User talk:TomS TDotO

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Complex tag - Ca-Al-rich inclusions

Other than the linked terms, what exactly did you find complex in Ca-Al-rich inclusions back in March 2022 (the date you tagged is as, not the date you put the tag on it). The article has a Flesch level in the mid 50s (grade 10 - 11) but a lot of that is due to the needed vocabulary of scientific based articles though for the most part it is all linked. Pure Evil (talk) 03:58, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

If I were not fluent in English, I would find the complex grammar and long sentences difficult.

I am mostly new to Simple English, so I am learning the ways. I am willing to correct. I know that some of my changes have gone awry, but I don’t think that, when I’ve fixed them up, they make the article worse. This is an honest effort by a beginner. TomS TDotO (talk) 06:17, 28 December 2022 (UTC) (copy/pasted from User talk:Pure Evil to keep the discuss all together)

I ran the text through readability checks with some of the jargon term replaced. As they are linked, they wouldnt count the same as another large words. The link describes them so they are easier to understand.. The modified test put the article between 6th and 9th grade. It was mostly 6s with one 7 and one 9. It averages out as a 7th grade level suitable for 11-12 yr old English speakers. That is well within the target area for most general articles. For a technical/science article, even with many of the linked terms subbed out, that is extremely low. 10-12th grade is fairly common for highly technical articles. This is far below that level. Pure Evil (talk) 07:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

Also, just reply here with a @[[User:Pure Evil|Pure Evil]] ping. It better to keep a discussion in one place. I am watching the page during this discussion and the ping will get my attention fairly easily. Pure Evil (talk) 07:00, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

@Pure Evil Thank you. Here are a couple of things: The introduction uses the word “inclusion” which would be a difficult term, even for fluent English speakers - there are too many ordinary meanings. The word “rich” also. The locution “high-temperature minerals” - What is the relationship between temperature and the minerals?

I assumed that the “complex” warning having been there for half a year meant that there were several people who agreed with that assessment. TomS TDotO (talk) 14:57, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

The tag was first added back in March 2012. When you readded it, you mistakenly entered 2022. If you felt the article was too complex, you should have datedd it as the date you tagged it, not the date someone a decade ago felt the version at that time was complex. Running a similar readability test on that version of the article placed it at college level. It was simplified on every scale from the level for a college student to that of a 7th grader. Pure Evil (talk) 17:18, 28 December 2022 (UTC)

As to the rest, "rich" is only used as a part of the title. The term is not used to describe anything other than a book title in the references. Inclusion is used 2x. The first is linked and the second is the very next question. As the term is linked, it is considered explained to complexity conserns (even if the link does not exist at this time). As to High temperature materials.. Temp and materials are both linked and the combo is a relatively simple leap: High temperature materials are materials at a temperature that is high. The closest that gets to an issue is that high is relative with no exact level. I would argue that the level of vagueness is within acceptable limits though. Pure Evil (talk) 17:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)