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Country-musicians *raised* in 'a state of the United States'
[change source]There were some
"List of country musicians from 'state in the United States']],
that were deleted some years ago.--Those, and List of country musicians from California, have little interest, to me.
("Never-ending" discussions about the meaning of 'from', is not my cup of tea.) However,
List of country musicians raised in Texas,
is a list that i might start.--If a person was raised in two or more states, then I am fine with just having that person in "Related pages", or (much less likely) section "Raised in different states".
List of country musicians from California, has some names that 'could end up on two lists'.--However, I am not planning on starting,
"List of country musicians raised in California".--Is there anything more to say then, except: if there are too many protests about "my" list, then it will get taken to AfD?--Remember also to give thanks to those who do a lot of work with categories. 2001:2020:341:DA4B:F071:D4FE:8575:D928 (talk) 23:01, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
Kris Kristofferson (d. 2024), has 'always' been on the 'California list' (because he was raised there).--When any 'Texas list' gets created - then how does one avoid him being 'Listed on two similar lists'?
The following could be mentioned on 'the (upcoming) Texas list',
"* Kris Kristoffersen [not blue-linked]" ,see List of country musicians raised in California"
In that way, Kristoffersen 'is only on one list (California)' (and the few people that know that Kristoffersen was born in Texas, will find his name, and see which 'one list that Kristoffersen really belongs to'. Note: there is no list here called, "List of ... born in California").
"Raised in California", is part of topic "From Californa". (Would anyone argue "No", to that point?) 2001:2020:355:C958:1431:DC72:A783:3460 (talk) 02:40, 1 October 2024 (UTC) / 02:35, 1 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:DA4B:F071:D4FE:8575:D928
List of country musicians from Texas.
Please move this discussion to the talk pages about those article. (As long as the above link, remains a blue-link.) 2001:2020:355:C958:844A:668F:EAB3:62AA (talk) 03:20, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lists like this should list where they were born. fr33kman 05:59, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- we already have enough problems with '... from ...', what does it mean that someone is 'from California', 'From Mexico', etc? - Were peopel born there, were these places impoerant for their carrers, did they spend a lot of time there? - Also, at what age does 'raised stop'? . 12, 14, 18, 21, 25? No need for an extra classification. Eptalon (talk) 21:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- List of country musicians from Texas, seems to not have "your" concerns/problems.--If you think that the article should be deleted, then you might want to nominate it for Delete.--If you have an example of anyone who is on the wrong list, then i suggest that you take up the matter on the talk page of 'musicians from that state'.--One person should only be linked from one list (and I can not see any problem yet, now that Kristoffersen seems to 'be on only one page'). 2001:2020:341:B0D8:49A7:52CE:A985:441A (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see any benefits to change things to other than there are now. fr33kman 06:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would be a benifit that we get things right, in regard to cases such as
this composer of Take It Easy, so that they do not get passed off as a European country-musician (or German, since he was born there, but raised in California).--En-wiki has gotten the category right, i feel.--The way that (relevant) articles, are today - seems largely okay.--Time to let this thread, Just Fade Away. 2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408 (talk) 19:55, 18 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:341:B0D8:49A7:52CE:A985:441A- I think the question should also be, if it is practical: Yes, most people were born elsewhee, and raisen somewhere. The big question thouigh, is: What do we lose, if we classify thse people as "People from ..."? Eptalon (talk) 10:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- It would be a benifit that we get things right, in regard to cases such as
- I don't see any benefits to change things to other than there are now. fr33kman 06:03, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- List of country musicians from Texas, seems to not have "your" concerns/problems.--If you think that the article should be deleted, then you might want to nominate it for Delete.--If you have an example of anyone who is on the wrong list, then i suggest that you take up the matter on the talk page of 'musicians from that state'.--One person should only be linked from one list (and I can not see any problem yet, now that Kristoffersen seems to 'be on only one page'). 2001:2020:341:B0D8:49A7:52CE:A985:441A (talk) 04:48, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Request
[change source]Can I talk to somebody on here privately? It's about a falling out I had with several admins and editors on enwiki that got me blocked indefinitely and I'm not discussing this on there for reasons I'm not gonna go into. 121.136.126.163 (talk) 20:52, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- Feel free to write me a mail, I am open to discussion. Eptalon (talk) 23:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC)
- It's about a group of users and admins attacking/insulting me and blocking me on enwiki 210.217.117.24 (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- We are not here to comment of enwiki's problems with thier users. They don't comment on our issues, we don't generally comment of their issues. Please email their admins mailing list instead of trying to get us to help you fight your case. fr33kman 21:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- The admins are not going to respond on any of the mailing lists
- I wouldn't be coming to this page for help if they were responding to me 2601:C8:280:8000:747A:CFD:7DF7:7978 (talk) 21:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator note: /64 is globally blocked as LTA. MathXplore (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- Talk about a proxy chain.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 06:44, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator note: /64 is globally blocked as LTA. MathXplore (talk) 22:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Fr33kman:? 178.234.79.192 (talk) 14:38, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- We are not interested in helping you fight your case on enwiki. You are disruptong this project and are now under the WP: ONESTRIKE rule. fr33kman 23:51, 5 October 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator note: This IP is also a blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 01:03, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think we can called them indefinitely blocked here also. fr33kman 06:01, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator note: Special:Contributions/210.217.117.24 is another blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 23:54, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
