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This is a Basic English word.
-- I assume users will often find this kind of marker helpful -- RJ092191.user.veloxzone.com.br
- I was just writing a suggestion, but i've deleted, because i've realised something. We aren't meant to have pages for the BE words.
- No, not the "words", but if the name of an article happens to be the same as a BE (or defining vocabulary or Spache word) we should say so, as it marks a very basic concept every English reader must know. Mostly these will be disambiguation pages or those explaining complex alternative uses, e.g. boot, net, web, run. When you see on the screen of the computer at the school which you get 15 minutes/week on, it matters if you understand "no boot device", or can figure out what it is to "run" a program vs. to run in a soccer game. Likewise to catch fish in net vs. to get email over it. We forget how confusing this metaphor is, and how mixed (you access a non-spider web usually via the net, but the HTML files may be on your boot not data drive etc.). Imagine how confusing that lingo, which EVERYONE uses, ESPECIALLY new EN users, if we don't write at least those disambiguation articles. There won't be more than about 100 of them though. What Tango says here is exactly right:
- The idea is everyone who comes to the site knows BE and we only have to explain NON BE words. The idea of being a dictionary was never meant to include definitions for the 1000/2000 words. -- Tango
- That's exactly right. Those are the ONLY words we CAN'T put those definitions in for! There is enough to do defining those > the 2000 and getting good articles in place to properly introduce subjects under the proper Full English names, so they can find the correct Full articles (in any language).
"We aren't meant to have pages for the BE words. The idea is everyone who comes to the site knows BE and we only have to explain NON BE words. The idea of being a dictionary was never meant to include definitions for the 1000/2000 words." -- I am new here, so I have to ask: Who says so? Can you point me to a discussion? (I am not asking this to argue, but because if there is a Standard Operating Procedure about this I haven't seen it. Thanks.) -- RJ092191.user.veloxzone.
- This is at Simple English Wikipedia policy. It's one of those points where we must have a markedly different rule than the Full wikis.
Also -- "The idea is everyone who comes to the site knows BE and we only have to explain NON BE words." -- I say again: The users, contributors, and editors of this SEWiki are de facto anybody who can get to a WWW-capable terminal, can use it, and stumbles across this site. We *cannot* and presumably *should not try to* control "who comes to this site". -- RJ092191.user.veloxzone.
- Control, no, make a few simple assumptions about, yes.
- The assumptions are at Simple English Users. As it stands, it is a list of all non-English-speaking people on Earth, with no attempt to guess how likely they are to get to a WWW-capable terminal and this website. It would be more useful for someone to figure that out, and calculate the likelihood of different types of users getting here for help, than to continue arguing about being a full dictionary that we don't have skills or talent to write.
- I can't remember where it was discussed, probably SimpleTalk, but i seem to remember the conclusion was (although most of it was made before i got here) that we needed to be a dictionary as well as an encyclopedia so we could define the non-simple words that we would need to use in articles from time to time. There was never any intention of making definitions for the simple words. We may not want to control who comes here, but we must have an intended audience. In my view, that is people who already have a knowledge of simple english. We are not here to teach people english. If we want to help people learn english, we need to completely change the way we work. -- Tango
- I think the discussion is at Talk:Simple English Wikipedia policy now.
Operators and pronouns conjugate as in normal English.
Since "operator" with a relevant linguistic meaning is not in this Wikipedia or in the normal English one or any of the dictionaries i consulted, it should be changed to something comprehensible and correct. --188.8.131.52 12:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
Rules of Word Use Recommendation[change source]
Under this heading, Rule 8 is:
- Make combined words from two nouns (for example "milkman"
- or "wordend") or a noun and a directive (sundown).
I'm new to Simple English Wikipedia, but as an ESL teacher, I really don't like making nonexistent words (like "wordend") to explain things. Would those with more experience here agree that we can take out "wordend" in its two occurrences? (There's one use above this rule.) --DBlomgren 15:43, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
- I concur with DBlomgren, this should be changed. We aren't supposed to be inventing new words here. Blockinblox 00:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
- I agree and disagree... 'wordend' in itself is not very logical, and therefore would be disruptive to a student of the language's learning experience of it anyway. Howwever 'word-end' with a dash, makes all the difference. Therefore, if all compound words were made by joining the two words with a dash, there would be no worry that it may not be correct... because even in normal english you can basically join any two words with a hyphen to create a certain meaning. However, joining two words without a dash is a more tricky event, and we cannot expect students of the language to know when and when not to use the dash, so just keeping it in all the time for simplicity will benefit them, as well as the consistency anyway. Iamandrewrice 12:51, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
The problems for reader who need basic english is not really the voccabulary. The problems is the misunderstanding. Lexical ambiguity is of course a problem but grammar should be simple. So more terms should be used. Perhaps, a test should be an automatic translation to german (or other, for example) and retranslation to english. If the text can't be understand, that is an Ambiguity. 184.108.40.206 12:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
add examples for the rules[change source]
I had a hard time understanding what the rules mean. Examples might make them more easy to understand. I am a native speaker of English, but I still did not understand what most of the rules were trying to say, especially the second one. 220.127.116.11 06:01, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
its so unclear what they are... Iamandrewrice 12:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
cup illustration inappropriate[change source]
Other Languages[change source]
Software for "Basic English"[change source]
For the first time I read about the "Basic English" in the WIki and created a free program specifically for set of words "Basic English" Can I place a link to it?
- Hello, Wikipedia is not a mere directory of links. You are, however, encouraged to add information instead of links to the encyclopedia. Regards, -- Mercy (☎|✍) 10:20, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks, I really help much relevant links from the Wiki. Sometimes even more than the text. SergF (☎) 2 July 2009
- Questions to the Mercy. 1. You can add links, or not at all (from your answer I did not understand)? 2. My link spam or not spam? 3. To link Basic English Utility is advertising, but why you did not delete? 4. It may be to create a partition software to link with the software (How Practical use)?SergF (☎) 2 July 2009
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