Talk:Hermann Göring

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PGA comments[change source]

I've tried to fix a few things, but I can't figure out how to change ...

  • "On March 14, 1916, he shot his first aggressive bomber." makes no sense to me. Did he shoot a bomber down, did he fly in the bomber? Is aggressive needed? If so it needs to be defined.

Good luck! fr33kman talk 16:02, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He shot his first bomber down. I fixed it. Regards, Barras (talk) 16:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More to fix:

  • in the first image caption, do we need a left and a right? I think just a left would suffice
Done --Peterdownunder (talk) 10:24, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "but he killed himself by using cyanide" the phrase "using cyanide" is an odd one, especially since the cyanide article doesn't really explain how it's used for suicide
Done --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Hermann Göring had two brothers, Albert Göring and Karl Ernst Göring, and 2 sisters, Olga Therese Sophie and Paula Elisabeth Rosa." why don't the sisters have a last name?
Done --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "He visited the grammar schools" what does that mean? Like, he just went to tour them? Why is that needed in the article?
Is this time it was not very often that childreen visited the grammar school. So I think it is needed. --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I still don't get it. Why would he be visiting? Was he taking a tour? Was he visiting family members? Either way (talk) 23:11, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done (visit is a false friend. Of course, I mean went to or attended) --Barras (talk) 12:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "was awarded the Iron Cross First Class in 1915, for observing France by plane.[5] In 1916, he was trained to fly a plane. " Somehow it needs to be explained how he did the observing of France in 1915 but didn't learn to fly until 1916. I assume he was in some observation part of the plane.
Done --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The correction now reads: "for observing France by plane as an observer." Observing as an observer is repetitive.
Done --Barras (talk) 12:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Rewrote the sentence to improve the flow. --Peterdownunder (talk) 09:03, 26 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • A link should be made for "The Red Baron"
Done --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he met Adolf Hitler and became a member of the NSDAP" the NSDAP should be spelled out rather than jumping right into using the acronym
Done --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Nazi time" is a really odd section header. There HAS to be something it can change to.
Done --Barras (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "he made Göring a minister of the Reich without a specific area" "without a specific area" should be cleared up.
This means, that he was a minister but without a ministry . I don't understand the problem. --Barras (talk) 14:08, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But area has so many different meanings. It could mean location. It could mean the total amount of surface. It needs to be explained better that he was without a specific job title more or less.
Done --Barras (talk) 12:54, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The next two sentences both start off "In ..., he was made..." one needs a different phrasing.
Done --Barras (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "On March 18, 1946, Göring was questioned by the Allies. The court reached a verdict that he was to be hanged. " How does he go from just being questioned to being on trial and convicted?
Done (I added a sentence) --Barras (talk) 14:26, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It still doesn't make too much sense. How does it go from the questions to the judges calling him guilty?
Done (I don't know if that is OK for you.) --Barras (talk) 13:18, 25 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's it for now, Either way (talk) 00:12, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

PVGA comments[change source]

In the heading, the sentence He was also a minister of the Third Reich. does not 'flow' with the sentence before it. Could you combine it or change the way the sentences are worded? Griffinofwales (talk) 15:15, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I combined the two sentences. Barras || talk 15:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The following statements are unsourced and should be.

  • From 1901, he lived at the stately home of his godfather Hermann von Epenstein.; - See reference 5, I don't add the ref after each sentences.
  • He attended the grammar schools in Fürth and Ansbach.; - See reference 6 and above.
  • In 1905, he went to a military school in Karlsruhe. He got his Abitur, and an officer exam, in 1912.; - See reference 7 and above.
  • When the First World War started, Göring had the rank of Lieutenant. He served in the infantry.; - See reference 8 "e was commissioned a second lieutenant in 1912, and was assigned to Alsace where he formed a cyclist corps." cyclist = infantry.
  • In 1916, he was trained to fly a plane. On 14 March 1916, he shot down his first bomber.;
  • His friend Bruno Loerzer got him to join the air force. In France, he flew as an observer, a person who looked for targets and enemy planes.;
  • In 1918, after he shot his 19th plane, he was awarded the Pour le Mérite (also called "The Blue Max").;
  • Between 1919 and 1921, Göring worked as a stunt pilot in Scandinavia.;
  • When Hitler became chancellor of the Third Reich in 1933, he made Göring a minister of the Reich without a specific area of responsibility. This means that he was not the head of a ministry. In April 1933, he was made minister president of Prussia.;
  • Between 1934 and 1935 he became minister of several agencies.;
  • In 1936, he sent the German Condor Legion to Spain to help Francisco Franco.; and
  • After this, he was imprisoned in Nuremberg. He was the third-highest-ranking Nazi official tried at Nuremberg. Only Reich President (former Großadmiral) Karl Dönitz and former Deputy Führer Rudolf Hess had higher ranks than Göring. The judges decided he was guilty. Because of this on 1 October 1946 the court reached a verdict that he was to be hanged. One day before he was to be hanged, he committed suicide by taking a tablet of cyanide.  Done sources are there.
  • This sentence does not make much sense when paired with the one before it. Therefore, he was awarded the Iron Cross First Class in 1915.

It's a great article, and it is VGA quality, but some more sources would help. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Look for the semicolons (;). They are the dividers in between the sentences. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, but I changed the long ongoin text in smaller parts for a better reading. Barras || talk 15:29, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I knew there was a better way. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:32, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I started above to check the references. It is always the same. The things are all mentioned in the next reference and I am not willing to add three times on three sentences after an other the same ref, because it is not helpful. Please claryfy the long point, which doesn't make sense to you, because it sounds fine to me. Barras || talk 15:44, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You were looking at the wrong one. I have moved the comment. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:48, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In France, he flew as an observer, a person who looked for targets and enemy planes. Therefore, he was awarded the Iron Cross First Class in 1915. - He was awarded due to the work as an observer. It makes sense to me. Barras || talk 15:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Therefore' doesn't sound very simple to me, a better alternative would be 'because of that' or something similar. That's what I meant. Griffinofwales (talk) 15:58, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Change to your suggestion. Barras || talk 16:01, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pmlineditor's review[change source]

  • At first look, the article looks quite good. However, can we get a little more? This is only 15k while the last two VGA noms have been in excess of 20k. It exceeds the limit, yes, but I'd like something more. Pmlineditor  Talk 15:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Full review coming up. Pmlineditor  Talk 15:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Because the last two had... no reason for me. Barras || talk 15:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]