- We are not here to comment of enwiki's problems with thier users. They don't comment on our issues, we don't generally comment of their issues. Please email their admins mailing list instead of trying to get us to help you fight your case. fr33kman 21:41, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- It's about a group of users and admins attacking/insulting me and blocking me on enwiki 210.217.117.24 (talk) 20:56, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
- Administrator note: The IP editor is a blocked proxy. MathXplore (talk) 00:10, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, at last someone who notices. XXBlackburnXx (talk) 05:43, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
- \: .- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 09:15, 28 September 2024 (UTC)
WikiProject
[change source]Hi, I made a WikiProject called WikiProject Games. You can join if you want! Thetree284 (talk) 23:24, 2 October 2024 (UTC)
- The WikiProject has been renamed from Gaming to Games because I want to include board games too. Thetree284 (talk) 03:40, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- The new pages in this WikiProject are: Sorry! (game) and Trouble (board game). Thetree284 (talk) 23:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- And the reason, I removed Taitheguy87 from the members list is because he is a blocked user. Thetree284 (talk) 00:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thetree284: Maybe it's better to discuss the project on its talk page, not here 🙂 ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 15:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- But, this topic will get archived by a bot after no replies in this topic for a certain amount of time. Thetree284 (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I want to keep the comment because I like this topic. Thetree284 (talk) 16:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please, stop, it's been almost a month since you first posted this. There are many other things to be discussed on Simple Talk. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. Why should your post stay here forever? Other posts get archived, so will yours, because we are all the same here. You are not the only one who started a WikiProject. Thank you. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Because I just like this topic. Thetree284 (talk) 19:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are a very kind person and I really appreciate you as an editor, but it doesn't matter. You are not the only one here, I like many other topics, but I let them go, like everybody else. This isn't a social media. This is my last comment under this specific thread. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I know it is not a social media, but I don't want this comment to get archived by a bot. Thetree284 (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thetree284 (Simple talk stalker?) Hi. Just like everything else in Simple talk, your post will eventually be archived after some time. Users don't get any special treatment just because they like the topic they are writing about. Like Dream Indigo said, why should everybody else's comments go while yours stays forever? The Simple talk runs this way, and there really isn't anything you can do about it. This is the first and last time I will be responding under this header. Aster🪻 talk edits 19:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, it will be archived soon? And I know most comments will be archived by a certain amount of time. Thetree284 (talk) 19:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thetree284: Please stop making comments here just to keep the section on the page. If you continue doing that, one of two things might happen: either you will be blocked from editing this page, or the section might get archived manually. Make comments only if you have something to contribute to the discussion. Thanks.
- Everyone else: please stop responding to Thetree284's unconstructive posts. That will only keep the section around longer, with no constructive discussion. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 23:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Okay fine, I will stop and this comment will be archived by a bot. Thetree284 (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, it will be archived soon? And I know most comments will be archived by a certain amount of time. Thetree284 (talk) 19:43, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thetree284 (Simple talk stalker?) Hi. Just like everything else in Simple talk, your post will eventually be archived after some time. Users don't get any special treatment just because they like the topic they are writing about. Like Dream Indigo said, why should everybody else's comments go while yours stays forever? The Simple talk runs this way, and there really isn't anything you can do about it. This is the first and last time I will be responding under this header. Aster🪻 talk edits 19:37, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- I know it is not a social media, but I don't want this comment to get archived by a bot. Thetree284 (talk) 19:35, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You are a very kind person and I really appreciate you as an editor, but it doesn't matter. You are not the only one here, I like many other topics, but I let them go, like everybody else. This isn't a social media. This is my last comment under this specific thread. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:32, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Because I just like this topic. Thetree284 (talk) 19:28, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Please, stop, it's been almost a month since you first posted this. There are many other things to be discussed on Simple Talk. It doesn't matter if you like it or not. Why should your post stay here forever? Other posts get archived, so will yours, because we are all the same here. You are not the only one who started a WikiProject. Thank you. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 19:25, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Also, I want to keep the comment because I like this topic. Thetree284 (talk) 16:50, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- But, this topic will get archived by a bot after no replies in this topic for a certain amount of time. Thetree284 (talk) 23:33, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Thetree284: Maybe it's better to discuss the project on its talk page, not here 🙂 ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 15:01, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- And the reason, I removed Taitheguy87 from the members list is because he is a blocked user. Thetree284 (talk) 00:36, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
- The new pages in this WikiProject are: Sorry! (game) and Trouble (board game). Thetree284 (talk) 23:20, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
Automatic archiving for WP:RFCU
