Talk:Magomed Tushayev

Death[change source]

I presume the media and news posted by Chechenian President Kadyrov is not trusted/considered as a valid source? As The Video posted by Kadyrov on his official verified VK profile refutes the claims of his death and shows video of him allegedly operating on 21.3.22 as seen on the live drone feed and others, there were other alleged videos, but this seems to be the best video as of date proof goes. While I get the distrust towards the Russian media and officials, Ukranians haven't showed any proof of his demise at least that I have seen, if I'm mistaken please link me. And all the articles are based of info from Ukranian military service and their tweet. Haven't seen anyone refuting the videos posted by Kadyrov, doesn't look like a green screen but I ain't no expert, we can also see some coordinates on the feed which could be a clue of the reality of the feed. Would love some input on this. 194.56.225.86 (talk) 22:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think both sides spread fake news on purpose, Wikipedia should be very careful. Regards, 103.129.189.20 (talk) 05:42, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

vk.com, registered in Moscow, is as unreliable as providing to a link to a post on Facebook. This particular blog is owned by the Head of the Chechen Republic (Kadyrov) and the videos are mainly of him talking.

The only available reliable international news sources state that Tushayev was killed in February. If you can find credible reliable sources with evidence that this is false, significantly better than blog posts with opinions from leading Chechen politicians, please do provide the links. Keep in mind that international journalists covering Ukraine would be monitoring this evidence, it's probably always going to be counter-productive to do original research based on primary and self-published sources like this.

--Anstil (talk) 10:53, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It amazes me this is clear bias, when a western Political figure posts on the verified twitter it's a statement, but when a Russian does it on their own verified platform he's a random guy on the internet. It's great to see that reliable source are multiple articles saying the same thing with exact same source, twitter account of the ukranian defence ministry, which let's not forget also posted video game footage of Arma 3 and claimed destroyed Russian vehicles. Also isn't it strange that they claim what 60 vehicle tank collumn destroyed and yet they didn't post any pictures of it or the dead body as proof, yet the Chechen footage is fake becouse no western media want's to even touch it as to not destroy Ukranian morale. So it's really all speculations and should be reported as such, until the conflict is over or hard proof is provided, not just bare words from one side. 194.56.225.36 (talk) 21:37, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Depending on reliable sources is not 'bias'. There are no international independent journalists that are reporting that Magomed Tushayev is still alive. It would be incredibly easy to prove he's still alive and all the journalists are using fake news, just give a live interview by video conference. Almost all international journalists reporting on Ukraine would jump at the exclusive. The fact that this hasn't happened over the last 5 weeks of Tushayev being consistently reported dead, despite the valuable PR impact it would have for the Russian forces, shows that there's now no doubt that the overwhelming international reports of his death have been correct.

Again, if there are good quality sources that present factual evidence that Tushayev is alive, please do provide a link to them. --Anstil (talk) 10:22, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Videos are now, as of 08/05/2022, that Magomed Tushayev is alive - these videos show him Popasna. Videos have been confirmed to be recent. So, Tushayev is still alive. EDJT840 (talk) 13:27, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BBC confirmed he was still alive 78.46.81.190 (talk) 13:16, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the bullshit confirmation[change source]

I'm sorry but how exactly are Ukrainian claims considered confirmation he's dead? There's literally videos of him alive afterwards IdkIdc12345 (talk) 14:28, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide some good quality sources showing that international journalists recognize the evidence you are claiming exists. --Anstil (talk) 19:57, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@IdkIdc12345 And what if journalist ignore his whereabouts? He have been seen multiple times around Donbas, that is thousands of kilometers away from the place where Ukraine claims he died. 188.214.108.12 (talk) 08:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Anstil videos are not good evidence for you. 188.214.108.12 (talk) 08:25, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where are the links? If there's evidence, then let's see it. If the videos you mention are published on Russia state controlled websites, not anywhere else, and not one international journalist has discussed them as evidence, then no they are not reliable sources. --Anstil (talk) 10:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ramazan Kadirov posted a video of him on his Telegram

https://twitter.com/MapsUkraine/status/1523091929440743425 62.4.33.69 (talk) 13:30, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Attempting to verify this link as a source, the Twitter account you link to was created in Feb 2022, it carries the "Z" logo used by Russian propaganda, it uses the Somalia Battalion flag in the account header which represents the military group fighting against the Ukraine armed forces. The posts made by that account makes claims about Ukraine Nazis along with various openly trolling and extreme conspiracy theory material (not retweets, these are made by the account).

The video you link, posted on May 8, includes someone that looks like Tushayev who appears to shout two words when in shot. The video is posted in different places mentioning "Ghost of Magomed Tushayev", but it's hard to take this as evidence that Tushayev did not die in February. There has been 3 months now for Tushayev to have a 'live' interview to demonstrate that all the international news about his death are wrong, this has not happened.

I have not found any evidence that this video has been taken as evidence that Tushayev is alive by any international press. --Anstil (talk) 11:04, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The source is Ramzan Kadyrovs Telegram, linking a Twitter reupload is easier. You are literally a Ukrainian propagandist, how astroturfed is this site Jesus Christ 62.4.33.69 (talk) 18:11, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A propaganda group on Telegram is not a reliable source, it's not even a publication. If you can find an independent international journalist taking it seriously, rather than a extremist "Ukrainians are Nazis" conspiracy theorist, then there would be something worth looking at in more detail. --Anstil (talk) 19:18, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tag needed?[change source]

The article has no sources. 89.8.90.25 (talk) 20:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

done neptunepie | chat? 00:37, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lobbying and source blanking[change source]

There has been significant source blanking and the addition of blatant pro-Russian state propaganda to this biography. This has been raised at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Magomed_Tushayev with the suggestion that the article is rolled back to a far better sourced version before the systematic blanking and that protection is considered.

Reminder, not one reliable source has been provided to counter the wide international reporting of Tushayev's death. The only websites being provided as "evidence" are to pro-Russian state propaganda, not one international journalist has reported these as factual or credible. --Anstil (talk) 11:47, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The biography has been protected so only confirmed users can edit for the next 12 months.

The sentence "Russian and Chechen sources deny that Tushayev was killed" has been added, recognizing that Tushayev's death is disputed in Russian state sources and the dispute itself is notable enough to be in the article.

If his death continues to be a matter of propaganda apparently putting the Russian media against all non-Russian media, then it would be reasonable to extend this as a section explaining what case is being made denying that Tushayev died in February. Considering that Tushayev would only need to have a live 5 minute interview with an independent journalist to demonstrate that counter reports are all fake news, it's likely that recorded videos that could have been shot before February and possibly manipulated, will continue to be disputed as evidence.

I think the protection does not stop unconfirmed editors from commenting on this talk page, so there's nothing to stop new sources being discussed here for possible inclusion. --Anstil (talk) 11:06, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]