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Thanks

Thanks for the rollback flag. Uses less data than twinkle :) fr33kman 17:54, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Movie release dates

I noticed you removing lists of release dates from movie articles, for example in this edit. Is it documented anywhere that we can/should do that? I would support removing them because I don't think they really help the article (people can look on IMDB if they really want that info) and those dates probably attract vandalism, but I don't know of anywhere that says not to include such lists. -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:06, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Auntof6: the movie release dates don't help the article, as you say, but the main reason why I removed in these edits was because it was an editor who kept adding wrong information to articles, so also likely vandalism on its own. In searching a bit more about this, I found w:WP:FILMRELEASE which redirects to the film infobox on en. While it mainly applies to release dates in the infobox, it does point out how release dates should be presented in articles – If other release dates are found to be notable, it may be appropriate to include them in the main body of the article (example). --Ferien (talk) 22:16, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-32

Jean Harlow

Could you give me a heads up on who this sock puppet is? I don't recall anyone specifically vandalizing Jean Harlow. Do they have a name? fr33kman 19:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Fr33kman: Yeah, I won't go into too much detail here, but they vandalise other pages too. w:WP:LTA/GRP is the enwiki LTA page. --Ferien (talk) 19:05, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll read the lta page and email a cu if I have any other questions. Thx! fr33kman 19:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-32

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PayPal and Mastercard

I think the logo changes on PayPal and Mastercard were correct, although the user was vandalizing other pages. Kk.urban (talk) 18:14, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kk.urban, I did double check, but their edits don't look correct. Both the current revisions appear to match the logos they have on their websites. --Ferien (talk) 18:17, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. Sorry, I was confused who made which edit. Kk.urban (talk) 18:18, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No worries, there is no harm in checking with other editors if you're not sure. I was a little suspicious at first as well, because of the names of the files. --Ferien (talk) 18:22, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kabul synagogue

Hello, as discussed I translated the page Kabul synagogue. Will have references for 1-2 interesting DYK hooks, but might need a little more work simplifying. Anyway, just letting you know... Eptalon (talk) 17:28, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Eptalon, thanks! Sorry I didn't see your IRC message as I was busy with other things. --Ferien (talk) 17:54, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revision delete

Hello, can you please delete all the revisions of my user talk page with profanity and obscene images? There are several by different IPs/accounts. Kk.urban (talk) 17:49, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Doing... --Ferien (talk) 17:51, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Kk.urban,  Done --Ferien (talk) 17:53, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-33

What categorys do you think would be good for Adair County Youth Development Center. 40.138.183.135 (talk) 02:51, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the page is currently deleted, but if it's recreated, I'd guess the best category it'd fit into at the moment would be Category:Prisons in the United States. Not sure any others would apply that I can see in the article at the time of deletion. --Ferien (talk) 20:04, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tech News: 2023-33

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Delete the page

Hi @Ferien I have informed SPI admins, editors after I found that these users are heavily editing their page for self-promotion. I have put the AFD as it is not passing WP:GNG and GSD11, GSD10 is witnessed. Please look into it Haji Shaukat Ali Lohar and just now their page from Urdu Wikipedia has been deleted NatRepo (talk) 08:32, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

NatRepo, hi there. I added the RfD you created to the Wikipedia:Requests for deletion page, however Macdonald-ross took a look at it and decided it'd be a good idea to quickly delete it as advertising (G11) while I was working. Please feel free to let me know if there's anything more I can help you with on this. Thank you. --Ferien (talk) 11:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks @Ferien I appreciate it :) NatRepo (talk) 12:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

Hello. This message is being sent to tell you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Simple talk regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is "#Did you know". Thank you. Bobherry Talk My Changes 21:42, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Already commented :) --Ferien (talk) 21:53, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion

I think you should salt Ferien, if you haven't already. It keeps being made by vandals, and will probably never be a viable article title. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:06, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

for this block https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Lastsoundofdefense_isback1 Deepfriedokra (talk) 20:51, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Deepfriedokra: no problem :) --Ferien (talk) 20:56, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

edit war prevention

thanks for prevention of an edit war on dermocystida, I don't think it was eligible for A1 88.110.38.249 (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

barnstar

The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
I gave you this barnstar for preventing an edit war on my page dermocystida! 88.110.38.249 (talk) 15:56, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, but I don't think my actions prevented any edit warring - I don't think there was an edit war to begin with. --Ferien (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
but it was nearly a violation of 3RR. 88.110.38.249 (talk) 16:05, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, it almost got to 3 reverts, but I still wouldn't call it edit warring. There wasn't much content in the article in its current state, so a couple of people thought it should be deleted, but I expanded it which prevents that problem. --Ferien (talk) 16:26, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia translation of the week: 2023-34