[change source]Hello all, the requests at WP:RFCU usually get handled fairly quickly. I would therefore propose we set up the bot to also archive them automatically; proposed parameters: 10d old, min 2 threads left. Comments? Eptalon (talk) 08:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- Related previous discussion can be seen at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_checkuser#Archiving. MathXplore (talk) 00:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Considering how RfCU works, I would want to see the bot be tested in a RfCU replica before firmly saying yay or nay.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 10:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Pure Evil offered a reasonable point at Wikipedia talk:Requests for checkuser#Archiving 2. I feel like it is probably best for CUs to manually review each one prior to it going to the archived, as responses can often go unanswered - and I appreciate sometimes this is on purpose. --Ferien (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Idk, I'm 50:50 on this one. It'd be nice to have them auto archived due to workload issues but understand the issues of wanting to manually close them out. I'd lean towards a bot if it could be made to work. fr33kman 18:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- i think the bot handling the other page archiving could be made to work. It would archive discussions that haven't Bern touched in .. days, leaving at least ... Items on the page? Eptalon (talk) 19:48, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- Idk, I'm 50:50 on this one. It'd be nice to have them auto archived due to workload issues but understand the issues of wanting to manually close them out. I'd lean towards a bot if it could be made to work. fr33kman 18:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would leave it to the people with the checkuser right to decide, but I have a question. Is there an amount of time an unaddressed request can be left, after which either it is considered stale or the checkusers wouldn't do anything with it? I would let that be the number of days old to use for archiving. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:56, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Non-checkuser observation) @Auntof6: m:CheckUser_policy#CheckUser_status says
information is only stored for a short period (currently 90 days)
, so I think this is the time limit. MathXplore (talk) 07:07, 10 October 2024 (UTC)- As to the data availability: requests need to be made fairly quickly, information that is older than about three months is deleted. As you requests: I would guess s bot could (technically) handle archiving old requests.... Eptalon (talk) 23:04, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- It depends on the thread.some requests get done very quickly and gets no additional input. Others, however, can seem to be stale for days or weeks and become active again. If say if a thread has been stale for 7 to 14 days then gets another sock added to the listing. However, as a reporting user could easily point to the prior listing from the archive I'm in favour of a bot. fr33kman 19:57, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- (Non-checkuser observation) @Auntof6: m:CheckUser_policy#CheckUser_status says
┌─────────────────────────────────┘
I found C:User:SpBot/How to make SpBot archive your wiki that looks like it could help with this. A note on C:Commons talk:WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology, which the bot archives, says that it archives 1) any section tagged as resolved and 2) any section whose most recent comment is older than 90 days. Of course, maybe our usual archiving bot can do the same thing. --Auntof6 (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I agree, a bot could do it well. We could always have a trial run and see if it can be made to work well. fr33kman 20:01, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Template:Langx
[change source]I was expanding features on {{Langx}}. To import data from en:Module:Lang, in order to work properly for Module:Lang/langx.
Also:
- en:Module:Lang/data/iana languages
- en:Module:Lang/data/iana scripts
- en:Module:Lang/data/iana regions
- en:Module:Lang/data/iana variants
- en:Module:Lang/data/iana suppressed scripts
49.150.3.189 (talk) 14:51, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you are making a request here, please be specific about what you want done. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 11:46, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Does anyone have admin requests for expanding Module:Lang for {{Langx}}? 49.150.11.37 (talk) 00:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but you were told to be specific with what you want doing. We not mind readers. fr33kman 01:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comprehensively, from lines 1,400 to 1,424 on English Wikipedia, by using
local function _langx (args_t)
, an entry point from another module. - Following this, the exact source code from en:Module:Lang on English Wikipedia for {{Langx}} to be added to Module:Lang on Simple English Wikipedia:
local function _langx (args_t)
- local langx_data = mw.loadData ('Module:Lang/langx'); -- get necessary data
- local inherit_t = langx_data.inherit_t; -- get list of language tags extracted from Template:Lang-?? template names for languages that are rendered in upright font
- local rtl_t = langx_data.rtl_t; -- get list of language tags for languages that are rendered right-to-left
- local script_t = langx_data.script_t; -- get list of language tags for Template:Lang-?? templates that set |script=<something>
- local link_t = langx_data.link_t; -- get list of language tags for Template:Lang-?? templates that set |link=<something>
- local size_t = langx_data.size_t; -- get list of language tags for Template:Lang-?? templates that set |size=<something>
- args_t.code = args_t[1] or args_t.code; -- get the language tag; must be {{{1}}} or |code=
- if not args_t.code then
- return make_error_msg ('missing language tag', args_t, 'Langx');
- end
- args_t.rtl = args_t.rtl or (rtl_t[args_t.code] and 'yes'); -- prefer |rtl= in template call, use rtl_t else
- args_t.script = args_t.script or script_t[args_t.code]; -- prefer |script= in template call, use script_t else
- args_t.link = args_t.link or link_t[args_t.code]; -- prefer |link= in template call, use link_t felse
- args_t.size = args_t.size or size_t[args_t.code]; -- prefer |size= in template call, use size_t else
- args_t[1] = nil; -- unset to mimic Template:Lang-?? templates which set |code=xx
- local lang_subtag = args_t.code; -- use only the base language subtag for unsupported tag test; some args_t.code are modified by |script= etc
- initial_style_state = inherit_t[args_t.code:lower()] and 'inherit' or 'italic'; -- if listed in inherit_t, set as 'inherit'; 'italic' else
- return _lang_xx (args_t, 'Langx') .. ((langx_data.unsupported_t[lang_subtag:lower()] and ''.. lang_subtag .. '') or ); -- temporary category for unsupported language tags
- -- return _lang_xx (args_t, 'Langx');
end
49.150.11.37 (talk) 22:53, 15 October 2024 (UTC)- As an error, it displays
Script error: The function "langx" does not exist.
