User talk:AJona1992/WikiProject Animals

I propose we move this page out of userspace and into Wiki space. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:48, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: WikiProjects, even the biggest ones, aren't moved out of userspace here (see the explanation on Wikipedia:WikiProject) --Ferien (talk) 17:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Good to know. Thanks. I'll just put the redirect to point toward the existing page, then. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: We don't do even that, so I have deleted the redirect. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

So do I put the "it's a start class" tag on Kashmir musk deer or am I supposed to leave that for somoene else to do? Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: No WikiProject tags are used on articles here. Everything to do with a WikiProject is done on the WikiProject page in userspace. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:12, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Coolsauce. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:17, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Resources

Alas, Amphibiaweb does not cover musk deer because they are not amphibians, but this article I found on the Kashmir musk deer has lots of information on musk deer in general in its introduction: <ref name=Kash>{{cite journal|access-date=July 19, 2021 |publisher=Nature|journal=Scientific Reports|author1=Paras Bikram Singh|author2= Janak Raj Khatiwada|author3= Pradip Saud |author4= Zhigang Jiang |date=March 20, 2019|title=mtDNA analysis confirms the endangered Kashmir musk deer extends its range to Nepal |url=https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-41167-4}}</ref> [1] It would be a good source for Moschus. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:23, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Moschus

It really looks like Moschus should redirect to Musk deer. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:32, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, ADW says Moschus is the only genus in the family. I'm going to go on and do this. Darkfrog24 (talk) 18:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Animal categories by continent

If a genus, family, or order of animals is only found on one continent, should it have the category for animals of that continent? I ask for example, Should gibbon (the family Hylobatidae) have the category, Category:Mammals of Asia? @Macdonald-ross, Auntof6, and Eptalon: 50.30.176.27 (talk) 16:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

I think it should. Why wouldn't it? --Auntof6 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

The en:Blesmols, or mole-rats are about 15-20 species of rodents, who live in Africa, south of the Sahara. SO if you bring over some of the species, you might well place them into African rodents. --Eptalon (talk) 19:47, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

Time to move on?

Not like that, though. All of the requested animals in the "create" section have been done, and I think we've done a pretty good job for mammals of Afghanistan. The expand section isn't actually related to the current topic (see formatting and articles in the category), so I think we can move on to another topic. Alas, I, the poor soul, have no idea what to do for the next topic, so I call to you for help. I would anyway be ruthlessly murdered if I changed the topic without your guys' (and gals') approval. Also, we should probably move some of the Afghanistan animals to the expand section, as they are still kinda small. Open to any comments and/or advice! Elytrian - Talk 13:11, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Seconded. I will move some of the new articles to the "expand section."

I don't mind if someone else picks out the next topic. I'm cool with almost everything. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:34, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

...what I've wanted for some time is a way of identifying most-visited en.wiki pages that simple-wiki doesn't have yet and/or en.wiki pages that get the most complaining for being too complicated. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:38, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't seem to understand completely, but I guess that is fine with me (your statement, not my misunderstanding). Elytrian - Talk 16:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Very well. But, just to make sure everyone has a say, @Space chinedu:. (others are inactive mostly). -- Elytrian - Talk 16:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I will be clearer: I think the best articles for us to write would be articles whose Regular English Wikipedia counterparts are viewed a lot OR who are too complicated. That way we serve our readership's needs best. Darkfrog24 (talk) 16:58, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Hmmm, seems good, but we should narrow it down to at least 1 topic such as birds of prey, octopods, toads, etc. This way, we can organize efficiently without losing out on a lot of articles (that's why I haven't put geographic constraints). After space chinedu replies, I'll change the wiki project page. Elytrian - Talk 17:08, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Oh I'd like to get it down even narrower than that. "Animals of Afghanistan" was a good bite-sized place to start, and it took me as far away as British Columbia with the stone sheep. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:12, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

• insert wheeze* Then how about amphibians of Mexico? You seem to have experience with frogs, so I think its a logical choice. (I see you have made a change to the userbox) -- Elytrian - Talk 04:13, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

I do know where to find the best sources on amphibians... But Wiki Loves Women South Asia is coming up for September. Maybe let's pick a South Asian country. (Also, many of the Amphibiaweb entries for Mexican frogs are in Spanish.) Darkfrog24 (talk) 19:10, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't know about South Asia, Myanmar is an issue nowadays; you know, scientists refusing to take specimens from there and a lot of explosions. Also, Vietnam is data deficient in alot of charts, so I don't think I'll find anything. As for Pakistan and Nepal, I don't think frogs live there. The only viable countries would be India, Bangladesh, the Philippines, Indonesia and Thailand. But I don't count Indonesia and the Philippines as part of mainland south or south-east Asia. So, the countries are extremely limited. Also, won't there also be Portuguese and French articles on Amphibiaweb? (Brazil and French Guyana) Elytrian - Talk 03:25, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

You don't think frogs live in Pakistan and Nepal?

Frankly, I'd rather this Wikiproject didn't do frogs, mostly because I am going to do frogs on my own anyway, and I like to change it up. I also don't want to run out of frogs to do myself. (At this point, I have to say that I both acknowledge that I'm not allowed to call dibs on Simple's frogs and that I have no wish to.) But if you suggested that this Wikiproject do frogs solely because you think I want this Wikiproject to do frogs, then let's do something else because I don't happen to want it to do frogs.