Tech News: 2023-34

15:25, 21 August 2023 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Hey Ferien, I hope you're well

Just wanted to say thank you for dealing with that vandal, for revdelling that image and for your help overall everywhere,
Your help is as always greatly appreciated :),
Have a pleasant evening, Warm Regards, –Davey2010Talk 17:03, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the barnstar Davey2010! :D --Ferien (talk) 17:35, 15 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Ferien, You're very welcome - you do exceptional amounts of work here so its thoroughly deserved :), Have a pleasent day, Many Thanks, Kind Regards –Davey2010Talk 18:37, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dear administrator

Thanks for all the good work you did for Simple Wikipedia. I created the page Cemal Polat someone put the deletion tag speedy one, I challenge it and showed the notability, before showing the notability the member of this Wikipedia name Macdonald-ross deleted the page, as per Wikipedia policy speedy deletion can be only done if it is spam, advertisement or the pages that have shown not notability. The member of this Wikipedia Macdonald undeleted the page. I added more good references and then came and deleted the page for advertising.

As you're an administrator here please see the page history none of the text were advertisement, spam or anything that has shown COI or I am paid to edit. I request you to undelete the page and see for yourself. I had added 18 references that are secondary and primary newspapers, notable news websites, and tv channels. The page passed the notability of the person as per WP:GNG WP:AUTHOR WP:BIO. I have seen many pages that have 2-3 references but have not been deleted.

