis" further down also be replaced ?,

I would assume yes for both but I don't know what they should be replaced with (if they should), Many thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 22:36, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You would need to do more than replace word for word. Recast the whole sentence, for example: "There will be another series, produced in the Greater Manchester area again". Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:08, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Macdonald-ross, You sir are amazing thank you so much!, I'll be honest I never thought of replacing the whole sentence - Just thought I needed to replace a word only, I'll replace it now, Many thanks for your help greatly appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 12:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

Seraikistan to Saraikistan. More common spelling, matches English wikipedia. --Middle river exports (talk) 17:26, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Lallint (talk) 17:42, 3 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki request

Hi, Could someone create and transwiki:

Template:Runner-up from en:Template:Runner-up
Template:CFinalist from en:Template:CFinalist
Template:Quit from en:Template:Quit
Template:CRemoved from en:Template:CRemoved

and for update purposes also transwiki:

Template:Won from en:Template:Won
Template:Eliminated from en:Template:Eliminated


Thanks, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 18:42, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Davey2010: Doing. Stand by. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:34, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Davey2010:  Done --Auntof6 (talk) 19:38, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey @Auntof6, Long time no see, Hope you're doing well, Many thanks for doing these as always I greatly appreciate your help :), I plan to create all BBUK series articles over the weekend and apparently the tables use the templates above, Anyway thanks again for your help much appreciated, Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 21:36, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How can I delete a sandbox page I made please?

I maybe learnt this before but I forgot as I don't come here often. Chidgk1 (talk) 09:46, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1 Hello, if the sandbox is in your userspace, you can add the template {{qd-user}} (speedy deletion for pages in one's own userspace) to the page. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 09:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Either you put a QD-template on the page, or you simply delete its ocntents (will then be dlelted as "user requested deletion or blanked the page"... Eptalon (talk) 23:16, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "Change" command

I have no idea how to use the 'simple' change command when the content is in a table or table-like form. When I try to edit, I get a page about change a template. It's much simpler to use 'Çhange source.' Any ideas? Kdammers (talk) 19:43, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kdammers, you may be right, I also face problems when I do "change" command. For table related case, I think source code change is appropriate than in visual change. When I try to add pictures in visual edit at the columns of the table, it makes me difficult to do it. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 07:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming of Nanjing Massacre Museum

Can we rename Nanjing Massacre Museum to Memorial Hall of the Victims in Nanjing Massacre by Japanese Invaders, per enwiki? Asking consent. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 17:21, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Be bold.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 17:30, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok @Gordonrox24. :-) Best DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 01:58, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I think it's quite ridiculous to have such a long title when a simpler one would do just as well. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:34, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Macdonald-ross, you are right, how about we keep a short title as Nanjing Massacre Memorial Hall. And keep this long name (or official name) in the content of the article itself. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 10:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Macdonald-ross: Unless it's the actual name of the place. In any case, whichever one we don't use could be a redirect. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with you on this @Auntof6. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 16:43, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I need some help citing an Academic Journal I found, I am too confused even on the visual editor on how to do it. Is there a page that can help me? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 21:30, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@つがる: Have you looked at the documentation for Template:Cite journal? -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:38, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the link. I actually figured it out now! Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Merge help essays

I think that Wikipedia:Words to avoid in Simple English and Help:Translate English into Simple English are very similar. It seems silly to have a page that only lists one word to avoid, especially when there are more suggestions available on another page. Should we merge them? Lights and freedom (talk) 15:04, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I see we have the film / movie again, and once again I'll say the same thing: This was just a decision made, not an example of the simplicity concept. I would delete the page, which is pretty useless. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:19, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Article layout proposal and discussion

I am proposing changes to the guidelines on how an article should be laid out by sections and templates. Please join the discussion by going to Wikipedia_talk:Guide_to_layout#Article_layout_proposal_and_discussion. I look forward to everyone's comments and hopefully we come together as a community to improve simple. Thanks! PDLTalk to me!OMG, What have I done? 01:45, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Input not listed?

Why don't I see my input on this page in my "My pages" list? Kdammers (talk) 21:05, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Curious: This (right above) is listed, but my 4 August entry is not. Kdammers (talk) 21:07, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kdammers: Where are you seeing a "My pages" list? -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:02, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I meant "My changes."16:23, 8 August 2022 (UTC)Kdammers (talk) 16:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kdammers: I see three changes from you on 4 August, one here and two on Fort Morgan, Colorado. Can you provide some screenshots to help us figure this out? It would help to have the following screenshots:
  • The top of your "My changes" list with "Find changes" expanded so we can see what options you have in effect. (There could be some option that's suppressing your 4 August entry.)
  • The part of the "My changes" display that spans your 4 August entry (that is, it includes changes both before and after the spot where that change should appear)
  • The very bottom of your "My changes" display
Then we can start to check this. -- Auntof6 (talk) 18:13, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This was a transitory problem, so I can't provide a screen shot. If it happens again, I try to get a screen shot. Kdammers (talk) 19:49, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Goodness, what a mess! They all refer to the same demi-god. I want to tidy this up by having one page, since they all refer to the same mythical figure. There's no question that the Greek name came first, and there's no question the Latin name is better known.

En wiki deals with this by having four separate pages and a disambig. I think we should have one page. Your thoughts, please. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:52, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Heracles is a redirect to Herakles, so we really just have two (unless there's another page you didn't list). Heracles/Herakles is Greek, while Hercules is Roman. En wiki has separate articles on them, because some of the mythology is different. I think it would be simpler to describe the two on separate pages rather than having one article where we have to point out differences. --Auntof6 (talk) 08:57, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Another worth deleting...

World Party Day doesn't exist, and as far as I know, never did. The page is out-of-date and not independently sourced. Let's get rid of it! Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:57, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sent it to RfD --Ferien (talk) 09:13, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]


I note re Hagiography that we don't seem to have a category "Biography", and the page is left with no category at present. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just created Category:Biographies (books). If hagiographies are always books, it could go there. -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No approval

I do not see an approval request for the bot “Bot873“ to run an archive on simple. Due to this, please stop it from running immediately as it violates the Wikipedia bot policy by not having approval from the community to run on user pages. An admin, let alone a global sysop, should know they are not allowed to do this and they are not above the rules as much as they think they are.

