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Tech News: 2022-27[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 July. It will be on all wikis from 7 July (calendar).
Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 5 July at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis) and on 7 July at 7:00 UTC (targeted wikis).
The Beta Feature for DiscussionTools will be updated throughout July. Discussions will look different. You can see some of the proposed changes.
This change only affects pages in the main namespace in Wikisource. The Javascript config variable proofreadpage_source_href will be removed from mw.config and be replaced with the variable prpSourceIndexPage. [1]

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19:32, 4 July 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-28[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

In the Vector 2022 skin, the page title is now displayed above the tabs such as Discussion, Read, Edit, View history, or More. Learn more. [2]
It is now possible to easily view most of the configuration settings that apply to just one wiki, and to compare settings between two wikis if those settings are different. For example: Japanese Wiktionary settings, or settings that are different between the Spanish and Esperanto Wikipedias. Local communities may want to discuss and propose changes to their local settings. Details about each of the named settings can be found by searching MediaWiki.org. [3]
The Anti-Harassment Tools team recently deployed the IP Info Feature as a Beta Feature at all wikis. This feature allows abuse fighters to access information about IP addresses. Please check our update on how to find and use the tool. Please share your feedback using a link you will be given within the tool itself.

Changes later this week

There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Some wikis will be in read-only for a few minutes because of a switch of their main database. It will be performed on 12 July at 07:00 UTC (targeted wikis).

Future changes

The Beta Feature for DiscussionTools will be updated throughout July. Discussions will look different. You can see some of the proposed changes.

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19:25, 11 July 2022 (UTC)

Tech News: 2022-29[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Problems

The feature on mobile web for Nearby Pages was missing last week. It will be fixed this week. [4]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 July. It will be on all wikis from 21 July (calendar).

Future changes

The Technical Decision Forum is seeking community representatives. You can apply on wiki or by emailing TDFSupport@wikimedia.org before 12 August.

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23:00, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Requests for deletion/Requests/2022/Meghwar Bhil[change source]

The majority voted to "not delete" the article. Can you please tell me why it was deleted when there are 100's of other pages on this website that are not even notable? Muhafiz-e-Pakistan (talk) 13:47, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Muhafiz-e-Pakistan The reason it was deleted is explained in the RfD “ The outcome of this request for deletion was to Delete. The nominator's concern was not adequately addressed by those who voted in favour of keeping the article. Despite the assertion that reliable sources exist, no evidence of these reliable sources were provided.” This was agreed upon by two people and keep was stated by two people. When there is a tie it it up to the admin to decide if it is worth keeping based on the information presented. Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:04, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2022-30[change source]

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

The www.wikibooks.org and www.wikiquote.org portal pages now use an automated update system. Other project portals will be updated over the next few months. [5]

Problems

Last week, some wikis were in read-only mode for a few minutes because of an emergency switch of their main database (targeted wikis). [6]

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 July. It will be on all wikis from 28 July (calendar).
The external link icon will change slightly in the skins Vector legacy and Vector 2022. The new icon uses simpler shapes to be more recognizable on low-fidelity screens. [7]
Administrators will now see buttons on user pages for "Change block" and "Unblock user" instead of just "Block user" if the user is already blocked. [8]

Future meetings

The next open meeting with the Web team about Vector (2022) will take place tomorrow (26 July).

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19:27, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Update[change source]

Hey boss, check this out for the explanation and also see my latest comments on a test run on my talk page: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T313785 Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 15:42, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Questions[change source]

Hi and good afternoon. So I am having issues understanding why we have QD when almost all the QD articles we tag fall under what Wikipedia is not. It seems like we should just send everything to RfD. Examples include the scale a fish article, the one earlier about a movie supposedly being released in 2024 with zero information about it. We have WP is not a crystal ball and WP:NFM of which the latter would fall under crystal ball but almost everything seems to circle back to WP:NOT. The issues I see with this approach is that regular editors should just not put things up for QD and send them to RFD automatically, but I was told we should not be doing that even if we challenge nobility. That it is up to the admins to make the decision. So when that happens it causes a backlog at RfD. What are your thoughts on this entire process? Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 05:40, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Generally speaking, articles which satisfy the QD criteria also would satisfy WP:NOT, but the reverse is not necessarily true - an article may meet WP:NOT criteria but not satisfy the QD criteria explicitly. If you have any specific examples available I would be happy to take another look at them. With regards to challenging notability, this is commonly confused with QD A4. The QD A4 criterion is for articles which do not explain why the subject of an article is notable. This page on EN explains this in greater detail: en:Wikipedia:Credible claim of significance. If an editor feels that the subject of an article does not meet the notability standards at WP:N or wherever other guideline (i.e. the subject of the article is not notable enough), the article cannot be deleted under QD A4, and the issue of its notability (or lack of) should be discussed at RFD instead.

From a quick observation of the current RFDs, sometimes the backlog is also due to a lack of participation that causes the RFD to remain open for longer than its due date. I would also like to think that having an increased number of RFDs is somewhat of a happy problem - these tend to scale up as the rate of new article creations increases. Chenzw Talk 11:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One other example I can think of is Chobblesome falls under WP:NOT but was a word used by a Minecraft gamer and had it’s moment and hasn’t been created since. Could that have been a QD? Also why do we allow new pages to be published without review? I know this was at ST. I offered to contact the developers to have them bring over the add on that enWP has which would hold it for 60 days or longer and not let it be in the mainspace so it can be reviewed. Granted we have a smaller community but it would prevent a lot of the pages that are nonsense test advertising etc from even being there or picked up by googles search engine helping fuel the fire. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 14:43, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A review process would likely do more harm than good, because quite a few good pages are created by IPs, and it has been rejected before relatively recently - Wikipedia:Simple_talk/Archive 134#Proposal: Introducing Wikiproject Article for Creation --Ferien (talk) 15:58, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think Chobblesome met any QD criteria back then, and certainly not QD A4 - A4 does not extend to abstract ideas. It only met WP:NOT, so an RFD (which you indeed nominated the article for) would have been the way to go. Chenzw Talk 17:21, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On Chobblesome, could that not fall under G11 for advertising though since it was a word trying to catch attention and more attention to the youtuber? Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:26, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I think that is too much of a stretch. Chenzw Talk 17:33, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Thanks for the information. I appreciate you answering my questions sir. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:37, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Provide input please[change source]

It seems there is reluctance for my request at Wikipedia_talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPageJSON#Need_AWB_again. Maybe I am wrong, maybe he is wrong, so I was hoping for some clarity from you. I am surprised with everything we have only 40 something are being archived, so I think some are blocked by the allow bot template which is what I need to search for. Thanks - Da Lamb^{Talk to me!}_{Please don't eat da 🐑!} 17:44, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Session[change source]

Hi, Chenzw. For this Wiki, does checking keep me logged in only last one year? I know for EN it does. Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:06, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot confirm this, but I assume that this wiki should use the same configuration settings and cookie lifetime as EN, too. Chenzw Talk 02:07, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ok got it! Also I was just at Category:Wikipedians with autism I am not creating it, but I was just curious and went to the category and it said it was banned from creation, is this to prevent vandalism? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:10, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. Chenzw Talk 02:13, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the explanation. I put that category on my userpage because I autism and I also have it on my EN userpage. Am I allowed to put that category on my userpage? --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:16, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, why wouldn't you be allowed? Chenzw Talk 02:20, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I just thought that since the category was locked that it wasn't supposed to put on my userpage. --Tsugaru let's talk! :) 02:21, 29 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]