49.150.11.37 (talk) 22:55, 15 October 2024 (UTC)
- Comprehensively, from lines 1,400 to 1,424 on English Wikipedia, by using
- Yes, but you were told to be specific with what you want doing. We not mind readers. fr33kman 01:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Does anyone have admin requests for expanding Module:Lang for {{Langx}}? 49.150.11.37 (talk) 00:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Tropical cyclone
[change source]Is it better to just have one article for tropical cyclone, or should there be separate articles depending on where they happen, such as typhoon (in the northwestern Pacific) and hurricane (in the eastern Pacific and Atlantic)? Batrachoseps (talk) 18:44, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think we should match en and have it so tropical cyclone contains the main details, but they are also branched off into Atlantic hurricane and typhoon. Hurricane in its current state should be redirected to the tropical cyclone article, imo. --Ferien (talk) 18:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)
Templates for discussion
[change source]I came across the following navbox templates that I would like a discussion on.
- Template:Clothing (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
- Template:Crowns (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
- Template:Hats (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
- Template:Headgear (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
- Template:Helmets (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
- Template:Historical clothing (edit · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)
These templates:
- Have a large number of links, mostly red but some with a fair number of blue
- Are all clothing-related
- Are transcluded on one page (the historical clothing one) or no pages
- Except for the historical clothing one, were created by a user who appeared to be creating templates because they appeared in wanted templates. However, the only places that used them were lists of related templates on template doc pages.
I was about to start adding these to the blue-linked pages, but I thought it was worth discussing first. The reason I am putting these up for discussion is that they would take up more space in an article than the article text on most of the articles that are blue-linked. Are we okay with having navboxes that overwhelm the body of an article?
There are probably more templates with the same issue, but this is a small group of related ones that I happened to see around the same time.
Please do not add these to articles until we have a chance to have this discussion, so that that we won't have to remove them again later. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 12:19, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- Templates that have been imported from English-wiki - i have always found them helpful (even if there are only two blue-links and say 98 red-links.)--I am not trying to be rude when i am saying this.--Do i think that it would be helpful to have a three blue-link limit (for templates)? No, i would be against that.--Remotely related: Would it be against wiki-regulations if I go to, say user talk:Aunty of 5,6,7 or to user talk:Epptalonn, and ask: Do you think this is an acceptable sub-stub about Golden hat (headwear) "blah-blah-blah".--Anyway, I would like to ask original poster which of the templates is the first one that she would 'recommend et cetera', that should be nominated for Delete. (Please notify me if i have misunderstood the meaning of "Please do not add these to articles until we have a chance to have this discussion, so that that we won't have to remove them again later".)--I am not asking because i have plans for 'saving templates', by writing articles.--If this post is not perceived as rude, then Good. 46.15.37.42 (talk) 19:19, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- i just wrote "Gold hat", without having checked if it is part of any of the templates.--If the 'article' is a keeper, then fine.--Unlikely that i will touch the 'article' again, this year. 2001:2020:315:A48B:2DA2:636E:FDEF:A75D (talk) 19:34, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Question
[change source]In many articles, some words are linked with English Wikipedia like this: [[:en:Article name|Article]]. Should the English Wikipedia link be used, or should it only be linked to this Wikipedia article, even if the article is missing here? CosmLearner (talk) contribs 21:32, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- There should not be that kind of link to any other Wikipedia. In fact, there shouldn't be links in an article's text to any other website. The link should be left red if there's nothing to link to here. See WP:ELPOINTS for the guideline. --Auntof6 (talk) 23:01, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- But you can use {{ill}} to make a red link to simplewiki and a link to another wiki at the same time. Batrachoseps (talk) 23:29, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Batrachoseps: You can, but that's kind of messy. -- Auntof6 (talk) 06:30, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
I have a question
[change source]Here's a weird question, for example, if an article on Simple English Wikipedia is created with good grammar, formatting, and spelling, but it's much shorter than the English Wikipedia article, how can it still become a good article or a very good article? Bakhos Let's talk! 04:33, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think there are minimal length requirements, bit they are fluffy. VGAs need to be comprehensive, which likely means they end up at a certain length. Why don't you nominate the article when you think it is ready? The people active at reviewing will give ideas as to how to improve it. Eptalon (talk) 07:52, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Bakhos2010: A little late, but the article can be a Good Article when it covers the most important parts of the subject, which means it can sometimes be much shorter than the enwiki version. Very Good Articles have to cover all of the important parts of the subject, so it would usually have to be a similar length to the enwiki version. Hope this helps! QuicoleJR (talk) 20:34, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- If it covers all aspects of the topic than despite not being too lengthy, it can be a GA. It just needs to be reasonably complete as an article without lacking major significant details. BRP ever 11:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
"Aviation biofuel" (and little else in the first sentence of the lede)
[change source]"An aviation biofuel (also known as bio-jet fuel or bio-aviation fuel (BAF)) is a biofuel used to power aircraft and is a sustainable aviation fuel (SAF)", according to
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_biofuel
.That is the lede of an article at En-wiki.--"My" (upcoming) article will aim to not have sustainable aviation fuel in the first sentence (or first period) of the lede. Does "maintaining simplicity" seem like an okay reason to move sustainable aviation fuel, out of the first sentence, in our (upcoming) article? 2001:2020:323:DB8F:59DB:9960:C6EE:17E1 (talk) 16:20, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Aviation biofuel, now has a Talk page.--Discussion moved to that (relevant) Talk page. 2001:2020:323:DB8F:59DB:9960:C6EE:17E1 (talk) 16:52, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
Preliminary results of the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees elections
[change source]Hello all,
Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2024 Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees election. Close to 6000 community members from more than 180 wiki projects have voted.