Please ignore this message, an IP has post it with intentions to distract us. Also the bot is approved so no more questions.--DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 04:39, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TTP1233 It was not approved by the community on simple for archiving or else it would have been doing it for years instead of four other bots doing it. So you are wrong! Try again. I’ll make sure to point this out to WMF since this is an abuse of his powers just like reading peoples DMs on IRC and their emails sent through WP. 2600:387:15:1118:0:0:0:9 (talk) 14:20, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Only crats and sysop can approve, not community. The bot is approved recently if I'm not wrong. And it is working well. Sorry without any evidence, we can't consider your message. If you still beleive something is wrong, report it to WP:AN. I'm not interested to make an edit warring. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 14:33, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See Wikipedia talk:Bots#Bot873 and our policy regarding bots. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:59, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And #Archiving bot where there is an extremely clear consensus from the community... --Ferien (talk) 15:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delay of the 2022 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election

Hi all,

I am reaching out to you today with an update about the timing of the voting for the Board of Trustees election.

As many of you are already aware, this year we are offering an Election Compass to help voters identify the alignment of candidates on some key topics. Several candidates requested an extension of the character limitation on their responses expanding on their positions, and the Elections Committee felt their reasoning was consistent with the goals of a fair and equitable election process.

To ensure that the longer statements can be translated in time for the election, the Elections Committee and Board Selection Task Force decided to delay the opening of the Board of Trustees election by one week - a time proposed as ideal by staff working to support the election.

Although it is not expected that everyone will want to use the Election Compass to inform their voting decision, the Elections Committee felt it was more appropriate to open the voting period with essential translations for community members across languages to use if they wish to make this important decision.

The voting will open on August 23 at 00:00 UTC and close on September 6 at 23:59 UTC.

Please find this message translated in additional languages here.

Best regards,

On behalf of the Elections Committee

Zuz (WMF) (talk) 09:25, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What's with these IP editors editing film and television articles, and how do we fix it?

A minor problem the last year or so has been IP editors adding unsourced film and TV information to articles. I don't know if it's one LTA doing it, or a group of people acting in good faith or whatever, it's getting to become a bigger problem. Several list articles of television programming had to be semi-protected due to these IPs insisting that their version of the article was correct. What do we do about this? -- Derpdart56 (talk) 18:09, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I say we need to get Wikiproject Television up and running again. Take stock of what we have and improve it. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:53, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would do it, but I've got Wikiproject Video Games to run, and I don't think running two at once is advisible. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:54, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Dead End

Having read Wikipedia:WikiProject, I have been told to notify you at Simple Talk that I have made a new WikiProject. It is called WikiProject Dead End and aims to add links to dead end articles and possibly other similar things such as adding links to orphaned articles. SlimyGecko7 (talk) 15:33, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We don't do projects. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Macdonald-ross, @SlimyGecko7: We do unofficial ones in userspace. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:58, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah there is a option to make unofficial projects. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 17:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This is a cool idea! Relatively quick/easy task, and I'm sure there's a lot of articles that could benefit from this. Just remember that not everything in an article can be linked; I recommend checking this enwiki page that provides some beneficial guidance on it. Best, Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 23:41, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Archiving bot

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Clear consensus for RfC 1 & RfC 2 closed as successful & approved -- Enfcer (talk) 00:32, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We are left still wanting an archive bot. I've offered up Bot873 until Sassobot comes back to work. After a successful trial and first authorized run, I wanted to write here shine a light on a few details.

Check your archiving bot configs

This is to remind everyone that if you are using the {{bots}} template on your talk page, you need to check your configs. Currently Bot873 will only run in the User talk namespace where there is a {{User:MiszaBot/config}} (see User:MiszaBot/config) set AND there is either no {{bots}} template at all or where the {{bots}} template is used like this: {{bots}}, {{bots|allow=all}}, or {{bots|allow=Bot873}}.

The bot will ignore all pages that use {{nobots}} or use the {{bots}} template with |allow=Sassobot, deny=all, or deny=Bot873.

If you are new to archiving your talkpages auto-magically, there are several examples on the User:MiszaBot/config page and practical implementations on various pages.

RfC #1: Use of the bots template in Wikipedia namespace

The {{bots}} template is currently used on many Wikipedia namespace pages in conjunction with {{User:MiszaBot/config}}. Currently, the {{bots}} template is explicitly only allows Sassobot (allow=Sassobot). This will prevent Bot873 from running on those pages. To proceed with archiving operations, the community will need to decide on one of the following:

  1. Remove the {{bots}} template from all Wikipedia namespace pages and use {{nobots}} where bot activity should be specifically forbidden, if required.
  2. Remove allow=Sassbot from the {{bots}} templates that are currently on Wikipedia namespace pages. This would implicitly allow bot activity from any approved bot.
  3. Append the {{bots}} templates used in the Wikipedia namespace with allow=Sassobot,Bot873 to allow either bot to archive the page with the template.




RfC #2: Bot873 to archive project/Wikipedia pages

With a successful first production run, Bot873 is ready to be offered to the community to take up duties archiving project/Wikipedia pages as needed. Once RfC #1 is settled, the bot is ready to take over from Sassobot until such time as Sassobot returns. With community consent, Bot873 will happily get to work. However, to repeat, RfC #1 above will directly affect this proposal.




Thanks for all the patience and input! Operator873 connect 05:54, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not change it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page, such as the current discussion page. No more changes should be made to this discussion.

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Requesting move of Murugan to Kartikeya in line with English wikipedia.

