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William Wilfred Campbell Poetry Festival

William Wilfred Campbell Poetry Festival, seems like a local festival which is organized yearly. The festival is organized in the name of William Wilfred Campbell a Canadian poet. The festival might not be notable on it's own. So I am asking community, what they think will be the best action? Delete it, keep it as it is or put a small section in the poets page about this festival and redirect it there. Thanks-BRP ever 08:13, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Well, the poet is notable, but that is not inherited by the festival, which has no independent source for its own notability. Cut out all the guff, and have a para on the festival in as a sub-head under the poet's page, that seems good. But basically, notability is not inherited! English WP has the poet, and not the Festival. Because readers will find the poet's page, the festival doesn't really need a redirect, but it does little harm. Macdonald-ross (talk) 08:31, 19 April 2018 (UTC)

Swaziland/eSwatini

The country is apparently in the process of renaming itself. Our article was renamed, but I have renamed it back for now, because the rename is apparently not complete yet and because enwiki is holding off. See en:Talk:Swaziland#Is new name oficially confirmed? for more info. If/when we do rename, all related articles and categories should be renamed at the same time, and any templates that link to such articles should be updated. I recommend that we have a consensus before doing any of these changes. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

There is no further process for the country to rename itself from what I understand. There is no approval required from any higher authority than the king, so 'further process' will not be forthcoming. It's a done deal. We should keep the international names of countries up to date and the main resistance to doing so seems like trying to spite the king's wishes, which is an emotional reward (spite), not a logical one. Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 15:44, 21 April 2018 (UTC)
Your mention of the "international names of countries" is exactly the point. Wikipedia articles use the words by which a subject is commonly known in each language. Currently, in English that is still Swaziland. Most Wikimedia projects still use that name, and we should do the same for now. I will copy this conversation to Talk:Swaziland. Let's have any further discussion there. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:53, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Guantanamo Bay detention camp

I really didn't expect to be back here so soon, though on an entirely different topic. A new page arrived en bloc in one edit. It is Guantanamo bay detention camp. Looking through it I had some concerns as to its relationship to the En wiki version. You can read my concerns on the article's talk page. Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

There is no user:Yorkienbie on En wiki, and most of the references direct out of the wiki, and do not actually work: they do not deliver support for the text. And so I do not believe this is genuinely a version of the En wiki page. The subject-matter is extremely controversial, and I sense this may be a propaganda plant. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
As pointed out on the talk page, I have copied over the EnWP version, and started to simplify it. I also said there that there is a difference of about 200k that the version we have is smaller than the EnWP one. Simplifying the text will take a considerable amount of time, and I think the original author should be included. --Eptalon (talk) 15:12, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Asking for creating a new series warning templates for sending bad emails

Hi! I thinked one day on a new series user warning templates, for sending bad e-mails, and those template names could be: {{Uw-email1}}, {{Uw-email2}}, {{Uw-email3}} and {{Uw-email4}}. Those templates could be used to warn users for sending bad emails to other users. When an user sends a bad email to other user, the template (s) can be used. The templates can be used when a user send email that could be known as a "personal attack", "vandalism-email", "spam" (many emails at a time) and "adversting-email".-- Psl631 talk contributions 13:25, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

The issue with this idea is that emails are private communication, and in cases of bad emails being sent, it should either be reported to administrators or discussed over email/on a talk page. Pre-made warning templates simply aren't feasible for this situation, if it were to happen. Vermont (talk) 13:29, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
Yes, if someone is misusing the email facility with a personal attack, this could be handled differently. For instance, a complaint could be made to an oversighter by email, attaching a copy of the offending item. It's quite rare for such attacks to happen, actually. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:43, 23 April 2018 (UTC)

Time to bring embedded maps (‘mapframe’) to most Wikipedias

CKoerner (WMF) (talk) 21:38, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed status

I am confused as to why my account doesn't seem to have the autoconfirmed status, although I have made more than 10 entries & the account is years old. I don't see a move tab on an article that I want to move, and on a semi-protected page I see the warning that I can't edit it. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:53, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Odd; you have more than 10 edits and more than 4 days on wiki. I checked the abuse filter log and didn't see anything in your name, so it doesn't look like it was removed from you by the abuse filter. I'll ask around. Vermont (talk) 11:00, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
David Biddulph: Found the issue! You need one more edit. Vermont (talk) 11:10, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Vermont Why one more? I count 13 previous ones, so this will be the 14th. Is 13 not "at least 10"? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure why one more, it only recognized 9 of them when I checked your edit count with xtools. Either way, it worked and you're now autoconfirmed! Vermont (talk) 11:14, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
 (change conflict)  The system recognizes you have just 11 edits now, of which one is deleted. Maybe it just counts visible edits. I don't know, and the deleted edit is old. Anyway, you have autoconfirmed status now. Regards, --MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:16, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
Thank you both. If the criterion is not as stated at WP:User access levels#Autoconfirmed users, then the latter presumably needs to be corrected? --David Biddulph (talk) 11:19, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
It is because a number of your edits are imported edits from en.wiki. You didn't actually make them here, you made them on en.wiki where they would have been counted against en.wiki as opposed to simple.wiki, just counting edits on history isn't quite accurate because we do a lot of importing here. The 10 edits need to be edits made on this wiki. The system won't count imported edits. The wording there is correct, technically its your counting of edits that is incorrect. -DJSasso (talk) 11:39, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Add template (s) for adminrights granted and adminrights removed