The following four candidates were the most voted:
While these candidates have been ranked through the vote, they still need to be appointed to the Board of Trustees. They need to pass a successful background check and meet the qualifications outlined in the Bylaws. New trustees will be appointed at the next Board meeting in December 2024.
Learn more about the results on Meta-Wiki.
Best regards,
The Elections Committee and Board Selection Working Group
MPossoupe_(WMF) 08:25, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Mod vandalising my articles again
[change source]He's previously mass-deleted my content before, and whenever things don't go his way he just changes the narrative. He's simply just abusing his power and removing all of my content specifically, and deleting massive amounts of information from the website. That's why I think he is wrong - Wikipedia is a place for information, and that means all of it. I will do my best to link the parts of my talk page where he has commented, both today and in the past (wherein he deleted massive amounts of content from the website).
Any undo to his edits and he instantly reverts it, removing this content and giving the reason that it is 'nonsense' in his opinion.
Here are the links I will try to paste where hopefully you can see that it is repetitive and targeted deletions: https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:W;ChangingUsername&action=edit§ion=11 https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:W;ChangingUsername&action=edit§ion=9
He doesn't or can't warn me 'as per' en:WP:DTTR in either because there's no grounds for it. He is only allowed because of his position, over me, which shouldn't matter in the context of putting information on this site. In another simple_talk entry, he deletes a ton of other content en-mass and throughout nearly all of the articles I have pasted from the NHS website to here.
If this goes through then I will work on putting the pages back as I come across them (and I will hopefully be able to create more, so that simple_wikipedia is more full (which is what it should be about!) but (again) if this goes through then it would be probably best for someone with the ability to scan through mass content and correcting his actions to do it, because it is on a lot of the site throughout the content, and I believe it is vandalism.
Tagging the user other so that he may be present: @Davey2010 W;ChangingUsername (talk) 15:26, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Eptalon was my helper, I think. And I would like to point out that a majority of the pages I've created thus far have been categorized on the external wikilinks page, for simple_wikipedia, and that the information in the pages have been deleted, but previously would of been a link to this website with a more full page. And that way might be the only way for the person there to get it - but now, it is gone
- His contributions are Thomas the Tank Engine and Paw Patrol, and some really bad / low quality page on lymes disease and/or I think strokes, which didn't, and still don't (because he reverts all edits done to the page) in my opinion meet Wikipedias standards in a few ways. That and of course removing tons of content from the site.
- There is nothing wrong with the content on those pages, and here I am contesting - specifically or as an example - and would like to contest this decision of this 'insane' edit the page of course being Cinnarizine.
- There is NO content on this page anymore, after his edits - look at how many he cut out, and look at how much there is now. Does THIS still meet the standards, and is it a better page now than it was before? His edits are simply not good. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 15:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- 1). I'm not a mod or an admin and I've never said otherwise.
- 2). "I have pasted from the NHS website to here." ... which is a Copyright violation and isn't allowed,
- 3). There was consensus here to delete the GUIDE stuff you spammed everywhere.
- 4). I stated here "No consensus for these edits, Why would you reinstate content that had consensus to be deleted (at the prev editsum)?" so why would you ignore that and post the same content back 3 months later?,
- 5). The DTTR was me treating you with respect and not templating you to death - I hate when people do this to me so I was trying to be more polite and approachable to you so your "because there's no grounds for it" is ludicrous and silly.
- 6). Have you actually looked at the issues at Thomas the Tank Engine and Paw Patrol ? ... If you had you would've known those articles have been magnets for either deliberately fake information or unsourced edits, I don't revert people for the sake of it believe you me.
- 7). You can contest my blanking as much as you like but my edits/blanking was following our core policy; WP:COPYVIO as well as following the consensus for removing this content here. –Davey2010Talk 15:46, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, W;ChangingUsername. I highly doubt Davey2010 was vandalising. First, there needs to be consensus about the part that you're trying to put in. Also, simply removing some parts of an article isn't vandalism unless it's removing helpful edits to Wikipedia. In this case, it's not vandalism. Also, this article still does meet the standards; it's just a stub and can be gradually worked on. Thanks, Aster🪻 talk edits 15:47, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- If you really feel this way then I would like to resolve the issues you have with me or my content before I proceed to edit in more pages to the website, so that this doesn't keep happening (because right now I feel like it will)
I think the page follows rules, and if the rules disagree with that then maybe they are wrong, and should be challenged, to allow that content. That is for something to be there until people can work on it, so they can work off that instead of working off it being a stub.
And there was consensus. There was a discussion about that and a lot of people agreed, but I didn't see (outside of the original responder) the outcome of the discussion, but people supported it. I would like to know. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 15:50, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- @W;ChangingUsername, It doesn't follow any rules because you've taken the content from https://www.nhs.uk/medicines/cinnarizine/side-effects-of-cinnarizine/ which is obviously a copyright violation and isn't allowed.
- Auntof6 is an admin and is extremely knowledgeable with policies here and they supported the removal of the content, Yes another editor supported leaving it but that's all moot now because you've admitted it was a copyright violation,
- That all being said en:Cinnarizine has Side Effects in sentence form so I'd be happy for side effects to be included back HOWEVER don't just undo and readd that content back as you've taken it from the NHS - You need to reword it and jumble these up if that makes sense. –Davey2010Talk 16:06, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- So I can add a section for 'side effects?'