Requesting move of Murugan to Kartikeya in line with English wikipedia. Redtigerxyz (talk) 11:05, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm facing problem to move as Kartikeya is made as redirect page. @TDKR Chicago 101 can you please do the needful? DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 11:14, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TTP1233 When moving a page from A to B, where B is a redirect page, there are two possible scenarios:
  • B was created as a redirect, and has always been a redirect in its history:
    As this page never had significant content to begin with, A can be moved to B without any problem
  • B is currently a redirect, but it wasn't a redirect at some point in its history, and/or it was not created as a redirect:
    To move page A to B, B has to be deleted first. Tag it {{db-g6}}. After an admin decides to delete the target page, page A can be moved to B
in this case you'd want to tag Kartikeya with {{db-g6}}. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 22:48, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Fehufanga for your kind advice. I will see to it DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 02:20, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done: @Redtigerxyz you request is accepted by manual redirect. Hope you are happy.. :-D Best DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 06:46, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TTP1233: please note that I have reverted the manual redirect because that is a cut and paste move. Cut and paste moves should not be performed. For this case, as Fehufanga mentioned, the destination page should have been tagged with QD G6 first, and then Murugan moved to the new title. Chenzw  Talk  11:29, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also when moving a page in future, it is good practice to review the content again and update the article content for the new title. Chenzw  Talk  11:33, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay @Chenzw, got it. Actually I wanted to go with @Fehufanga's idea but I felt that QD deletion is taking lengthy. Still thank you for your advice. DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 12:40, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, what Fehufanga said was not optional. Please keep that in mind in future. Chenzw  Talk  12:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Reliable sources

Hello. There is an article in the standard English Wikipedia that probably fits in this Wikipedia as well, but with sources talked more about here instead of the sources on the original English article.— Preceding unsigned comment added by JanKeso (talkcontribs) 18:04, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Introducing Taskforce Re-Run

Hello there. I'm here today to introduce Taskforce Re-Run, a new taskforce dedicated to cleaning up television list articles. Please consider joining if you wish to help. Derpdart56 (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Enquiry about User:Djsasso

@Djsasso is currently inactive for a long time since 1 June 2022, if I'm not wrong. May I know why this user is inactive at this moment? DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 14:58, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TTP1233: Have you tried contacting them? There might not be anyone here who knows the reason. If anyone knows, they may be unwilling or unauthorized to say. -- Auntof6 (talk) 17:46, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Yea I found it a bit odd he has been inactive this long of a time, however he might just be busy IRL. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:14, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I hope it's not something more serious, or even permanent. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:21, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I sent Djsasso a talk page message and an email about SassoBot a few months ago now, and he has not responded to either of them unfortunately. Completely disconnected from IRC as well that he was previously on. So I haven't seen anything from him in months now. I hope he is doing alright. --Ferien (talk) 21:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On an unrelated but similar matter, I've also reached out to User:Creol with no response. People come and go, even those who have been around for a long time. Real life often gets in the way, hopefully in a positive personal way. Wishing them both the best as long term valued members of this community. --Gordonrox24 | Talk 22:33, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Gordonrox24: I'm not sure if you're aware, but Creol continued on another account, Pure Evil, and continued editing on that up until 24 June, with this being the final edit. --Ferien (talk) 20:13, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I thought that was a separate user, considering the account has been around since 2008. Lights and freedom (talk) 20:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, he has admitted to being the same person on multiple occasions, including here. --Ferien (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Three months isn't that long. Let's all hope Djsasso is on some kind of fruitful summer adventure. But people also just leave. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:49, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, and three months is the minimum time on EN to place missing notice on a userpage, so that means that three months isn't that long indeed as Darkfrog24 says. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:31, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am around. Just not super active at the moment. Enjoying the summer. -Djsasso (talk) 12:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear that you are still holding up. MrMeAndMrMeLet's talk 19:05, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice to hear from you, Djsasso! I hope you have a nice rest of the summer! Tsugaru let's talk! :) 20:43, 24 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea why must you want to know? Juse13 (talk) 23:26, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Zuz (WMF) (talk) 12:25, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New wikiproject

Hello, I'm launching Wikiproject Software to help improve software related projects. I noticed a few of our windows-related software articles were filled with typos. I'd like to fix this and improve the software articles we have that aren't related to Windows. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:59, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am good at fixing typos. Can you toss me a few titles? Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This two categories seems the same. Could anyone help merge them?

Category:Articles containing Uyghur-language text and Category:Articles containing Uighur-language text seems the same, but I'm not which should be kept and how. So I asked for help here. Thanks. 迴廊彼端 (talk) 15:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@迴廊彼端:  Done, the page has been deleted. Hockeycatcat (talk) (changes) 15:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for User:Macdonald-ross's and User:Hockeycatcat's help however there are still some things to do. There are still some articles in Category:Articles containing Uighur-language text because some problems of modules and templates. I found some clues in Module:Lang/data however I don't know how to fix them and only admins' can edit them. Please help. 迴廊彼端 (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Macdonald-ross, can you restore Category:Articles containing Uighur-language text? This (with an I, not a Y) is the name used on enwiki. I believe I can easily fix this problem by adjusting {{Lang-ug}}. Lights and freedom (talk) 17:58, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for User:Lights and freedom's help. I've adjusted Template:ISO 639 name ug for preventing wrong link in its doc. However the program commands in Template:Lang-ug turns Category:Articles containing Uighur-language text into a self-categorized category. It's better to reconstruct it like Template:Lang-de or Template:Lang-zh.--迴廊彼端 (talk) 02:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I don't know how to change that. Lights and freedom (talk) 15:06, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done -Djsasso (talk) 16:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on Vector (2022) skin

Hello, I would like to bring your attention that an discussion is started already for changing the default skin to vector (2022 version) at English Wikipedia (en:Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Defining a process for the discussion of making Vector 2022 the new default). The new one looks good to me, but still I want the feedback to all of you regarding on this new skin be default in this wiki. I see the testwiki has made the new skin as default. Comments? --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 17:13, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Hello! I just noticed that this page is more of a definition and not a specific topic that an article can expand on. Should I add a deletion template? I'm just looking for input on this page, so I don't do something like put up a good article for deletion. Sincerely, Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 14:44, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, If you think that the definition isn't good, and that improving it to a point where it is decent is difficult; or that there's little "encyclopedic substance", then you should put the article up for deletion (articles also survive deletion discussions). If however you think that if you take half an hour and come up with something keepable, that's the preferred way to go, though. Eptalon (talk) 15:10, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What about redirect? Here's the page: Material. Please review it and tell me if it's worth redirecting to Matter. Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article seems fine to me. Don't think it needs a redirect. -Djsasso (talk) 12:12, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Continents and island nations