Hi, I asking for new templates for when a user gains privileges, example:Rollback and templates for when rights are removed, example:Admin, but when I tried to create a template, Template:Adminrights removed (and doc page) both pages was deleted due to nondiscussed templates. I start discuss now with templates for userrights granted or revoked. The template, can contain a "user", "1" (unnamed parameter), "blocked" and "time" (only for the revoked rights template) parameter. I can also add link to how the right is used. Any questions ask in "Comments" section :). Thanks! -- Psl631 Leave me a message! my changes email me 12:11, 27 April 2018 (UTC)


Comments

Ask comments here.

  • I don't mean to be harsh, but dude. People have told you already a few times, we don't need templates for everything. Especially for these type of things. We would write a personal message for this as a template message is impersonal. -DJSasso (talk) 12:14, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
User:Djsasso Ok. I forgot to discuss before creating the template or the page will be deleted, the page was deleted :(. REMEMBER TO DISCUSS BEFORE CREATING! -- Psl631 Leave me a message! my changes email me 12:21, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
  • To be honest, it is very unlikely you will find a template of this nature or really most of the ones I have seen you suggest around the wiki that will be needed. We are a small wiki and those kinds of templates just plain are not needed here. What I am really saying is probably forget about trying to find templates like this to create rather than trying to get you to discuss. -DJSasso (talk) 12:30, 27 April 2018 (UTC)
  • And this shouldn't even be a general discussion. It should be a question to the people who would be granting and removing rights, asking if they want such templates. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:33, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

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Hello again. We do have a guideline, called Criteria for Adminship. We are a small Wiki, with, I'd guess, between 20 and 30 regular named contributors. Many of the trustworthy editors have been awarded adminship privileges. As it says in the guideline: "Adminship is about trust". It is not comparable to a request for deletion, or a quick-deletion request. In that context, using templates might be nice, but it's ont something that we pressingly need. If you trust someone you take the extra time to actually type, rather than usining a template. Also note: I don't think we get more than 2-3 serious requests for adminship/bureaucrat per year (the cases worth considering, not the clear-cut ones). --Eptalon (talk) 13:37, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Twinkle

Hi, is there a way to avoid adding automatically the pages that I edit with Twinkle to my watchlist? Esteban16 (talk) 00:20, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

It should be at Special:MyPage/twinkleoptions.js. Tell me if that works. If it doesn't, go to Wikipedia:Twinkle/Preferences. Vermont (talk) 00:23, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
It worked, although I used the Twinkle panel preferences instead. Thank you, Esteban16 (talk) 00:27, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Help

Hi, could you move the name of the article Fatemeh Parisa Movaghar to DJ Mixify please ? Thanks ! FPMovaghar (talk) 15:07, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

This article is currently listed for deletion, there's a discussion about deleting it. Before the discussion is finished, the article cannot be moved. --Eptalon (talk) 15:12, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
@Eptalon: - You should also be aware that DJ Mixify has been repeatedly created and deleted six times in the past as non notable (last time December 2017) and I believe it was previously salted for a period of time. DaneGeld (talk) 17:08, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
@Eptalon: The discussion may be unnecessary, and Fatemeh Parisa Movaghar may be able to be QD'd per G4. See Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2018/Parisa Mixify, who I'm 90% sure is the same person. In December of last year, a user moved DJ Mixify to Fatemeh Parisa, and two days later moved that page to Parisa Mixify, which was deleted by the aforementioned RfD in February. Vermont (talk) 17:15, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Can't be G4'd as the content of the deleted version and this version are significantly different. G4 is only allowed if its the same content not just the same subject. -DJSasso (talk) 23:09, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
Okay. As I have no ability to see the deleted version, I didn't know (that's why I said "may be able to be QD'd per G4). Vermont (talk) 23:17, 28 April 2018 (UTC)
No worries, was just explaining why I said it couldn't for others benefit. -DJSasso (talk) 23:34, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

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As I said before: As long as the RfD is running, moving is not an option (as it likely breaks the templates). After the RfD ends, we can look at moving, if the article is kept. --Eptalon (talk) 08:08, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Move Tab