- And the content on that website is free to use and share. There's no copyright on the website other than what should be 'free use' and could be added to Wikipedia alongside the other content which is taken from the same website? @Auntof6
- And at the same time, I can go ahead and add more to Wikipedia, but not copyright content. Or rewriting the content as I do (which I wanted to avoid, to not un-simplify it) W;ChangingUsername (talk) 16:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yep you could add a list of side effects providing it's reliably sourced, You cannot use any of the text/sentences off of the NHS website, it's best to write yhis yourself. Thanks (submitted using mobile so apologies ive done anything incorrect, Thanks) –Davey2010Talk 17:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for resolving this issue with me. I'll get on doing that later, after trying some rewording out and getting the go-ahead so that I don't make it wrong. And thanks for helping me take steps in resolving my problems that I had with you W;ChangingUsername (talk) 11:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yep you could add a list of side effects providing it's reliably sourced, You cannot use any of the text/sentences off of the NHS website, it's best to write yhis yourself. Thanks (submitted using mobile so apologies ive done anything incorrect, Thanks) –Davey2010Talk 17:39, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
And I would guess that the NHS website is not copyright and I believe the content is free to use - if it were, the edits would be fine to be on this website then? W;ChangingUsername
W;ChangingUsername Firstly, Davey2010 is not an admin. You are adding medical instructions to the page, you are editwarring, you are breaking copyright by copying NHS information and breaking other rules. Right now you are in the wrong and close to a block. Work with other people not against them. fr33kman 16:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- If the content was not copyrighted (like before)
- Or, if I got permission from the website (NHS) owners and UK government to use the content, then would the information remain on simple_wikipedia ? I mean if permission was gained, the edits would go back. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 16:31, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- With your second case here, due to how the licence that Wikipedia uses works (CC-BY-SA), that would still be considered copyright infringement in the eyes of our policies (and possibly the law).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- OK, understood. I will keep that in mind for future edits to make sure they can stay up. But I will keep my ears open for more from the other person, to make sure that can happen. W;ChangingUsername (talk) 16:42, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- With your second case here, due to how the licence that Wikipedia uses works (CC-BY-SA), that would still be considered copyright infringement in the eyes of our policies (and possibly the law).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 16:36, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Fair Use
[change source]Is fair use allowed here, like it is on the English Wikipedia? // Kakan spelar (talk) 15:56, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
- This is a small wiki, and we don't have the resources needed to maintain our own images. Use what you find on Commons ... Eptalon (talk) 16:05, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Yes, small amounts of text quotes are allowed as long as they are cited. Images are not. fr33kman 16:07, 14 October 2024 (UTC)
Seeking volunteers to join several of the movement’s committees
[change source]Each year, typically from October through December, several of the movement’s committees seek new volunteers.
Read more about the committees on their Meta-wiki pages:
Applications for the committees open on 16 October 2024. Applications for the Affiliations Committee close on 18 November 2024, and applications for the Ombuds commission and the Case Review Committee close on 2 December 2024. Learn how to apply by visiting the appointment page on Meta-wiki. Post to the talk page or email cst@wikimedia.org with any questions you may have.
For the Committee Support team,
-- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 23:08, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Question
[change source]How can I use RedWarn here? CosmLearner (talk) contribs 11:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
Chemistry ("It is a solid.")
[change source]It is not enough, for an encyclopedia to say, that a compound, is "a solid"; In many cases it should be okay to indicate something like,
"It is a solid at room temperature at atmospheric-pressure at sea level, and in many other situations".
There should be consensus as to one or more standard phrases et cetera, about what to say about those compounds. Thoughts?
For now, i don't think it is helpful to use the wiki-article Standard temperature and pressure - to explain (or link), to explain 'a solid at room-temperature at sea-level (pressure)'.
(I recently tried to fix an article, by saying "sea-level" - but i have not fixed the 'missing part about pressure'. See,
This compound (and many other) is a ... solid]] at (so-called) standard temperature and pressure.) 2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408 (talk) 19:27, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
"It is often found as a solid, in nature."--This is an example of something, that is not as bad as saying "It is a solid."--I would not rule out (myself) using that ('nature phrase') as a 'quick fix', if an article says 'It is a solid.' 2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408 (talk) 19:34, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would assume that without further qualifications, this means under standard conditions (room temperature, standard pressure, sea level)? - So I will continue hugging my block of Helium (...which melts at 0.95 Kelvin..).. Eptalon (talk) 10:26, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
"It is a ... solid at 15 °C at standard atmosphere, and in (many) other situations."--The word 'situation', is a dumbed-down translation of 'condition'.