Jamaica, the West Indies, Hispaniola... We're counting them as part of North America, right? A frog that lives in Jamaica is filed under CAT:Frogs of North America? Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:57, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That would make sense to me.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 01:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Hello friends, after some personal disagreements with enwiki, I lose hope to edit. So I have decided to take an retirement. It is an honor to serve here at Wikipedia. Thank you and wish you all the best for future. (My last edit) --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 08:58, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@TTP1233: Thank you for all your edits, and I wish you much success in life! Hockeycatcat (talk) (changes) 09:52, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry to hear about this :-( Thank you for your contributions, and I hope you can find other fun hobbies to spend your time. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 02:38, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is the most gracious exit I've read in a long time. Good luck with whatever project gets your hard work next, DNC! Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Red Link help

Good evening, everyone. I just wanted to ask if some would help remove red links or make articles for red links on some articles. It just makes the article look bad and I would appreciate it if you helped me! Thank you! SoyokoAnis - talk 01:25, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SoyokoAnis Hello. As ugly as they look, red links, if they point to potentially helpful articles, shouldn't be removed from articles. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 01:30, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Fehufanga Red links tend to stay on articles for months or maybe years. Especially on some of the articles, I created. Infact, Simple Wiki's small amount of members makes it hard to get any collaboration done. For example, why create a red-linked article when you can make one that you're more interested in by yourself? SoyokoAnis - talk 02:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But I do understand, what you mean/where you're coming from. SoyokoAnis - talk 02:52, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SoyokoAnis: It's OK if red links stay for a long time. If you're worried about some specific red links, you can create the page(s) if you want. There's always a lot to do here, so some things wait a while to get taken care of. -- Auntof6 (talk) 04:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SoyokoAnis Welcome back! Lights and freedom (talk) 21:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Lights and freedom Oh, thanks! It's nice to know someone knew I was gone for a while. SoyokoAnis - talk 02:06, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

April Fools?

Have we ever done anything relating to the holiday? Derpdart56 (talk) 17:18, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Derpdart56: If I recall correctly, it has been discussed, but we decided not to do anything because of the possible confusion for people whose English is not good. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Descent categories on simplewiki

I have a question about the ethnic groups/descent categories on simplewiki. MathXplore and Auntof6 said that those categories are not allowed here, according to this discussion. *Fehufangą said its overcategorization, according to Wikipedia:Requests_for_deletion/Requests/2022/Category:Hispanic_and_Latino_American_people.

  • says "The standard form for categories by ancestry, culture, or ethnicity is "FOOian people of BARian descent", where "FOOian" is the person's nationality (country of citizenship) and "BARian" is the person's ethnic ancestry (such as Category:Irish people of Ghanaian descent and Category:American people of German descent)."

CopyPatrol for simplewiki

Hello everyone. After we have noticed more copyright violations recently (with some going back nearly a year) I thought about possibly bringing CopyPatrol to simplewiki. If you don't know what CopyPatrol is: you can see what it's like on - you are shown recent edits that may be copyright violations, with the URL that editor may be copying from. You can compare the URL and edit, and decide if no action is needed (for example, if it's a wiki-mirror), or whether the page needs to be fixed. It's currently used on the English, French and Spanish Wikipedias. This tool would allow us to easily find copyright violations sooner (hours/days after they are added) instead of sometimes only finding them after several months. So, are we interested in bringing this tool to this Wikipedia and, if we are, how many people are interested in actively using it? --Ferien (talk) 14:21, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Derpdart56 you just need to be able to edit. --Ferien (talk) 14:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. Derpdart56 (talk) 15:25, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well I have used it once, when I was the reviewer of Wikiproject Article for Creation at enwiki. It's a good tool. --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 04:57, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferien We are happy to get this tool introduced. Well if you could provide me the documentation link of it, I can analyse more about it. --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 04:59, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@TTP1233 The documentation is here. It's fairly simple–it shows you edits that may need copyright patrolling. If the edit is fine, no action is needed, but if it contains significant copyvio, flag it for speedy deletion or remove it and request revdel, then the page is fixed. Be wary of wikipedia mirrors. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 05:03, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see then... --DRC (User:TTP1233) (talk . e-mail . contrib) 05:07, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, looks like we have a good amount of people who want CopyPatrol and would use it. I have created a phab task: phab:T318032. --Ferien (talk) 14:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Globai Warming

WHAT is Globai Warming (talk) 11:13, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi and welcome to the Simple English Wikipedia. I believe Global warming should help you. Have a nice day! SoyokoAnis - talk 21:59, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion about categories related to chemicals

This may not be the most interesting topic, but it's important so that people can easily find articles. We currently have Category:Chemicals and Category:Chemical compounds, and we should clearly define what belongs in each. For example, "glue", "petroleum", and "antifreeze" are not specific chemical compounds, so where do they belong? There are also some categories that are classes of chemical compounds, such as Category:Hydrocarbons. This contains specific compounds/molecules like methane, but also other things like gasoline. Then there are the large number of biological molecules, mainly in four groups: Category:Lipids, Category:Proteins (and their component amino acids), Category:Carbohydrates, and nucleic acids. Enwiki has en:Category:Biomolecules for those. Hemoglobin is an example of a protein that's a compound, but an article like protein folding is not a chemical compound itself though it relates to them. Another note is Category:Polymers should be considered, both for the biological and artificial polymers. Finally, there are grounds of chemicals by purpose/effect, such as Category:Pigments and Category:Poisons, which should be under a consistent supercategory. This is all just to give you an idea of what the issues are.