Please add move tab to change the title of pages AJP426 (talk) 10:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

We have a move tab, but you need to be Autoconfirmed user to move a page. Thanks-BRP ever 10:13, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

account

my account is automatic logged out can you fix it? AJP426 (talk) 10:19, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

It has happened to my account also, try to tick the "Keep me logged in" tickbox when logging in next time or log out and back in again. -- Psl631 Mail-closed.svg Pencil.svg Mail-forward.svg 10:22, 29 April 2018 (UTC)


School projects and how to interact

Hi. This is the first time I have been aware of a school project being undertaken on this Wikipedia and I would like to ask for any advice from other editors who may have been involved before, with regard to how to interact with the projects, what to do and what not to do, etc. For example, I just noticed the creation of the article on Loretta Sanchez which appears to be a BLP. It's a stub, but isn't marked as such and has no references. What would you do with this? Do you leave it for the students to work on, or is it acceptable to tag? I would really like to make sure I don't screw this up, because it's really good to see Wikipedia being used as a training ground for students who may become valuable editors to us in the future. Thanks! DaneGeld (talk) 20:12, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I was a campus ambassador for a project in... 2012? 2011? on simple.wp and it was mostly a failure as the students put off their work until the last minute or never did it at all. As for best practices, the nice thing is that you will probably be interacting with adults who have 1.) a vested interest in doing well and 2.) high English proficiency compared to our intended readership, so you can point them to policy pages without fear that they are too complex for the reader to really understand. —Justin (koavf)TCM☯ 22:53, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
@DaneGeld: I would say to ask the project leader. They would be able to say whether they want the articles left alone until the students have gotten to a certain point, or if certain kinds of edits would be welcome. In some cases, the leaders have wanted changes mentioned on article talk pages instead of being made directly. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:47, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
I usually leave it until the project time is over, I believe the length of the project is usually listed on the main project page, at which point once that is up I make the changes I think need made. -DJSasso (talk) 00:14, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

Chittagong/Chattogram

Hi. I recall us some time ago having a discussion about the use of the name Chattogram over Chittagong, as a user on here had moved the article citing the fact that the city had been renamed. I also recall there being some comment about the fact that the English Wikipedia still had it called Chittagong, and that we'd follow their convention or something similar. This is all very vague and I cannot remember where we had the conversation. I have just checked Wikidata (here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q376749) and every single Wikipedia (barring Polish) still has Chittagong as the official title, thus I've reverted ours back too. I am at a loss as to where we discussed this, so any help figuring this out would be welcomed. Thank you. DaneGeld (talk) 22:53, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

We are Simple English Wikipedia; the idea is to use the most common name. I know we also had a similar discussion about eSwatini/Swaziland. Just because the name is now different doesn't mean people will use the new name. --Eptalon (talk) 11:21, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

How can the vector skin be customized?

Hi! I ask how the skin I using be customized, using the Special:Mypage/vector.css or Special:Mypage/vector.js pages, I asking where I can change the "font" of the Wikipedia pages using those pages? -- Psl631 talk 12:58, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

You would have to understand how to code css. -DJSasso (talk) 15:50, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@Djsasso: Please give me simple step-to-step instructions so I can customize my own skin, or a link to the instruction page. -- Psl631 talk 15:57, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
This is not a social network or your personal homepage. I don't think it is in line with project interests to teach you how to customise the MediaWiki interface from scratch. You will probably have more luck checking the MediaWiki documentation itself. Chenzw  Talk  16:02, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@Chenzw: I would only add a "font" tag so I would have a custom font instead on the default font on all pages. (Please add link to MediaWiki documentation if possible) -- Psl631 talk 16:07, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
There is no simple step by step guide. Doing these sorts of things is outside the scope of this project, if you would like to do these things you will have to go learn about them out in the world. -DJSasso (talk) 16:48, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
And I feel I should also ask you to read WP:CIR as you are treading very closely on me thinking about a WP:ONESTRIKE situation due to your block on en.wiki. -DJSasso (talk) 16:53, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
@Djsasso: I want to customize my own .css and.js skin pages, and I do not know the HTML markup, how do I? Where is the HTML help page? and I DO NOT violate WP:ONESTRIKE here, I make good anti-vandal work here. -- Psl631 talk 16:55, 2 May 2018 (UTC)
We don't have help pages for those things here, those are things you have to learn from other pages on the internet or through books or classes. One of the many issues you had on en.wiki is that of incompetence, you have been displaying the same sort of issues over here as well. I am just doing a courtesy of letting you know you are pretty darn close to being blocked. -DJSasso (talk) 17:00, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

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Ok, please, can we stop making this discussion, I would not talk to much.-- Psl631 talk 17:03, 2 May 2018 (UTC)