(And for those of you who are thinking, "But isn't Helium" a gas? Yeah,
it is a gas at 15 degrees Celsius (59 degrees Fahrenheit) at standard atmosphere (and in many other 'situations'). 2001:2020:355:9511:AC4A:460E:8E48:8867 (talk) 12:36, 19 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408 /2001:2020:355:9511:AC4A:460E:8E48:8867 (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Helium is usually a gas..? and link the usually to Standard temperature and pressure. Helium is an extreme example, it melts at 0.95 K (-272 °C) and boils at 4.2 K (-269 °C). Under normal pressure, at absolute zero (0 K), it will be liquid. So, hugging my block of Helium is probably impossible. Eptalon (talk) 06:59, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Helium is often a gas..?--In regard to "Under normal pressure, at absolute zero (0 K)", that does not sound like any liquid; However, it does sound troublesome, as in big-problem. 2001:2020:335:AE4B:6D0F:C33A:F723:90CC (talk) 12:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408
- I am not a chemist, but Hydrogen melts at 14 K (-259 C) and boils at 21 K (-251 C). I am not a chemist, but likely there are some elements that don't have a solid form... Eptalon (talk) 22:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Helium is often a gas..?--In regard to "Under normal pressure, at absolute zero (0 K)", that does not sound like any liquid; However, it does sound troublesome, as in big-problem. 2001:2020:335:AE4B:6D0F:C33A:F723:90CC (talk) 12:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408
Also, please 'advise me' in regard to which of the (cirka) room-temperatures, which is the most interesting for chemistry articles (on Simple-wiki).--Zero degrees Celsius i would not consider room-temperature. So, in most cases 'i will likely stick with' 15 degrees or 25 degrees or 20 degrees Celsius, wherever the arguments will lead us.--(Also, 15 degrees or 25 degrees or 20 degrees Celsius - one of these should maybe have an article, so that one can link "Compound x is a gas at about room-temperature/cirka room-temperature" ... ).
Anyway, Neon is now "an odorless and tasteless gas (at 15 degrees Celsius at a standard pressure)".--Maybe that text will be good enough for c. one week. 2001:2020:313:AAD9:AC3C:461:ABFB:5507 (talk) 17:31, 21 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408
- Yes, that's definitely ok. I think IUPAC defines room temperature as 25 degrees centigrade/Celsius, but the physicists say it's 15 degrees. Eptalon (talk) 05:29, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
- If someone creates articles with '25 degrees Celsius' or '20 degrees Celsius', then leave that alone (for the longest time)!--Some times it is okay to deal with nitty gritty, say a year after people have diminished their article-creation output.--Another thing: Room-temperature (arguably) gets most attention when we are heating rooms, or when we are using aircondition; Electric fans have little impact on the average temperature in a room; North-Europeans might feel a stronger 'economical connection' with the 15 degree Celsius idea. People from near equator might care less about the 15 degree idea.--If this post is helpful to anyone, then fine. 2001:2020:8347:71BB:904B:C529:B877:7D76 (talk) 18:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408
- I forgot to say that it is unlikely that anyone will feel insulted, if "15 degrees Celsius", gets changed to a shorter form (that has c. 4 characters).--I use the long forms, just to finish text without extra hassle.)--If this post makes sense to many, then fine. 2001:2020:8347:71BB:904B:C529:B877:7D76 (talk) 18:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- If someone creates articles with '25 degrees Celsius' or '20 degrees Celsius', then leave that alone (for the longest time)!--Some times it is okay to deal with nitty gritty, say a year after people have diminished their article-creation output.--Another thing: Room-temperature (arguably) gets most attention when we are heating rooms, or when we are using aircondition; Electric fans have little impact on the average temperature in a room; North-Europeans might feel a stronger 'economical connection' with the 15 degree Celsius idea. People from near equator might care less about the 15 degree idea.--If this post is helpful to anyone, then fine. 2001:2020:8347:71BB:904B:C529:B877:7D76 (talk) 18:00, 26 October 2024 (UTC) /2001:2020:333:C6E5:83A:C472:2680:1408
Technical issue
[change source]An error is in effect at COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia. When one clicks the "Languages" button, it says, "This page is not available in other languages"; however, the page is actually available in standard English: En:COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia. 162.156.70.174 (talk) 22:31, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
- Done. The page wasn't connected to wikidata before, but now that I have the other language links will appear.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 10:36, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
Welcome to WikiProject Tropical cyclones!
[change source]
Hello, Simple talk, and Welcome to the WikiProject Tropical cyclones! You may want to begin by reading these pages: You can add Thanks to become Member! |
TyphoonAmpil (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
- My eyes widen in surprise. "Tropical cyclones, you say?" I muse. "Now, that's a topic that could blow even the most stoic of individuals away!" I laughs lightly, my cheeks flushing a soft pink. "But in all seriousness, it's important to stay informed and connected, even about the storms of knowledge. It's like having an umbrella of understanding in the rain of information." 162.156.70.174 (talk) 04:37, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
'Wikidata item' link is moving, finally.
[change source]Hello everyone, I previously wrote on the 27th September to advise that the Wikidata item sitelink will change places in the sidebar menu, moving from the General section into the In Other Projects section. The scheduled rollout date of 04.10.2024 was delayed due to a necessary request for Mobile/MinervaNeue skin. I am happy to inform that the global rollout can now proceed and will occur later today, 22.10.2024 at 15:00 UTC-2. Please let us know if you notice any problems or bugs after this change. There should be no need for null-edits or purging cache for the changes to occur. Kind regards, -Danny Benjafield (WMDE) 11:29, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Userboxes
[change source]Hello there! I was wondering if I was allowed to bring existing userboxes from enwikipedia to here? for example, if I wanted to add Template:User Pantheist (a userbox that is only on the en wikipedia) to my profile on simple, could I simply copy the source code from the en wiki page? Or must I create my own original pantheist userbox with its own original source code/text? I apologize if this isn't the right place for questions of this nature. Gumboot! 🌵 (talk) 14:22, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Gumboot Soup: Yes, you can copy it. Please be sure to:
- Categorize it in a category we have here, either Category:Userbox templates or a subcat of it. We don't have the same categories as enwiki, so the category/ies it's in there might not exist here.