So together, let's try to clearly define all of these. Lights and freedom (talk) 05:15, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I am not a chemist, so I may have a biased opinion: Pretty much everything is a chemical, now if the thing is made of molecules of two or more substances, these are chemical compounds: Examples are nitric acid or sulfuric acid, both widely used. As to antifreeze: this is likely a class of substances, and might be worth a category. Note that certain fish also make antifreeze, the Sea wolves (en). So, there might be other classifications.--Eptalon (talk) 06:51, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be beneficial to have a new category for "Biomolecules"? Lights and freedom (talk) 05:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Chemical products is a possibility. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:24, 19 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you find a suitable parent, and get at least three of them, then why not? Eptalon (talk) 19:11, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

History of the Americas

We don't seem to have pages on the American wars of independence, including the topic of European powers in South America and Central America. Even our page on the Philippines doesn't deal properly with its history with the U.S. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:32, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just wrote a history section for Philippines, but it could still use more work from more hands. All my sources are of American origin. Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:26, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Becoming my home wiki

I just wanted to say thanks to all the contributors here at Simple Wiki. I have made the decision to migrate from enwiki to Simple Wiki. So this is now my home wiki. Thank you all! SoyokoAnis - talk 12:56, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]'s too quick for me to actively revert vandalism there, so I help out here. Derpdart56 (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
ENWiki is a great wiki nonetheless, but for some editors it is very complicated and everywhere. Simple Wiki even if its not the point is a very calm wiki. You can edit simply without the worry of your a new article you made get deleted a few DAYS later. SoyokoAnis - talk 14:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
yeah. Derpdart56 (talk) 14:59, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I often write an article on one wiki and then improve its counterpart on the other one! Darkfrog24 (talk) 02:16, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Spam of US cities

Hello, I was looking through Short pages in the Special pages category, and I saw a whole lot of US city articles with this text: Blank (the city) is a city in Blank (the state) in the United States. There are more than 50 of these. Can someone help me filter through these and determine what cities need a page and which ones don't? Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 16:29, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Midknight1342 May it be that all these cities warrant a page. There's a lot of them but I'm sure with the help of other simpledians, you can edit them without removing them. SoyokoAnis - talk 16:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I believe a good chunk of those were from unauthorized bot edits by a now blocked user known as User:Gay Yong Hernandez under an IP. Derpdart56 (talk) 17:31, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Derpdart56: That doesn't mean they should be deleted, though, in case anyone was thinking that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:13, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Midknight1342: If they are real cities, then they all can have a page. We definitely prefer to have more information, but cities, towns, and similar populated places are considered notable just because they exist. See en:WP:GEOLAND for the guideline. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep. We have someone who, every week or so, makes a bunch of stubs about Vermont towns. I get pinged in the IRC feed every time. It's not very fun, but they are notable (and there's so many of them). Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion timestamp

Does 7 days really need to be how long it is until a deletion consensus is decided? A lot of discussions barely get any attention. Would 5 days be a better timestamp? SoyokoAnis - talk 16:57, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A lack of attention would warrant a longer discussion time. However, considering current admin activity, the real discussion time seems far longer than 7 days. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 22:53, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Proposing simplification desk

I think this wiki would benefit from having a dedicated page where people can ask for help with making things simpler. As being simple is the entire reason it exists. I think it should be separate from Simple talk because some editors might not want to be burdened with constant messages on this page that they might not care about. And there are also admins' talk pages that get bombarded with questions like this. This could be a separate page in Wikipedia namespace, or it could be a part of User:Thesixthstaff/WikiProject Simplification. Alternatively, we could just use Simple talk, but I want to get a sense if others are ok with constant questions about minor things here. Thanks, Lights and freedom (talk) 17:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A benefit is that people would not have to respond right away. They could respond whenever they got time. Lights and freedom (talk) 17:21, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think making it a part of WikiProject Simplification might be a good idea but using Simple talk isn't too bad - simplification requests aren't taking up too much space here. --Ferien (talk) 20:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We have a tag to put on relevant articles. Historically this project has not supported creating additioanl noticeboards, and I don't think something like this is necessary. Organizing drives to simplify tagged articles, however, is very much something that could be productive. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 02:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's more so we can discuss what would be simpler. Someone might think they're simplifying, but they're actually replacing longer words with more complicated phrasal verbs, for example. Or maybe there are situations when the phrasal verbs would be easier. There are a few editors here who have worked with English-language learners and have professional knowledge of what is more easily understood, but many of us don't have that experience. Lights and freedom (talk) 02:48, 8 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I see, so you're talkinga bout whether it would be better to say "from nose to rear end" or "from nose to anus" when talking about snout-vent length (a way to say how big an amphibian or reptile is without involving its tail or big hind legs). Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:42, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting, I tried something similar about ten years ago. I see the userbox I created for it is being used here. I'm happy to see the idea for such a project still around. Kansan (talk) 22:39, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Darkfrog24: "Read end" wouldn't be a good term because:
  • It's slang.
  • It's mostly used in humans, not animals.
  • When used for humans, it means the buttocks rather than the anus.
I know it's the term used in Snout-vent length, but we should probably change that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:31, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Infobox settlement vs. custom infoboxes for states in a country

A lot of pages are currently using a custom infobox for states (or provinces, prefectures, departments, etc...) within a country. For example, Fukushima Prefecture uses Template:Infobox Prefecture Japan, Brandenburg uses Template:Infobox German state, Ontario uses Template:Infobox province or territory of Canada, and so on. These templates are usually a wrapper for Template:Infobox settlement. However, others use Infobox settlement directly, such as Nuevo León, Acre (state), and Chubut. Some don't use any version of Infobox settlement at all (Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes for example).

Many pages for states are currently missing a template entirely (such as Shiga Prefecture), and there are still more which don't exist here and need to be created or simplified from ENWiki. So, when adding an infobox to pages like these, should we use the appropriate country's template where possible (i.e Infobox Prefecture Japan for Shiga Prefecture), or use Infobox settlement directly? And for countries which seem to use a mix of the two, should we standardize it so the articles for every state in a country use the same template? Tymewalk (talk) 05:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. I don't know that there's any rule about that. The advantage of using the more-specific templates (including the wrapper templates) is that many things are automatically specified and other things are easier to specify. The disadvantage is that we have to maintain templates that could be replaced by the base settlement infobox. Enwiki seems to have fewer templates that call the settlement infobox, although they have some that we don't.
Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes uses the geobox template, which should be replaced with an appropriate infobox template. I was working on replacing it when a real life situation intervened. I plan to get back to it, but of course anyone else who would like to do that replacement is also welcome to. I've just been replacing it with the infobox used on enwiki, then addressing any issues caused by the replacement. Once all uses of the geobox template have been replaced, we can eliminate it as was done on enwiki. -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:40, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I need help with images!

