Talk:Ephebophilia

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Legal adults[change source]

The reason I took out "until they are legal adults" is because even though the age of 18 years is the age of majority in most countries, there are many countries where the age of consent for sex, which means they are legal adults in that respect, is 15-17. There are also a few countries where the age of majority is 15-17, although not many. --RJR3333 (talk) 19:31, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

The wording "until they are legal adults" doesn't fit either way because not only does the age of majority vary, though it is 18 in most parts of the world, 18 is still within the ephebophilia age range. The age of consent has nothing to do with it. Saying that "they are legal adults in that respect" is original research. But, yes, I obviously agree with your having removed "until they are legal adults." 193.104.27.90 (talk) 23:19, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
The age of consent means a person is considered a consenting adult in terms of having sex, that is not original research, and besides I didn't put that in the article. But I agree that there are other reasons to remove the terms. --RJR3333 (talk) 01:46, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
Provide a reliable source that says "the age of consent means a person is considered a consenting adult in terms of having sex." I have never read the definition of age of consent described that way by any reliable source. That's why I called it original research. 193.104.27.90 (talk) 00:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Here is one that sort of says that. "In 1967, the Sexual Offenses Act provided that homosexual acts between two consenting male adults footnote 47. adults in this context means "person aged 16 or over"". Harris, Phil An Introduction to Law Seventh Edition Cambridge 2007 page 46. He was referring to the law of the United Kingdom, where the overall age of majority is 18, but referred to 16 year olds and older, those of legal age to have sex, as "consenting adults". --RJR3333 (talk) 02:28, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Also if you look at the legal statutes about coming of age for sex they almost always refer to the victims as "minors" or "children" and the perpetrators as "majors" or "adults". The term age of consent is almost never used in legislation, its usually called "unlawful sexual contact with a minor" or something similiar. --RJR3333 (talk) 02:30, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I still don't see where that source is saying that "the age of consent means a person is considered a consenting adult in terms of having sex." Furthermore, that source is referencing a law from 1967, and such a description as "consenting adult in terms of having sex" is not used in most sources on this topic. I understand what you are trying to say -- legal for sex with an adult -- but a person who has not reached the age of majority is still considered a non-adult. This is also why there are close-in-age aspects tagged on to a lot of these age of consent laws and why "legal for sex with an adult" is often thrown out when it comes to teacher-student sexual relationships. 193.104.27.90 (talk) 18:38, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Adulthood in the UK[change source]

There is no single legal date for adulthood in the UK. There are different dates set by law for different purposes. Age of consent for sexual acts is 16 (though legislation prescribes differently for some relationships, such as between teacher and pupil). It is better editing to use the more specific phrase "legal age of consent" rather than the vaguer "adulthood". Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:49, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Readability[change source]

The average grade level is the average number of years of schooling generally required to understand the text, as calculated by various readability tests. Grade 16 would be post-secondary education. Most articles on this wiki aim for an average grade level of 8 or lower. It might be helpful to point out that those grades are not calculated for the average native speaker of English, for whom this project is not intended.

You can get a rough reading of scores here. You can also compare the reading difficulty of this article to that of the version on the English Wikipedia, here. Before my edits, the Flesch reading ease score was 24.7 (compared with the slightly easier score of 33 from the English Wikipedia, which is supposed to be more difficult). My quick edits got the reading ease up to 40.2, and the average grade level down to about 13. Still too complex, but now it's been made even more so (and half of the content has been removed). The reading ease score as of this timestamp is 32.2, with an average grade level of 14; back to being more difficult than the English Wikipedia's version. The second link above will now tell you that 94% of the articles on the Simple English Wikipedia are easier to read than this one. So...definitely warrants some work.

This is all calculated mathematically, so it is not a perfect analysis. But a score like that is pretty bad, and from an educated glance it is clear that the article needs simplifying. Most of the sentences are compound sentences, and that seems to be the main problem. Basic English vocabulary is here. If a word is not on any of those lists, then either a simpler synonym needs to be chosen, or it needs to be explained in the text or, at very least, linked to a definition. "Primarily" or "exclusively" are examples of words that have simpler synonyms, and that are indeed too complex for this wiki.

Simplifying takes practice. If it is your first attempt, then it can be frustrating. If you would like help with it, or you would like to understand more about how it works, all you need to do is ask. Accuracy is of course important, so if the meaning is changed too much in the process of simplification, all you need to do is politely point it out. I might not know much about the subject, but I'm pretty good at simplifying, and I'm only trying to help in that regard. Perhaps we can put our heads together to translate this article into the project's language. Osiris (talk) 02:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, now I see what you meant when you stated, "Whole page needs simplifying -- average grade level is 16!" I thought you were stating that grade level 16 is this site's target group. I think I made the article significantly less complicated with these edits:[1][2][3][4][5][6][7]. Half of the article was the Etymology section, and I removed that because I feel that that's the only thing that can be called too complicated about this article. As for "primarily or exclusively," as you can see, I added "mostly or only" in place of that; I don't see how either are too complicated, but the latter version is definitely less complicated. In fact, you're the one who added "mostly." I noted in the edit history that I added "only" on to that because it's more accurate than "mostly" by itself. You're saying that the Simple English Wikipedia is not intended "for the average native speaker of English"? I didn't know that; and while understandable, that seems a bit odd. 72.216.39.214 (talk) 23:50, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have explained it a bit clearer. You can find out who the Simple English Wikipedia is written for at WP:SEW, WP:HOW and various other introductory pages. Yes, some good efforts have been made to simplify the article already. But it's still showing up as one of the most complex articles on the project, so I would like to continue to translate it and split up some of the compound sentences – I should be able to work the etymology back in as well – and perhaps you can keep an eye on the accuracy. Does that sound okay? Osiris (talk) 11:07, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Sorry for my late response. 72.216.39.214 (talk) 22:57, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Ephebophilia and pedophilia[change source]

Pedophilia is not similar to ephebophilia. Most teenagers, especially girls, look more or less like adults. People who are attracted to adults are usually attracted to teens and vice versa. So its more like normal sexuality than like pedophilia. So I don't agree with listing hebephilia and pedophilia links there. Because they are not similar. And it is not really a fetish. --FDR (talk) 05:00, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

2nd para[change source]

The ages for puberty are correctly stated on our page Puberty. Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:44, 20 July 2018 (UTC)