I wanted to let you know that I am not connected with the person, I am an IP editor and using Wikipedia for 10 years. I have created 1700 Wikipedia pages for politicians, authors, businessman's and government.

~~~~ 39.34.176.115 (talk) 17:55, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree with Macdonald-ross' actions. The article does not appear to show notability. I also question the validity of the relatively minor claims, because the article claimed he has a Business Degree University of Herefordshire 2009. Herefordshire doesn't have a university, so that is false. Searching for references online, I can barely find any. --Ferien (talk) 20:46, 19 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Ferien So you cannot find the references for that person online? right? Here we go; if you say they are not references I will be amazed to see how Wikipedia have lots of pages then? We are discussing here WP:RESTAURANTREVIEWS WP:SIRS WP:ORGDEPTH I have also seen WP:ORGIND as per many UK news outlets. Let's discuss one by one, and don't forget to check https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies)
Hamhigh is UK news outlet has in depth coverage about him and his cafe "215 Hackney" Hackney restaurants and residents ‘step up’ as government ‘fails’ to deliver free school meals during half term | Ham & High (hamhigh.co.uk)
Hamhigh UK named 215 Hackney Cemal Polat's restaurant favourite Stoke Newington eatery voted favourite café by Gazette readers | Ham & High (hamhigh.co.uk)
Dunya News is Pakistan's 2nd largest tv channel has in-depth article about him. It was published by AFP Pakistan Meet Cemal Polat: The Entrepreneur Revolutionising the Food and Beverage Industry - World - Dunya News
Hurriyet is Turkish media a notable one has mentioned him Begüm Yücel 'One child can change a lot' | Arda Sayıner Column - Hürriyet News (hurriyet.com.tr)
GQ Turkish top news outlet has in-depth article about him and his restaurant In Search of Success (gq.com.tr)
Rudaw is TV channel of Turkey and media outlet has in-depth about him https://www.rudaw.net/english/world/london-kurdish-community-coronavirus-nhs-240420201
Sabah Turkey Cemal Polat: Danışmanlık akademisi için hazırlanıyor - Ekonomi Haberleri (sabah.com.tr)
Hackney Gazette has named his restaurant favorite as 215 Hackney won lots of food chain awards that is own by Cemal Polat so technically, he has passed the general notability Stoke Newington eatery voted favourite café by Gazette readers | Hackney Gazette
Pakistan's 4th largest English newspaper has published him in Digital Newspaper (Print) and online about his books https://dailytimes.com.pk/1068223/strategic-planning-for-beginners-lessons-from-cemal-polats-best-selling-book/
02-03-2023 - Daily Times (Newspaper in English) Review section that also showed his notability
London World has named top 5 coffee shop in London as per Trip Advisor review, his restaurant 'Drury 188-189' has ranked 3rd in all of the London International Coffee Day: Top London coffee shops, according to Tripadvisor | LondonWorld
I have 20 more news references that are different from this, They're in Turkish, Urdu, English and have clearly showing that the person has wrote two books, he own's cafe business, his restaurants are in top 5 in London, he has won 1-2 more ranking. Primary criteria are already passwed WP:SIRS if we look clearly WP:ORGDEPTH is cleary seen as per this.
  • A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization,
Cemal Polat's Wiki article shows about restaurant chain and per WP:RESTAURANTREVIEWS it is clearly passing significant coverage in reliable and independent sources of UK news outlets. I would be happy if you challenge any of the said category notability 'Not Passing' and I'd be happy to share more references until you retract your claim of "No references found". 39.34.176.27 (talk) 08:37, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Ferien I still need to hear from you, I have shared many references and I would like to share 10 more secondary sources of newspapers and articles that are neutral and make him a notable person. I suggest you restore the page so I can make it more in-depth by removing some content. There are many pages on Simple Wikipedia who are not notable, but they're still not deleted because they are created by Wikipedia editors and the pages which were created by editors are never deleted. 39.34.176.100 (talk) 13:39, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello there, I was working on a reply but have not finished reviewing all the sources yet. I will get back to you as soon as possible with a more complete response. If you wish, you can share the references so I can review them in my reply as well. --Ferien (talk) 14:04, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferien Thanks for responding I appreciate it :) The above references are the one which are primary, and some are secondary. As far as the concern regarding. Business Degree University of Herefordshire 2009, I Googled Cemal's education and found it from some website (I should remove that). Below are some more references in Turkish one's.
Secondary references as an author:
[14]https://www.goodreads.com/author/show/20525963.Cemal_Polat
MM News is Pakistan's TV channel who have mentioned him as an author of the books
Google Books (I know it's not a reference but as an author he has been named [15]
Marmara Newspaper is an old newspaper of Turkish since 1940 has featured/mentioned him [16]https://www.marmaragazetesi.com/cemal-polat-markaya-yatirim-yapmadan-buyuyemezsiniz-597762h.htm
[17]https://www.yee.org.tr/en/news/ramadan-excitement-doha
I will share more newspapers references in Turkish they are 3-5 secondary and Independent after you have reviewed all this. 39.34.176.100 (talk) 14:22, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferien I was writing a long paragraph and someone removed your talkpage, it took me 20 minutes to write :( anyways, here are some more references:
You can check the authencity of this Zee5 article [18]https://www.zee5.com/articles/cemal-polat-adding-value-to-your-brand-in-the-international-arena
Business magazine ELELE LONDON featured Cemal Polat's in 2016 on front cover and inside. [19]https://media.licdn.com/dms/image/C562DAQGlSGzA1NFP6A/profile-treasury-image-shrink_1280_1280/0/1602271507553?e=1693234800&v=beta&t=MUraKarWP94h2S_eqJwmd4jl2HEqypHml1WJ5-QdLi8
EMEA Tribune is part of APP and news agencies: Featured him in a magazine and newspaper + in-depth article about him as well can be seen.
[20]https://emeatribune.com/how-cemal-polats-consulting-is-driving-growth-in-emerging-businesses/
[21]https://emeatribune.com/fashion-digital-magazine-march-2023-edition-3/ 39.34.176.100 (talk) 14:41, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
GNG is If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be notable.
Here are my thoughts on the sources you have shown, comparing them to see if they meet GNG:
  1. I would not say the first Ham & High source addresses the subject directly in detail. It is simply mentioned how Polat and the co-founder of 215 Hackney relied on school meals as a child and, if anything, is more of an interview than a source independent of the subject. It is just something he told the Gazette.
  2. This second Ham & High source is about how 215 Hackney has been rated the favourite cafe in Hackney by readers. The article mentions the founders, and Polat's statement on the cafe winning the award. I would not consider it significant coverage.