Hello there, I am fairly new to Wikipedia and all, and when I added in an image, it was far away from the header I wanted it to be in. Does anyone know how to align them? DawnTheFirst (talk) 06:30, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DawnTheFirst: I should be able to help you with that. Can you give an example? Maybe add the image and save the page, then reply here and point to the problem? -- Auntof6 (talk) 07:11, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, here is an example:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Pharetra convallis posuere morbi leo urna. Dignissim diam quis enim lobortis. Pellentesque habitant morbi tristique senectus. Molestie ac feugiat sed lectus vestibulum mattis ullamcorper. Consequat mauris nunc congue nisi vitae suscipit. Quis enim lobortis scelerisque fermentum. Egestas tellus rutrum tellus pellentesque eu tincidunt. Condimentum vitae sapien pellentesque habitant.
As you can see, it kind of takes a big chunk of of the text space, and I want it aligned right. DawnTheFirst (talk) 00:58, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DawnTheFirst: This will be easier if we code it the way it would be on a page, without the indentation used on a talk page. I created User:Auntof6/sandbox3 for this, so go there and see a couple of examples that might be what you're looking for. Feel free to add sections if you want me to look at other alternatives.
A couple of other notes:
  • Usually there should be a caption with an image. I'll demonstrate how to do that on the sandbox page.
  • Usually the file would be coded on a separate line from the text and/or headings around it. I'll demonstrate that on the sandbox page as well.
Hope this helps. Let me know if these aren't what you need. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:18, 12 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@DawnTheFirst: Did this help at all? -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it did, many thanks! DawnTheFirst (talk) 04:04, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move request for Kharkiv

Frankly IDK why the page on Kharkiv was moved "Kharkov" in violation of WP:COMMONNAME. It should be moved back. Can someone help with this? Thanks! Firestar464 (talk) 09:15, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Firestar464 Looks like Eptalon has moved the page. Thanks for bringing this to attention! — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 12:18, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Firestar464 and @Fehufanga, just take a note, @Stefsera has changed the name to Kharkov in 2015 citing the reason as Traditional name of this city. DMK-C5 (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jackie Kennedy issues

There are still a few grammatical issues with Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis which I mentioned at the bottom of the talk page. TDKR Chicago 101 and Gotanda, as well as anyone else, may want to examine them. I'm not sure of the correct solution for these. Lights and freedom (talk) 18:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those edits Lights and freedom. They help. I don't think the article should have been promoted in the state it was with many very basic errors. --Gotanda (talk) 22:56, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The more I look, the more I find. There are more issues on the Talk page. --Gotanda (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's more. The settlement with Christina Onasis is incorrect according to the NYT ref. That's the sixth error I've found quoting incorrectly, refs not mentioning the information they cited for, or just wrong. And, I haven't even check most of them. The problems with the section on children are also not very good. At this point, considering a request for demotion. --Gotanda (talk) 08:28, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
More new issues on teh Talk page. --Gotanda (talk) 03:21, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Allowing Wikitext editors to preview changes in realtime

Community Tech has introduced a new beta feature. It allows editors to preview their changes side by side when writing in wikitext. The goal is to make it easier to review changes while editing. This was the wish number four of the Community Wishlist Survey 2021.

What does this feature change?

In the 2010 wikitext editor toolbar, a new button appears with the label “Preview”. The button enables a side by side comparison showing what the published content would look like. You can see an illustrative example on the screenshot.

We would like to check if the editing experience improves. If it does, we will make this change available for everyone by default.

What do I need to do?

If you want to try out our feature, make sure the New Wikitext mode beta feature is DISABLED. Feel free to provide feedback about the impact this new feature has on your editing experience.

See also: the original wishthe project page.

Thank you! ––– STei (WMF) (talk) 17:20, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Enquiry on Patroller rights

Hi, I would like to get the patroller flag on my account. I just wanted to know how much approx. pages do I need to create at least. DMK-C5 (talk) 13:41, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DMK-C5: There is no set number. That right is given to trusted users who have 1) done a reasonable amount of good vandalism fighting and 2) shown that the articles they create do not need to be patrolled. -- Auntof6 (talk) 05:31, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Since I have the eligibility in clause 1, I will focus more on clause 2. DMK-C5 (talk) 05:43, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The Vector 2022 skin as the default in two weeks?

The slides for our presentation at Wikimania 2022

Hello. I'm writing on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation Web team. In two weeks, we would like to make the Vector 2022 skin the default on this wiki.

We have been working on it for the past three years. So far, it has been the default on more than 30 wikis, including sister projects, all accounting for more than 1 billion pageviews per month. On average 87% of active logged-in users of those wikis use Vector 2022.

It would become the default for all logged-out users, and also all logged-in users who currently use Vector legacy. Logged-in users can at any time switch to any other skins. No changes are expected for users of these skins.

About the skin

[Why is a change necessary] The current default skin meets the needs of the readers and editors as these were 13 years ago. Since then, new users have begun using Wikimedia projects. The old Vector doesn't meet their needs.

[Objective] The objective for the new skin is to make the interface more welcoming and comfortable for readers and useful for advanced users. It draws inspiration from previous requests, the Community Wishlist Surveys, and gadgets and scripts. The work helped our code follow the standards and improve all other skins. We reduced PHP code in Wikimedia deployed skins by 75%. The project has also focused on making it easier to support gadgets and use APIs.

[Changes and test results] The skin introduces a series of changes that improve readability and usability. The new skin does not remove any functionality currently available on the Vector skin.

  • The sticky header makes it easier to find tools that editors use often. It decreases scrolling to the top of the page by 16%.
  • The new table of contents makes it easier to navigate to different sections. Readers and editors jumped to different sections of the page 50% more than with the old table of contents. It also looks a bit different on talk pages.
  • The new search bar is easier to find and makes it easier to find the correct search result from the list. This increased the amount of searches started by 30% on the wikis we tested on.
  • The skin does not negatively affect pageviews, edit rates, or account creation. There is evidence of increases in pageviews and account creation across partner communities.

[Try it out] Try out the new skin by going to the appearance tab in your preferences and selecting Vector 2022 from the list of skins.