Most of the Amphibiaweb articles I've read have been in English with some in Spanish. I've never seen one in French or Portuguese. I don't see why there wouldn't be any, though. Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

• Sigh*. So what do we do? Marine animals are mostly covered by Wikiproject Oceans and its task forces, so... hmph. To be fair, how bout birds of New Zealand? Lot of birds there. Elytrian - Talk 03:54, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Birds of New Zealand sounds fine. Darkfrog24 (talk) 12:45, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Cool then. I'll change the page. Elytrian - Talk 02:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24: Could you help me organize this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_birds_of_New_Zealand and sort it in this one? Elytrian - Talk 02:53, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

We need more recruits. I'm gonna die. Elytrian - Talk 03:10, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Simple is a smaller project. It makes sense that things don't work the same way as on en.wiki. Maybe Simple is better off doing things like Big Weekend where moderate numbers of us edit in short bursts. Darkfrog24 (talk) 14:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I mean, simple isn't THAT small. Theres only two of us on this wiki project! Elytrian - Talk 14:19, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

It's not just the two of us doing the work. @LaugherJ5 Roger: worked on Dall sheep, and there has probably been more. However, you do have a point. @Space chinedu: set up a bunch of Wikiprojects but no way is one person very active in all of them. Spacey, LJ, want to weigh in on this? Darkfrog24 (talk) 15:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Spacey ain't active, think he's on a wiki break. Elytrian - Talk 16:36, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

But he would be a good help, he's created alot of pages. As for LJ, he's in this project? Elytrian - Talk 16:37, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

He was doing the work, so I guess so. Darkfrog24 (talk) 17:48, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello everyone, I am back, sorry I haven't been editing. I have been preparing for a huge and very important exam. But I am back to continue what I started because it is time to improve and create animal related article so that anyone could access them in simple English. This project might be hear for a long time I mean we have our job cut out for us. So let's work hard to show others how useful a Wikiproject could be. It's a place to edit and exchange ideas with people who like the stuff you like. Again I am truly sorry for going for such a long time without editing or checking in. So thank you for running it while I was gone and I really appreciate it. Space chinedu (talk) 06:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Its ok! You can always take a break. You can also add the {{UserStatus}} template and create the User:YOUR USENAME HERE/Status and insert whenever you are away. We've got a lot of new things, it might take a long time. Ely - Talk 06:27, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

Animals

There is something I would to add. It is said in the tasks that we also have to do the genuses and families of the birds of New Zealand. I want to know if I can make a separate section out of the tasks to list those families and genuses. There are also other options like after writing about a species we also writ about it's family and genus or after writing about all the bird species we can then write the genuses and families. So what do you guys think. Space chinedu (talk) 10:39, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

I'll list it here. For now, just focus on birds listed in the project page and move some over from User:Elytrian/KiwiBirds (DON'T MOVE THE PAGE ITSELF)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fauna_of_New_Zealand Ely - Talk 11:07, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

And yes, go ahead. Please be careful though and do not stray too far from the native species. Ely - Talk 11:08, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok Space chinedu (talk) 14:24, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

Goose

I think the description in goose is wrong. It says that "goose" refers to the genus Anser. But the species in the genus en:Branta are also geese, are they not? Both of these genuses (genii? idk) are supposedly in the tribe Anserini, but I couldn't find a reference for that. Can someone look into this? Lights and freedom (talk) 22:00, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

Bird people: @Darkfrog24, Elytrian, Macdonald-ross, and LettuceTomato: see above. Lights and freedom (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2022 (UTC)

The only source I could find says there are actually three genuses (or genera), but some people think two of them should be the same. One other problem with this article was that the Wikidata link pointed to the en.wiki article "Anser" instead of "Goose." Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:31, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24 en:Goose says that there are "true geese" in these genera, and other birds called geese in the family. For reasons I don't understand, en:Anserini (allegedly the true geese) redirects to the genus en:Anser (bird), even though according to en:Anserinae, Branta is also part of Anserini. Lights and freedom (talk) 03:38, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

"True this" and "true that" is a scientific term, not a regular English or Simple English term. I'm sure we'd all agree that in regular English, a tree frog is a frog and is truly a frog. However, it is not a true frog in the scientific sense. As for the redirects, I think we can attribute that to a person being overenthusiastic. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:48, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

@Darkfrog24 So then how do we define goose? If we include all the geese at en:goose, I don't think they form a clade. Lights and freedom (talk) 03:51, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

There are so many confusions here that it's difficult to sort them out. "True" this or that is NOT a scientific term. "Ranidae" is. The system of naming of Linnaeus was chosen to avoid the many problems you run into when you try to use common names. As this is a user sub-page I won't go further, except to say that anyone interested in classification should first read all pages which we have on the subject. Our page binomial nomenclature is a starting point. Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:05, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

I mean that it is something scientists say that does not necessarily match the word's meaning outside that context.

I think the encyclopedia should have a webpage on "Goose" that covers anything under the common name "goose" and it should have a page on the family Anserinae that covers only species within the family Anserinae. That seems to be the standard way we do things anyway. I guess we could look to the concept of "Buffalo" for guidance. The animal also called "American bison" is most commonly called a buffalo even though it's not that closely related to the water buffalo in Asia. The animal called "bighorn sheep" is more closely related to goats than sheep, I think, but because that's the thing people call it, we acknowledge it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 11:22, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

Categories for groups

I added a species of Graphiurus (type of dormouse) to Category:Mammals of Africa, but then I realized that all Graphiurus species are from Africa. Should we put each of the individual species in this category (mammals of africa), or should we only put Category:Graphiurus in this category?

@Auntof6:. This will probably apply for any other groups that are only found in one continent. Lights and freedom (talk) 00:19, 10 August 2022 (UTC)