Talk:Pope John Paul II
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Wadowice or Waldowice?[change source]
- I will search immediatly --Vector (write to me please) 06:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing ;-) --Vector (write to me please) 06:17, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
Correction, Wadowice is a small city in Poland's mountain region!
Right, and Wadowice (City) is in "Małopolskie" State, it's where the Kraków is. pl:user:MichuNeo
Clean up needed[change source]
I don't even know where to start. Aside from the blatant grammatical errors throughout the article, there are many parts that are either off-topic or just plain confusing.
He was the second longest reigning Pope of 27 years
Who was the longest reigning Pope of 27 years?
besides Saint Peter who is not counted as the elected Pope.
Then why even mention him in reference to Popes if he was not a Pope?
Only Pope Leo XIII held the office from 1878 to 1903.
Well, that is a good thing, having 2 Popes at the same time would likely be confusing. But why is this important to JP II?
The longest serving pope was 19th-century Pius IX who held the office for 31 years, seven months.
Is there a 20th century Pius IX? Or possibly one in another century? 19th century may be notable, but should not be used as an adjective here.
Saint Peter was the first leader of an early Christian community for at least 34 years. At that time the term Pope or Papa was not yet coined. At that time there was only one Christian Church/Faith.
What does this have to do with JP II?
Few years later he was elected bishop, arch-bishop and Poland's youngest Cardinal.
Do they actually vote a person in to all three positions at the same time? I would have thought he was elected as Bishop on one date, Arch-Bishop a while later, and then at a later date made a Cardinal.
For 455 years before that, all popes had been Italians. John Paul II was the first non-Italian pope in all this time.
How can he be the first non-Italian Pope at some point in time during the 455 years before he became a pope?
He was against homosexuality, etc.
Usually etc. is used after setting up a pattern of concepts. Was he against homosexuality, heterosexuality, etc? How about homosexuality, homosapiens, homogenizing, etc?
John Paul died on Saturday, on the eve of the Divine Mercy Holiday, April 2 2005.
Was Saturday the second of April or was the Divine Mercy Holiday the second?
The certificate stated that Pope John Paul died
That is a good thing, otherwise they would need to change the name of the certificate.
urinary infection caused blood poisoning thus infection
The infection caused the infection?
and the Pope passed away.
Which was already stated at the top of this paragraph as well as being listed once on the death certificate already.
His last word was: "Amen!" (Meaning it's over, so be it, so let it be done)
We need a fact check on that one given This news article states that was not his final words.
The article is also in desperate need of simplifying or linking of complex terms throughout. The section on the death certificate alone contains many terms in need of linking. Overall, the article is in need of a complete rewrite to get it up to wikipedia standards. -- Creol(talk) 10:40, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Good Grief!![change source]
I have just come to this page, after doing some serious rewriting of the article. The fact that it needed attention was drawn to my notice because it is the featured article of the day!!!
How can it possibly be a featured article, when in 2007 a competent editor wrote the comments that were made above, but the article wasn't fixed!?
I've done quite a lot to it, but not all the things suggested here.
The stuff about Pentecost was a total shermozzle. Did anyone understand what was meant? It was all terribly theoretical and of very little significance to the majority of human beings, even devout catholics.
This is what it means.
- They (who ever "they" are) decided that John Paul II Day (IF he becomes a saint), will be 50 days after his death. The choice was probably made because there is no other very important saint on that day. (First you chose the day, then you justify the choice)
- As it happpens, "Pentecost", which means 50, is a fest that occurs 50 days after Easter. (After the Resurrection, mind you, not the Crucifixion)
- Ah ha! We have a numerical link here! (look hard and you'll find a huge number of numbers somewhere in the Bible or in Christian tradition that you can make links to, if that is your wish or intention)
- So, then we talk about the idea of pentecost (50) and how important it is. This day (22 May) will be 50 days after the Resurrection... NO! that's not right, death of JPII. (It doesn't really match up well at all.)
- So when is "Pentecost"? 50 days after Easter. But Easter is on a different date every year. It possibly could be on the 22 May... but not very often.
- So the link of Pentecost vaguely (very vaguely) relates the death of John Paul II to the Death of Jesus and the coming of the Holy Spirit. The only link between them is the number 50, which is tenuous to say the least!! I would go so far as to say that it is an intellectual .... (but I'm not allowed to used words like that here).
(I hope somebody finds this explanation enlightening)
- Pentecost is not non-sense but continuation of JC's mission
- it's no longer, tons of mistakes, not to mention pathetic spelling...this used to be fine article once thanx2fredy only... simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pope_John_Paul_II&diff=467395&oldid=467364
Towards VGA again[change source]
Hello there, this article has just been demoted from VGA (to regular article). I think JP2 was an important person, and having the article at VGA again could be helpful (because he was also very well known beyond Christianity). So the basic questions:
- Should we go for GA first, and then for VGA?
- What exactly is the justification for the 'complex' tag currently there?
- What needs to be done, for GA and VGA respectively?
- Who is willing to help improve the article? --Eptalon (talk) 09:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
Anachronism Alert: Popes have been around a bit longer than Italy has.[change source]
"The last non-Italian pope was Pope Adrian VI, who died in 1523," it sez here.
"Italy" has only existed since the nineteenth century, and even today very many of the people born "there" identify themselves as Etruscan, Napolitan, etc. etc.