@Kdammers, thank you for telling me about the issue you're facing. What icons do you mean, specifically? SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 01:12, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How can editors change and customize this skin?

It's possible to configure and personalize our changes. We support volunteers who create new gadgets and user scripts. Check out our repository for a list of currently available customizations, or add your own.

Our plan

If no large concerns are raised, we plan on deploying in the week of October 3, 2022. If your community would like to request more time to discuss the changes, hit the button and write to us. We can adjust the calendar.

Also, if you'd like ask our team anything, if you have questions, concerns, or additional thoughts, please ping me here or write on the talk page of the project. We will also gladly answer! See our FAQ. Thank you! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 02:54, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Discussion
I haven't been active lately and didn't intend to edit for at least a while, I have been so busy, but I came across this change and I wanted to confirm again if there is an option to keep the current vector skin if the new one does come in? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging @SGrabarczuk (WMF) for the above question. Jolly1253 (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You can find it in the Appearance tab in Preferences/My Settings. Here's a link to it. Explodicator7331 (talk) 20:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes @Tsugaru, you can keep the current Vector skin. SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 10:09, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello everyone, we are not making the change this week. We decided to start with a smaller number of even smaller wikis. I'm sorry for confusion! According to the current plan, we would make the change in the week of October 17. If you're interested in the project, I'm encouraging you to subscribe to the newsletter, and keep an eye on the timeline of deployments. Your thoughts on that are most welcome! SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 01:42, 5 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Total Erasure

I created an article a few days ago. It was challenged. I responded this morning, explaining why the article "Belmont 112" should not be a speedy delete. Less than six hours later, the article is gone. It is not even in my list of contributions. I did not get a response to my explanation as to why it should not be deleted.

I think this is wrong for two reasons. First, in this specific case, an article was totally erased without any trace far less than a working day after a wait explanation was posted. And this was done without my being given any notification of counterarguments or even that there would actually be a removal. Second, in general, I think it is a bad practice to have an algorithm that totally erases any trace of a removed article from the creator's contributions list (Maybe the article exists somewhere, but it is well hidden, since it doesn't come up in a search). Kdammers (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Kdammers: To address your last point first, you can see pages you created that have been deleted. Click on "My changes" at the top of any page. On that screen, click on the "deleted user contributions" link near the top.
As for the deletion itself, you can ask for it to be reviewed at WP:Deletion review. I think you have a good case to have it restored. MathXplore placed the quick delete request because the text was the same as the enwiki article, and Macdonald-ross deleted it. However, it's okay for articles here to be the same as enwiki as long as 1) the language is simple enough and 2) attribution is given. Very little needed to be done to simplify the language, and it would be an easy matter to give attribution. (I know you intended to post it here instead of on enwiki, but since it was on enwiki first you still need to give attribution.)
Hope this helps. -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:51, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 and Kdammers: You will actually have to press on "logs" where you will be able to see the log of your page creations. The "deleted user contributions" link only appears for administrators. --Ferien (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferien: Oops, thanks for the clarification. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6 According to en:Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Where attribution is not needed, it's not necessary to attribute if you're copying only your own text. Unless there's a different rule on simplewiki, Kdammers would not have to attribute. Lights and freedom (talk) 21:03, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Lights and freedom: Looks like you're right. Thanks for the note. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:05, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In line with this, I've restored the article. Also noting that QDs do not go through deletion review; contested QDs (with valid reason) cannot be actioned as QDs are exclusively for non-controversial deletions. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 22:20, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then maybe we need to change the verbiage on the wait template which says "Note that this request is not a guarantee, and the page may still be deleted if it meets the quick deletion criteria, or if an explanation is not provided very soon." -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:49, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say the verbiage is fine. Contested QDs without a valid reason ("I think my cat is notable!") can still be QD'd, so it's not a guarantee for those cases.--Gordonrox24 | Talk 23:32, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I want to thank every-one who quickly chimed in to clarify things here and to restore the page. I do still have one question, though. Where do I find "logs"? Kdammers (talk) 18:49, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Kdammers: Special:Log/Kdammers. --Ferien (talk) 18:51, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A new bot idea

There’s a bot to stop vandalizing, and what if there was a bot to create and simplify articles. Here’s an idea. Basically, you just take from an article in another language, that already exists, and translate it to English. Then translate it to Simple English. I feel that this would be a nice idea. Maybe a bot, to automatically simplify topics with {{complex}} SikiWtideI (talk) 22:41, 7 October 2022 (UTC)SikiWtideI[reply]

@SikiWtideI: I don't believe that automatically simplifying articles is possible. Even the content translator, which supposedly "translates" to simple language, doesn't really simplify the way we want here.
As for a bot to create articles, it was decided in the past that we don't want that. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:43, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Auntof6: Oh, ok. I guess the simplifying part would be hard. The website Simple English Wikipedia uses dosen’t recognize every word, and is a little difficult.

List of Sharpie markers colors

I am looking at this, and thinking it is in effect an advertisement, even though prices are not listed. I'm sure we have met this kind of thing before. What do others think? I lean towards deletion. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:44, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don’t feel like it is. This is showing all colors in Sharpie markers, while advertising for it would be showing prices. I do feel that there is a lot of items. SikiWtideI (talk) 22:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)SikiWtideI[reply]

Article deleted by Eptalon. Griff (talk) 16:18, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

More mobile stuff could be better

So, here is something I have seen.

