User talk:Fugu99

Hallo, and welcome to Simple English Wikipedia! I hope that you have a useful and productive time editing here. I also hope that you will take out the time and effort to please read up various basic instructions on how to Edit/Write here on this site. Among the various regulations herein, you will also find that (a) while its good to add new and good, well-sourced information (b) it's not good to remove any sourced information and/or names etc from lists, on various pages, without providing any reason/information (on the article's talk page where you have removed anything) why you are doing so or what the rationale is. I note that you have in fact removed the name of Ayub K. Ommaya a famous Pakistani-American neurosurgeon from article on the Swatis tribe. Now, Mr Ayub Ommaya, originally hailing from Garhi Habibullah, in Mansehra District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan) did belong to this tribe and is/was a notable person, so I was wondering if you could explain here or on the article's talk page, why you removed his name from the list of notable Swatis? I shall await your response and thank you for your cooperation. Best regards, Hamneto (talk) 10:21, 10 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

There is no evidence for this statement. In fact this is not Dr. Ommaya's real name. Dr. Ommaya has 2 living brothers and 1 living sister. None of them agree with your statement that Dr. Ommaya's real name ends with Swati, and you provide no evidence for your assertion. Please do not propagate this misinformation.

Regarding your above statement[change source]

Hallo, dear Fugu99. Thanks for your response-- but Whoa, please hold your horses! I am not 'propagating' any misinformation. This is the Simple English Wikipedia and this information was given by another Pakistani editor 'a priori', I am only patrolling some of the Pakistan related pages and asked you the above query in routine, based on information provided by Pakistani editors, claiming reliable sources as basis. No information goes up here that isnt reliably sourced in the first instance and although Im very sorry that you dont agree with this information about Dr Ommaya, I am not personally aware of any fact/s except the material cited above (as provided). However, if you challenge this materials reliability and claim to represent Dr Ommaya's family (brothers and sisters) please email me firm and reliable evidence as to this claim/assertion-- it could be either a scanned statement by Dr Ommaya's family members or other information/sources etc, as deemed advisable by you. In that case, we shall share this information with editors and also make sure that Dr Ommaya's name doesnt appear here on this Swatis list, thereafter. With good wishes, Hamneto (talk) 02:39, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Further changes[change source]

Dear Fugu99, I see youve made further changes to another article, on Ayub K. Ommaya. Please refer to the above note/s etc. I would once again please request you to provide reliably sourced material/evidence for your statements/changes. If you cannot do so, then the original text of the article shall be reverted to. All material on Simple English Wikipedia needs to be supported with such reliable material, if you wish you can email this (for both the Swatis and the Ayub K Ommaya articles) directly or add to the talk pages (in lesser detail however). I look forward to hearing from you with positive changes/references. Regards, Hamneto (talk) 12:20, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Below are links to 5 obituaries regarding Dr. Ommaya. You'll notice that none of them state that his name ends in Swati. Articles that do list his place of birth state is Mian Chanu. Ayub's sister is Nadine Khanum she has a facebook page https://www.facebook.com/nadine.khanum.9 When asked about Swati she said:

Nadine Khanum commented on your status. Nadine wrote: "No it is not Swati some people are crazy where they get their information"

http://nihrecord.od.nih.gov/newsletters/2008/08_22_2008/milestones.htm

http://www.wfns.org/pages/obituaries/72.php?id=149

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/13/AR2008071301791.html

http://www.americanrhodes.org/news-obituaries-126.html

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(08)61642-6/fulltext

Dear Fugu99, hello and thanks! Very interesting obituaries, and is there any way (apart from Facebook) that I can contact and confirm from Miss Nadine Khanum, the statement that you make on her behalf? Maybe an email address or telephone number for (I presume) Pakistan? You see all these obituaries give almost the same information, except one says Dr Ommaya was 'born in Rawalpindi (North Punjab) in 1930' whereas another says he was born in Mian Chanu (Central Punjab)as you say. I would also like to share here some information that was given to me previously by a Professor Muhammad Asif Khan Tanoli, of Mansehra, Pakistan, who made the claim that Dr Ayub K. Ommaya was from the Swatis tribe, of that area (i.e. Mansehra). This information, received 2-3 months back, can be summed up thus:

