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Content Translation beta feature will be enabled on 21 April 2015[change | change source]

Hello, Content Translation will be enabled as a beta-feature in the Simple English Wikipedia on 21 April, 2015. It is currently available on for testing translation. You need to create a new account for this wiki as it is currently not covered by the central authentication system. Once logged in please enable the beta-feature to see the tool. You can translate from any article in the available source languages. Please let us know your comments and feedback through the Content Translation talk page or Phabricator. Thank you.--Runa Bhattacharjee (talk) 09:53, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

As a personal comment, please make sure that you stay within our rules for Simple English. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:05, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Amazing that we've been asked whether we actually want/need that. For my taste it is rather rude to implement such a feature and so to use this project as test ground without consulting the community before. -Barras talk 20:06, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
My apologies if it sounded that way. The reason we generally do a pre-announcement is to make sure that we are aware of concerns or special information we may not know of otherwise. We have had some discussions during Wikimania 2014 (I cannot recall names at this point, sorry) about simplewiki being able to leverage the tool, possibly even better than some other languages. We already provide simple as a source so that people can translate from it. Please feel to let us know if there are any specific things we ought to be aware of. Essentially, nothing would change unless a user enables the beta-feature. Thanks.--Runa Bhattacharjee (talk) 10:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
You might be right, Runa, about simplewiki being in a good position to leverage the tool. But there is also a risk here. I assume that the translation tool, as being implemented here, does not have a restricted vocabulary. And in any case it will not restrict the grammar. We'd like it to be easy for people to bring content here–but we don't want them writing English that is not "simple", either.
Here's a question for you. In its implementation here, is there a way to make sure there is a link in the tool to our various guides to Simple English? (There are 3-4 vocabulary lists, plus maybe 2-3 other WP-space articles.) StevenJ81 (talk) 13:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
About your concern about vocabulary, the tool by itself will not generate any content because there is no translation system that can translate from English to simple version of it. However, it will have an editing interface where links etc. will be automatically adapted from simplewiki that are appropriate wherever links exist in the original version of the article, thus reducing a lot of back and forth movement while editing. Our assumption here is that if an article exists in English, simplewiki editors are most likely rewriting much of that article to create the simpler version. It will be a learning exercise for the development team as well to understand special use cases for which we can introduce new features on the interface or perhaps help other languages also to get started with a simple version wiki. We will really appreciate any suggestions that you may have.
As for the placement of links to guides, we currently do not have a provision for wiki-specific modifications on the editing interface. But we are constantly exploring ways to improve it. I think this would be a good enhancement request and can add it to phabricator so that we don't forget about it. Meanwhile we now have the beta-feature enabled (announcement coming up shortly) and we will really appreciate feedback on what can be done better to make it more useful. Thanks.--Runa Bhattacharjee (talk) 16:17, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
User:StevenJ81, you might want to look at MediaWiki:Cx-create-new-translation-desc. Any admin could simplify or change that text. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Simplified. The tool doesn't seem to be working for me, just a blank frame and my user toolbar. --George (Talk · Contribs · CentralAuth · Log) 05:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
I've had the same problem, George (in Safari 8 and Firefox 37 on Mac OS 10.10). It showed the tool if I re-loaded a time or two. But I haven't been able to save anything in it yet (only tried once). I told the devs about it. It would be helpful if a few other people would try it out and post their results. WhatamIdoing (talk) 14:27, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

From the pages I've seen that used this here, Content Translation is a disaster for us. Automated translations in general result in poor grammar, and trying to translate into what is essentially a subset of English is probably beyond this tool's ability. Here we not only need good English, we need simple English. Content Translation gives neither. It's not good to require our audience to understand that a particular article is poorly written because a machine created it: many of them don't recognize when something is poorly written at all and will struggle to understand it. I'd like to see this tool either disabled or, if possible, enabled for use only in userspace. Having these bad translations puts extra burden on our editors and administrators to keep things clean and simple, which is our mission here. The articles I've seen created with the tool have all been either deleted or moved to userspace anyway, due to the poor, non-simple language. --Auntof6 (talk) 18:10, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

This is not a good tool for this wiki and needs to be turned off. The tool is already creating unnecessary work for editors and can only get worse. Please, disable it here. User:Rus793 (talk) 19:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Template help needed with Template:Infobox television season[change | change source]

This template has some issues that are causing the next/previous coding not to work right. I suspect the sequencing of the different items is out of synch, possibly in more than just that specific parameter, but I'm not sure exactly how that works. Could someone take a look? You can see the problem in the example on the template's doc page. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:19, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Color list on color articles[change | change source]

Before you comment here, please read the older comments on this topic.