  3. This Dunya News source is certainly significant coverage, although with the way it's written, it feels promotional.
  4. This Hurriyet source is a brief interview with Polat. Per w:WP:INTERVIEW, I would not say this source contributes towards GNG.
  5. Again, this GQ Turkish source is an interview.
  6. The Rudaw source is significant, although again, I think this is more about the business as a whole than just Polat.
  7. The Sabah Turkey source is good, in terms of covering Polat in detail, however it looks to be an interview? (I don't speak Turkish, so can't say for certain.)
  8. The Hackney Gazette is basically the same as the second Ham & High source. I imagine it is owned by the same company, there are lots of cases in local UK newspapers where the same articles are reposted, or automatically reposted, to other newspapers it may be relevant to.
  9. This Daily Times one is a review, so I am following w:WP:PRODUCTREV. Reviews that are too generic or vague to make the determination whether the author had personal experience with the reviewed product are not to be counted as significant sources. The review goes into a reasonable amount of detail about Polat, however as a review, it doesn't seem to address the book, more his life as a whole.
  10. Same as above, just in the paper.
  11. With the London World "top 5 coffee shops", this covers one of his coffee shops but Polat is not mentioned.
  12. Goodreads is not a reliable source, per w:WP:GOODREADS.
  13. The MM News source addresses him, but again, feels a little promotional.
  14. With the Google News source, yes, this isn't a source independent of the subject.
  15. I'm not sure what this source from Marmara is meant to be. It is a fairly small article based off of one or two things that Polat has said, from what I can see. Potentially an interview, but not sure?
  16. He is mentioned twice in a fairly long primary source (YEE), I wouldn't call this significant coverage.
  17. The ZEE5 source feels a little promotional/like an interview.
  18. I want to see more of this source before making a decision on it. I can see he is on the front cover, but I want to see the inside.
  19. This Emea Tribune source covers him in detail, but feels promotional, by asking readers to follow his Instagram at the end.
Overall, I would still say that most of the coverage is about his restaurants, more than him specifically, and the sources about him often feel promotional or are interviews. I hope this helps. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 12:05, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ferien I hope you have seen all the references. I wanted to add those references in Wikipedia after restoration. Will make it neutral and remove the advertisement as it seems like G11. Kindly review the references and restore the page so I will add more references one by one. If I unable to add those references you can later simply delete the page but as of now, I am witnesses the notability. 39.34.176.100 (talk) 17:14, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Telgraf weekly Turkish newspaper published from Britain has him covered https://www.telgraf.co.uk/kurt-isletmecilerden-nhs-icin-koronavirus-dayanisma-mutfagi-ozel.html

Thanks for the welcome

I hope that you are a realy good person Elextraterrestre4563 (talk) 23:16, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Elextraterrestre4563, no worries, feel free to let me know if you need any more help. --Ferien (talk) 12:10, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Admin's Barnstar
Ferien thank you for everything you do. I am happy that I got to know you on WP:DISCORD as well. Bobherry Talk My Changes 23:18, 21 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Its a great hit that you have already do Elextraterrestre4563 (talk) 01:19, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Bobherry! --Ferien (talk) 12:07, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

you are non-loser

you are the opposite of a loser

wikipfan33 is the loser because he attacked you in an editsummary 88.110.38.249 (talk) 09:50, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel

Hello. I saw you blocked 154.178.191.81. Maybe it'd be good to have the edit summary hidden as well. Additionally maybe it would be good to have Talk:Superman protected. It seems the page has a large history of vandalism from mainly IPs. Lastly 191.107.224.66 can probably be blocked as well since it reverted back the vandalism. Jonteemil (talk) 21:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Jonteemil. I have blocked the IP and hidden the edit summary, but not protected the talk page. If you want to know why, feel free to email me. --Ferien (talk) 21:40, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, thank you, that's smart. Jonteemil (talk) 21:42, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IP's edit warring with themself

Hi could you please block special:contributions/2607:FEA8:E345:E900:0:0:0:0/64 because they are constantly edit warring with themself? 2601:644:907E:A450:F57F:4318:41E8:4394 (talk) 16:41, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

 Done --Ferien (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Immediately after the block ended, they have begun doing the same thing again. 2601:644:907E:A450:C040:13C8:9B39:C35F (talk) 05:50, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page stalker) Gave them a longer break. — *Fehufangą✉ Talk page 05:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And once again. 2601:644:907E:A450:E0E1:28B2:4785:DB68 (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
 Done, for 2 weeks this time. Thanks! --Ferien (talk) 17:52, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail!

Hello, Ferien. You have a new email! Please check it at your convenience.
Message added 23:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC). You can take off this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

signed, 64andtim (chat) 23:26, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

64andtim, thank you, responded :) --Ferien (talk) 23:32, 27 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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You've got mail!

Hello, Ferien. You have a new email! Please check it at your convenience.
Message added 16:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC). You can take off this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

Kaseng55 (talk) 16:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kaseng55, thanks, responded :) --Ferien (talk) 18:27, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Could you mass delete pages made by 2600:1009:B02B:470E:DD31:903E:658E:3AB4 as they appear disruptive? Thank you. signed, 64andtim (chat) 17:55, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. It's an LTA --Ferien (talk) 17:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

hello

I'm back (for now), what'd I miss since may? Derpdart56 (talk) 19:57, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Derpdart56, how's it going? I can't think of anything off the top of my head that you've missed, but I'll get back to you if I remember anything :) --Ferien (talk) 19:58, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Decently, I was gone for a bit and noticed some of the video game articles were out of tune so I fixed them up and made some new ones. Derpdart56 (talk) 19:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]