1. Dr Ommaya was born in Punjab (then in undivided British India) in 1930
2. His father was one Nader Khan, resident of Garhi Habibullah, and of the Swati Pashtun tribe, who served as a 'VCO' (Viceroys Commissioned Officer) in the British Indian Army-- in support of which he submitted 2 scanned documents from old Indian Army Lists, circa 1920s-30s, where a 'Nader Khan' is listed with his 'caste' given as 'Swati Pathan', of 'Garhi Habibullah, tehsil Mansehra in Hazara district of NWFP'.
3. That Dr Ommaya had 1 brother and 1 sister, from a 'French Catholic' mother. The sister's name wasnt given but the brother was mentioned as 'Brigadier retired Jan Nader Khan, Swati'--apparently, this gentleman retired from the Pakistan Army and later served as Director of some 'Kohistan Development Corporation' (also in NWFP)--? Is that correct please? Or could you correct this? The professor from Mansehra also submitted a scanned copy of a page from a 1981 English daily from Pakistan , giving the brigadiers interview, where he mentions that his father's family belonged originally to Garhi Habibullah area. Could you please also confirm or deny this?

In all cases please, do provide reliable secondary sources, to correct the existing information and commenting on it. If possible, any direct contact with either of Dr Ommaya's brothers as you say, or his sister, would be really welcome and helpful in once and for all determining the true position. Meanwhile, I am on your assurance removing the remaining mention of Dr Ommaya from the Swati article. Best regards, Hamneto (talk) 05:47, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto.[reply]

Nadine's email is mattyhyat at hotmail.com; Jacob's email is justjakes5 at hotmail.com. Jacob is a brother. Ayub had two brothers Jan and Jacob and one sister Nadine. Ayub's mother was Ida. His father Nadir Khan was a Jemadar in the British Indian Calvary (Bengal Lancers) and his mother Ida was a housewife. Ayub’s father fought in France during World War I, and was determined to find a wife there. He met Ayub’s mother in Eu, France in 1922. Ayub’s father died when he was 13, his oldest brother Jan joined the Army to help support the family and eventually rose to the rank of Brigadier General.

Here is a link to a list of CDA chairmen. You'll notice no Swati after John's name.

http://www.cda.gov.pk/about_us/history/xchairmen.asp

Here is a link with a picture of Jan and a description of the Adventure Foundation which Jan started.

http://books.google.com/books?id=28ksjpjqeLIC&pg=PA109&lpg=PA109&dq=%22jan+nadir+khan%22&source=bl&ots=ypePpR8vKe&sig=jzI7gRxh_vbRnLc9pLnINxUKZQw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Okz3UPC6AojO0QH5ooCAAg&ved=0CDAQ6AEwADgK#v=onepage&q=%22jan%20nadir%20khan%22&f=false

Re latest information[change source]

Dear Fugu99, thanks for the latest information. Unfortunately, the CDA site doesnt give any information at all, beyond a name, dates of office (1983-84) and a photo, which really doesnt help very much; and the Google books link also doesnt lead to the purported description of the Adventure Foundation. However, your revised/brief early family history seems accurate, although not supported by any printed or online secondary sources of a reliable nature. If I may, I shall try to to contact either Ms Nadine Khanum or Mr Jacob Khan, the siblings of Dr Ayub Khan; as you havent given any email address for the Brigadier Jan Nadir Khan? Is it ok if I do so, please? What reference (i.e. your name) should I cite when writing/emailing these people?Id be grateful for your help please, thanks.Hamneto (talk) 03:55, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Sure I am Ayub's son Alex. Jan is 88 years old.

Aha. I am very thankful to you dear Alex, what Ive had the privilege of reading/researching , your respected father was a fine and great human being. I shall if its ok, write to your aunt, and also solicit her views on some of these points here above, to help clarify them once for all. Many good wishes, Hamneto (talk) 10:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Please do so, thank you very much.

Hallo. Ive already sent in a query to Ms Nadine Khanum via my research assistant, and an email will be received from him asking for further particulars, which I'd be grateful if Ms Khanum could kindly respond to, thanks Hamneto (talk) 09:07, 19 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]