Macdonald-ross, usually has a section about a "sub-color" in the color article which is usally a shade of a main color but on we have a page of a color with a chart of "sub-color"s. I prefer we stick to the table system I introduced. --Toran107 (talk) 23:52, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Simplification help[change | change source]

I have an article in userspace here that I originally wrote on en and moved over and simplified. I would like someone to take a look at it and make sure its simple enough before I move it out of userspace. It's User:ONUnicorn/Hammerton Killick. Thank you. ONUnicorn (talk) 14:43, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, this is not nearly simple enough IMO. My advice would be to stop trying to say exactly the same things as you wrote originally. Try a different angle. What three things should everyone know about this man? Organise the text so readers get that at least. At present it's hard to see the wood for the trees. As a wiki, what advice we have is mostly about the choice of words and sentence styles (available by links from our main page). Opinions differ as to how useful that is. Macdonald-ross (talk) 15:01, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't think it needs to be limited to three things, but I agree that it needs some work. If you like, I could work with you on specific things that could be improved. For example, the first paragraph in the military service section has too much detail that isn't strictly about Killick. That could be condensed into one sentence just about the ships, so that we know why that was a concern of his, and be combined with the following paragraph. I also see a couple of other things that need to be addressed that aren't just about simplifying. Let me know if you'd like me to give you more input. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:14, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you both for your input. I'll work on simplifying it more. @Auntof6:, your help would be greatly appreciated! ONUnicorn (talk) 17:39, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Opinion on 100 Names of God[change | change source]

Just came across this article. I'm not really sure if this is really an appropriate article for this site. Any comments? (talk) 21:03, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

This is actually vandalism, if you look closely. I tagged it for WP:QD as such. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:42, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
I have deleted it.--Eptalon (talk) 22:26, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Eptalon. StevenJ81 (talk) 00:01, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
And, thank you for bringing it to our attention. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:45, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Semiconductor[change | change source]

I recently came across this article. I'm not sure if the references/footnotes for this article are formatted right. (talk) 18:46, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, recent edits to Dopamine look like vandalism. (talk) 18:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I'll take a look at Semiconductor and see if I can improve the citations. Thanks for mentioning it. User:Rus793 (talk) 19:04, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Attention AWB users[change | change source]

I just updated AWB to version, and now AWB won't connect to Simple English Wikipedia. I have created a bug report and will report back when I get a reply. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:31, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

The issue has been resolved. They issued an updated version of the update, and it works now. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:42, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections 2015[change | change source]

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Citations[change | change source]

There seem to have been at least two changes in the new editing app. One I like: I typed double left brackets and suddenly I was given an easy-to-use automatic Wikipedia link option. The other change goes the other way: when I tried to enter a citation, I got a message about a template. I have no idea what it means. (I went back to the source editor, which is a lot easier for me.) Can't we use simple instructions in Simple English? — This unsigned comment was added by Kdammers (talk • changes) on 21:49, 17 May 2015 (UTC).

IBM Watson Assist[change | change source]

Wikipedia is great and I enjoy using it. It has often occurred to me that Wikipedia should ask IBM to give back by helping to analyze and organize the vast collection of Wikipedia data that it used to build it cognitive database. Thank You James (JCJOIII) JCJOIII (talk) 21:22, 20 May 2015 (UTC)5/21/2015

I don't know what kind of analysis or organization you have in mind, but the best place for this suggestion is probably Meta-Wiki or Wikidata. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:41, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Catherine of Braganza[change | change source]

I just found this article. Looks like it might be vandalism but I'm not sure. (talk) 14:17, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Seems like a funny subject for vandalism, and contains just enough factual information (clear or not) that I don't think we can mark it for speedy deletion as vandalism. I'm marking it for RfD, and we'll see what people have to say. StevenJ81 (talk) 14:20, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
@Auntof6: Should have checked for that. Sorry. Thanks for fixing. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:53, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome. It's a good reminder for me, too, because we admins are supposed to check for that kind of thing before deleting anything. In this case, I thought I remembered that we had a good article on her, so I checked the history. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Volleyball articles[change | change source]

Hi, all. Several new articles on national volleyball teams just came in, courtesy of @Jacilason. I've welcomed that user, and asked for the template {{Infobox national football team}} to be switched to {{Infobox national volleyball team}}. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Solar panel[change | change source]

Can someone check the footnotes on this article? They don't seem to be formatted right. (talk) 19:57, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, a recent edit on Pythagoras looks like vandalism. (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
RE: The solar panel article, I think I have fixed the footnotes, but I can't be 100% sure. --I am k6ka Talk to me! See what I have done 20:03, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Did an WP:AGF rollback on the last edit of Pythagoras. StevenJ81 (talk) 20:58, 21 May 2015 (UTC)