Talk:Gheba tribe

Please also refer to my previous note on the Dhund Abbasi talk page--this case seems to be along the same lines. Some person probably in good faith, mistakenly and out of context added a statement miscredited to Wikely a colonial officer, in his Punjabi Mussulmans. That the Gheba tribe were originally classified as Rajput and/or Jatt but after some time returned thmeselves as 'Mughals'. In fact this wasnt the case, what Wikely was saying was that despite being of certain Rajput descent like their near kin the Jodhra tribe, some Ghebas wished to present a different descent,wanting to be shown as 'foreigners' rather than local Muslim converts, something which was a matter of shame for some reason, for many status conscious clans and tribes. The later works on Rawalpindi (the original district under British rule) and for Attock c 1880s to 1920s , both corrected this statement and matter properly. Old land revenue records and additional records held at the Punjab archives Lahore, dating to Sikh and Mughal times, also support the Rajput descent of the Ghebas. It would also be useful to check out the arguments and discussions on this topic in the main, English Wikipedia, which I also consulted prior to carrying out detailed research on the Ghebas. I shall definitely be expanding this article in time. I have for now fixed this fallacy and would request that please, dont make such mistatements--if you wish to give an alternate view/opinion, then we can do it properly, please, in a comparative framework and therefore, it would be better to help rather than hinder work here thanks Hamneto (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Removed unreliable sourcing again[change source]

I have again removed the unreliable sourcing given here by someone, citing from Wikely's Punjabi Mussulmans. This is not a proper or reliable work, by an ethnologist or scholar or even former British colonial administrator-- Wikely was a soldier and he plagiarised bits and pieces of unverified stories from various sources without checking up on their veracity and the book was held up for censure and criticism even in his lifetime. This book shouldnt be allowed as a source here.ThanksHamneto (talk) 04:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

I have also left notes/notifications and requests about this matter at User:Gsksari and User:70.39.186.25 {probbaly the same person using both IDs) and also must point the views of their origins as expressed by the Head family of the Ghebas themselves (see links below article) and I do hope that we shall be able to see reason on this and come to some amicable understanding. Hamneto (talk) 04:48, 7 December 2012 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

I also think that it might be worthwhile looking at the article on the same topic on the main Eng Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gheba and also the comments by various people on its Talk Page. There seems no point to me to repeat all the 'warring' that has already gone on there Hamneto (talk) 04:52, 7 December 2012 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Further to the above and to my discussion with Gsksari, a 'Gheba' user who has just joined us, he has some points to make which are quite valid--but rather confusing and complex for the Simple English Wikipedia and I have today advised him to add these to the article on the Gheba tribe at the main English Wikipedia i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gheba where it would be probably more suitable to indulge in detailed discussions on pedigree related niceties and provide fuller details etc. I would also value any feedback or advice from other editors w r to this idea Hamneto (talk) 11:50, 8 December 2012 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]

Helo hamneto[change source]

How r u sir? Do u remember that u have promised me to send very old MSS about The Ghebas Origin but yet u hav not sent.(Gsksari (talk) 11:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC))[reply]

Hello, yes of course! Im sorry I didnt have copies of the old MSS but I have now dug up the relevant BL references and other material/references too, after returning home. I shall now organise this material and send it to you asap. I hope you will forgive the delay and please be patient, thanks. Warm regards Hamneto (talk) 03:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Hamneto[reply]