Talk:Political status of Taiwan

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Yep, what about taxation, do Taiwanese pay taxes to mainland China?— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs)

No, they don't. The PRC doesn't rule Taiwan, only claims it. Taiwan is only a province of the PRC on maps.--Flsxx 05:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is confusing, Taiwan has not claimed soverignty over China since 1992. Wenzi 03:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RoC and Mongolia[change source]

Are you sure? Mongolia is part of the ROC? that isn't what it says on EN Wiki. I've never heard anything like that before in my life. If it is true I will be very surprised. :p Benniguy talkchanges 19:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The RoC was a pre war country. It included all of the old Empire, hence Mongolia (a which became an independent soviet republic in 1922 I think). Today the ROC only controls Taiwan and the Pescadores, but it was bigger, and until a peace treaty ends the civil war could still claim to be the legitimate successor of the old Republic--Bärliner 19:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In everyday terms used in England, the ROC, the Republic of China, is Taiwan. The PRC, the People's Republic of China, is China. Basically, those in charge of Taiwan used to be those in charge of China until they lost a civil war of sorts. They still claim to be the rulers of the whole area. When they were in charge of China, they claimed Mongolia.
As the second paragraph of this article on EN states:
"Currently, Taiwan, Penghu, Kinmen (Quemoy), Matsu and some other minor islands effectively make up the jurisdiction of the state known as the Republic of China. The ROC ruled mainland China, and claimed sovereignty over Outer Mongolia and Tannu Uriankhai (part of which is present day Tuva) before losing the Chinese Civil War and relocating its government to Taipei in December 1949."
So yes, and it's all very long-winded and complicated and somewhat of a potential flashpoint, to the extent that a declaration of independence by Taiwan could lead to an invasion by China and that's why the US keeps a fairly substantial naval presence in the area. MindTheGap (talk) 19:54, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

wow. that contradicts everything i ever thought. lol. Oh gosh, Ive been writing it down wrong @ school for the last 5 years :S Benniguy talkchanges 19:57, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What you have been writing down is de facto. What the RoC of today claims is history and maybe hope. I doubt if it even regarded as de jure anymore.--Bärliner 20:00, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if it wasn't such a contentious issue I'd suggest editing around it, but that could cause a lot of grief. In other situations, for example the fact that Russia and Japan are still at war from 1945 but little is said and it really means little (barring the disputed islands) but in this situation a declaration by the ROC/Taiwan could create a large-scale war MindTheGap (talk) 20:04, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Should we not indicate that the ROC's power used to be over Mongolia? and now is only over Taiwan and a few other islands. Benniguy talkchanges 20:11, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Probably easier to leave things as they are because the ROC technically still includes Mongolia even if it does not exercise any control over it. Might be easier to decide whether to call the Northern Irish city on the River Foyle "Derry" or "Londonderry"! MindTheGap (talk) 20:27, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Actually is it Londonderry or Doiré :) --Bärliner 20:30, 20 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]