When clicking on a notification that redirects to a page, it will not open in the mobile version if the user is on “”. I’d also like HotCat to be seen on mobile. SikiWtideI (talk) 00:26, 9 October 2022 (UTC)SikiWtideI[reply]

Not much can be done there, the Minerva skin (default on mobile) has...a lot of difficulty with providing editors the buttons they need. I currently use Timeless (regardless of mobile or desktop), which works great, but new Vector seems to work pretty well on mobile too. Vermont 🐿️ (talk) 21:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of Wanted Pages

... is generally useless for our purposes at least, because it is entirely dominated by place-names. Most of these would never be important to us. We still haven't got good pages on all capital cities! London is still only so-so. Macdonald-ross (talk) 10:45, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Macdonald-ross: We don't seem to have Wikipedia:List of Wanted Pages, or even Wikipedia:List of wanted pages. Do you mean Wikipedia:Requested pages, or maybe Special:WantedPages? -- Auntof6 (talk) 13:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was looking at Special:WantedPages. Macdonald-ross (talk) 05:24, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like eliminating incoming red links from templates and making it only incoming red links from the running text of the articles would help. Possible? See Prototribosphenida. --Gotanda (talk) 09:42, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gotanda's idea might work well. We'ld have to think about the redlinks on boxes (which are regularly updated by D.J. Sasso). At present I hand-simplify many of these, because they are generally far too complex for our readers. There's definitely a general problem that we can and do simplify text, but surrounding it are these rather scary boxes. En wiki boxes are far more sophisticated than they were 20 years ago. But kids are just the same! Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:25, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sky whatnots

We have a page Tokyo SkyCity, which En wiki does not have. They have a page Tokyo Skytree which we do not have. They do not seems to be describing the same building, so perhaps someone who knows can set us straight. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:31, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I found the en/jawiki article and moved the page per en/ja. MathXplore (talk) 15:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rename for Atlantic Coastal Plain

Hello, I was wondering whether to rename Atlantic coastal plain to Atlantic Plain, so it can be generalized. On enwiki, Atlantic coastal plain is an offshoot of Atlantic Plain. I'm trying to make this a good article since I created it, so can I get some insight from some more experienced editors?

Cheers, Midknight of the Abyss (talk) 16:12, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Based on en:Physiographic regions of the United States, the Atlantic Plain should also include the Gulf of Mexico plain from Texas to Florida. For some reason, this also includes the continental shelf, which is underwater. The "Coastal Plain" as defined by that page is just the entire plain but without the underwater part. It seems to incorrectly link to "Atlantic Coastal Plain". I think it's incorrect because en:Atlantic Coastal Plain only talks about the Atlantic coast and not the entire plain. It might be better to just have an article at simplewiki that's called Atlantic Plain and includes both the Atlantic coast and the Gulf coast. Lights and freedom (talk) 18:16, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

A better name for Finding a Mice's Husband would be Finding a Mouse's Husband, with whatever capitalisation is conventional here. I couldn’t see how to move it myself, hence this request. Thanks —Northernhenge (talk) 20:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Northernhenge: That would be more grammatically correct in English. However, since it's not an English-language story, maybe the proposed title isn't any more accurate. I just consulted Google Translate, which translates the title from the linked page to "A mouse looking for a sweetheart". Actually, though, the page should probably be deleted because it doesn't show notability.
By the way, the reason you couldn't see how to move it is probably because you aren't autoconfirmed yet. For that, your account has to be at least 4 days old, which it is, and you need to have made at least 10 edits, which you haven't yet. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:19, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Auntof6Northernhenge (talk) 21:38, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Northernhenge and Auntof6: I found a source for this article. Let's continue this on its own talk page. Darkfrog24 (talk) 00:06, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Darkfrog24: See my note on the talk page. A duplicate page was created -- note that a page at the suggested better name now exists. -- Auntof6 (talk) 00:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This user is indeffed on for doing the same thing they seem to be doing here: creating a boatload of sports related articles. Does this apply under wp:ONESTRIKE? Or am I jumping the gun on this one? Derpdart56 (talk) 19:31, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And also sockpuppetry, as well. Derpdart56 (talk) 19:34, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Derpdart56: I wouldn't say they're creating a "boatload" of articles here. It looks like they've only created a few on any given day. I also don't see this user receiving any warnings about anything that would be a reason to block them.
If you think the user has engaged in sockpuppetry here, you can make a report at WP:RCU. -- Auntof6 (talk) 19:51, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They're blocked on and commons for sockpuppetry (see en:wp:Sockpuppet investigations/Sander.v.Ginkel/Archive, they're in the section for May) but the master has only made 4 edits here. I'm more just concerned they're attempting to do some cross-wiki block evasion on simple because of their block on en. Derpdart56 (talk) 20:02, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Derpdart56:, yes I’m being blocked for sockpuppetry (also nl-wiki). I regret that. A lot. I’m not being blocked for creating a high number of stubs, however a group of people didn’t appreciate it. But also from that I learned and I wouldn’t continue creating huge amount of articles from database sources (Note: I created the total amount of articles I created here over the last months… sometimes per day).
You call it a “boatload of sports related articles” I’m creating here. That sounds to me you don’t like the quality of the articles I published. If that is indeed the case, please come to my talk page to talk about it. I’m open to criticism and willing to improve. SportsOlympic (talk) 20:18, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was more so concerned with you block evading here but if you sincerely regret it, then I'm gonna drop the stick and try to assume good faith. Derpdart56 (talk) 20:23, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I do regret it, and won’t make the same mistakes here. And when looking at it, yes, now I see. I made some edits (4) with Sander.v.Ginkel account during a wrong logging in. Would it be sufficient to state on my account page I’m also the owner of that account (and wouldn’t disuse it)? SportsOlympic (talk) 20:26, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And to be complete, see the edits I made at the time I wasn’t logged in: (her with SportsOlympic (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It seems highly inappropriate and unwelcoming to post on ANI about a user doing something that is well within the rules. There is no need to create drama out of thin air. Kansan (talk) 20:39, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP blocks under block evasion

Does IPs also get blocked (only under block evasion) if we provide evidence based on their location, as we have some applications on location tracking system.? Dibyojyotilet's chat 03:48, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@DRC-B5 Depends if the IPs are open proxies. If they are, then it's almost useless. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 04:13, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Fehufanga. Dibyojyotilet's chat 04:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
IP's are IP's. I do not think us regular users have access to checkuser tools. SoyokoAnis - talk 12:03, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely not @SoyokoAnis but there is a possibility that a person can use different IPs to do spam changes. For this purpose I asked so. Dibyojyotilet's chat 14:50, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess it depends on whether you can see the IP is evading a block. If they share the behaviour of a blocked user and they share a location, then they would be blocked, but for simply having the same location then no. I'd leave the technical stuff like location of IPs to CUs. --Ferien (talk) 12:29, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]