Talk:Asian hornet

Categorization of this article

Hello @Gotanda: You nominated this article for deletion in part because you believed it to be a person, business or organization. I believe this topic is a goal. It's appropriate and necessary to discuss related activities, organizations and people but it's a goal.

Do you still believe this to be a person, business or organization or are satisfied? Invasive Spices (talk) 17:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Fr33kman. – Invasive Spices (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't find anything via Google that there is a concerted effort to eradicate this species. It may be a hoax or it may be a goal. Either way I don't think it belongs here. fr33kman 19:58, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Your question is nonsense. --Gotanda (talk) 06:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Lovely. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:39, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Section header

Hello @RiggedMint: Is Special:Diff/9226136 my version agreeable? Invasive Spices (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

It's a bit complex, i'd stick to mine. RiggedMint 21:58, 1 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done with copyedit. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Image removed

The image and text is misleading. It is just an image of a nest being destroyed. Nests are not eradicated. There is French language text with it, but no reliable information that this was part of any eradication program in France, or even in France. This is OR. --Gotanda (talk) 06:42, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Use of images is not WP:OR. This is a settled policy. If you want to debate this with @Asabengurtza we can do so. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:33, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

C'est un nid éventré dans lequel on voit clairement les larves. Ce nid a été détruit par un professionnel, embauché par des particuliers, mais nullement dans le cadre d'un programme d'éradication national. ~~ Asabengurtza (talk) 20:07, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

WP:OR says, "Image captions should also follow this policy. Great care should be taken not to introduce original research into an article when captioning images." which is exactly what you have done. Your caption is OR without reference. And, now the uploader, Asabengurtza, has confirmed that you are incorrect. --Gotanda (talk) 21:10, 11 December 2023 (UTC)

What part of the caption is incorrect? Invasive Spices (talk) 19:58, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Translation of above, "It is a broken nest in which the larvae can clearly be seen. This nest was destroyed by a professional, hired by individuals, but in no way as part of a national eradication program." Your caption is exaggerating and misleading. --Gotanda (talk) 22:01, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Removal of insecticides section in Italy

Non neutral source. An insecticide producer promoting the product is not about eradication and is not reliable. COI. --Gotanda (talk) 06:46, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

It is about eradication but I did fail to notice that they are a vendor. I made a reasonable assumption based upon their name which was incorrect. Invasive Spices (talk) 18:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Crystal Ball

Removed this, "If the invasion of Italy completes then the cost will be €9.0 million per year.

" Not even if eradication takes place, but if the hornets become invasive. Cannot have eradication without a pest. Part of a pattern of pushing mere mentions into massive problems or programs. --Gotanda (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

Gotanda (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

What is unRELIABLE about the source? Invasive Spices (talk) 19:39, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

References

France

This reference set:

This review –2021. (in English). neobiota.pensoft.net/article/59134/.

– cites this scientific research –

(in English). 2020. Pages 11–25. Issue 55. Economic cost. neobiota.pensoft.net/article/38550/.

denies that eradication is a thing. To quote (emphasis mine): "The control of V. velutina nigrithorax invasion is mainly undertaken by nest destruction and bait trapping (Monceau et al. 2014), although neither of these methods are sufficient to achieve eradication even in a limited area when the yellow-legged hornet population is already too dense (Beggs et al. 2011)."

Eradication is not a thing. --Gotanda (talk) 12:03, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Likewise, ref 9 science direct, "Même s’il paraît difficile d’envisager une éradication totale, il est important de capturer toutes les futures reines pour éviter." Gotanda (talk) 12:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

That translates to: Even if it looks difficult to envision total eradication, it is important to capture all the future queens to avoid [a spread] Eptalon (talk) 13:06, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Right, but the main point is that eradication is not possible. Capturing the queens is touted as a goal. One, that is contradicted by the first clause. --Gotanda (talk) 21:59, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Is this about a WP:NOTABLE failure? It isn't but if it were it would be WP:NOTABLE.

Anyhow this is about multiple campaigns around the world.

Anyhow France's situation is seen as an uneradicable invasion at present but a gene drive could change that quickly. None has been discovered yet and there is insufficient for gene drive basic research, but that could change soon due to the invasion in the USA. Any future eradication tools which I can't imagine would also change France's situation. As the sources say the effort does continue. Invasive Spices (talk) 22:15, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

Georgia

As was carefully shown in the RfD discussion, the references do not support an eradication program in Georgia. Deleted. Wikipedia:Requests for deletion/Requests/2023/Vespa velutina eradication Thank you, --Gotanda (talk) 04:38, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Nonsense. I repeat what I've said elsewhere: If you continue to remove RS cited text citing your personal opinions then I'll have no choice but to familiarise myself with whatever WP:DR is here. Invasive Spices (talk) 19:16, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Gotanda: Are you going to explain how an imperative priority https://agr.georgia.gov/yellow-legged-hornet is also something that does not exist? Invasive Spices (talk)

Undeletion needed

Hello @Eptalon: I asked elsewhere but perhaps you didn't see it. This Talk: and Talk:Vespa velutina eradication need to be historymerged. Invasive Spices (talk) 19:31, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Aquitaine deleted

This passage was deleted: "Aquitaine was the first prefecture to order eradication. This was in 2004." The linked reference describes the first sighting of the hornets in Aquitaine in 2004. It also describes EU laws form 2016 and a classification order in France in 2012. Nowhere does the reference state that Aquitaine was first to order eradication, indeed that the prefecture ordered eradication. This passage is part of a pattern of distorted exagerration of cited references and as such may be considered disruptive editing. Deleted. It can always be replaced if an actual aupporting reference is added. --Gotanda (talk) 05:49, 27 December 2023 (UTC)

"It is currently one of the hardest invasive species to get rid of."

Neither of these sources state that. No support. Removed.

Monceau, Karine; Bonnard, Olivier; Thiéry, Denis (2014). "Vespa velutina: a new invasive predator of honeybees in Europe". Journal of Pest Science. 87 (1): 1–16. doi:10.1007/s10340-013-0537-3. S2CID 207072057.

"Georgia Department of Agriculture Yellow-Legged Hornet". 15 August 2023.

--Gotanda (talk) 23:13, 9 March 2024 (UTC)