- Bring over the doc page and functional subpages, if any. You do not have to bring over sandbox or testcases pages unless they are needed.
- Thanks! If you would like the template imported for you, you can ask for that on WP:AN. -- Auntof6 (talk) 16:24, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
Is it okay to start a sentence with a conjunction like "so", "and", or "but"?
[change source]An example is "Sea levels were lower because more water was in the form of ice. So migration from Asia to Australia was easier than it is now." (Ancient Australia)
That is better for simplicity. 2620:6E:6000:2900:E47B:272A:94C2:AE9D (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Helloǃ The Simple Wiki doesn't really use conjunctions at the start of a sentence. In your example,"Sea levels were lower because more water was in the form of ice. So migration from Asia to Australia was easier than it is now", it would be "Sea levels were lower because more water was in the form of ice. Migration from Asia to Australia was easier than it is now." Thanks, Aster🪻 talk edits 13:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- But without the conjunction, people might not realize that the first sentence is the cause of the second. 2620:6E:6000:2900:E47B:272A:94C2:AE9D (talk) 13:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- You also could switch it around so it says, "Migration from Asia to Australia was easier than it is now. This is because sea levels were lower because there was more ice." Thanks, Aster🪻 talk edits 13:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Or just use "therefore" instead of "so": "Sea levels were lower because more water was in the form of ice. Therefore, migration from Asia to Australia was easier than it is now." -- Auntof6 (talk) 22:07, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- You also could switch it around so it says, "Migration from Asia to Australia was easier than it is now. This is because sea levels were lower because there was more ice." Thanks, Aster🪻 talk edits 13:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- But without the conjunction, people might not realize that the first sentence is the cause of the second. 2620:6E:6000:2900:E47B:272A:94C2:AE9D (talk) 13:39, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
No archival any more?
[change source]Hello, it looks like there is no more bot archiving, anyone has details? Eptalon (talk) 18:22, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Really? I'll test 873Bot, is there any specific bots that are confirmed to not be archiving now? Fu2ionSub (Talk) 08:52, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- this is set to archive threads that are older than 10 days, so I would expect some of these here to disappear.. Eptalon (talk) 10:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bot873 does seem to still be archiving talk pages, since it archived my one this morning. Looks to be a Simple Talk specific issue. Is there any other pages archived by Bot873 that seem to be having this issue?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, this one, and the admin notice board (which has a longer rétention time of 14 days) Eptalon (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Hello,
- I don't know if it is a settings issuew, or something else change: The archival bot seems to run, but it no longer archives these pages (Simple Talk/Admin Noticeboard, possibly: Talk:Main page, but there's very little traffic there.
- So we need to look into getting archival for these pages running again.
- Comments? Eptalon (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- It might (suddenly) be having problems with pages in the Wikipedia namespace (although not confident as nore data is needed past two pages).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 21:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at Special:Contributions/Bot873, the only pages in Wikipedia namespace that it edits are indeed ST, AN and Change filter mistakes where there are fewer requests. It was archiving almost daily but seemingly stopped on 18 October. But as a first point-of-call, we should ask Operator873. He will probably be able to realise the problem quicker than we can not knowing what's going on behind the scenes! --Ferien (talk) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah, that probably should've been done first lol.- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 21:12, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at Special:Contributions/Bot873, the only pages in Wikipedia namespace that it edits are indeed ST, AN and Change filter mistakes where there are fewer requests. It was archiving almost daily but seemingly stopped on 18 October. But as a first point-of-call, we should ask Operator873. He will probably be able to realise the problem quicker than we can not knowing what's going on behind the scenes! --Ferien (talk) 21:10, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- It might (suddenly) be having problems with pages in the Wikipedia namespace (although not confident as nore data is needed past two pages).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 21:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- As far as I can see, this one, and the admin notice board (which has a longer rétention time of 14 days) Eptalon (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Bot873 does seem to still be archiving talk pages, since it archived my one this morning. Looks to be a Simple Talk specific issue. Is there any other pages archived by Bot873 that seem to be having this issue?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 11:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- this is set to archive threads that are older than 10 days, so I would expect some of these here to disappear.. Eptalon (talk) 10:03, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
French regions
[change source]A lot of the articles about French communes use the old Regions of France from before 2016. Most of these articles are very short. For the pages I'm talking about, see:
- Search results for "in the region Aquitaine" --> should be changed to Nouvelle-Aquitaine
- Search results for "in the region Basse-Normandie" --> should be changed to Normandie or Normandy (not sure which)
- Search results for "in the region Languedoc-Roussillon" --> should be changed to Occitanie
- Search results for "in the region Midi-Pyrénées" --> should be changed to Occitanie
- Search results for "in the region Nord-Pas-de-Calais" --> should be changed to Hauts-de-France
- Search results for "in the region Picardie" --> should be changed to Hauts-de-France
- Search results for "in the Aquitaine region" --> should be changed to Nouvelle-Aquitaine
- Search results for "in the Basse-Normandie region" --> should be changed to Normandie or Normandy (not sure which)
- Search results for "in the Nord-Pas-de-Calais region" --> should be changed to Hauts-de-France
- Search results for "in the Picardie region" --> should be changed to Hauts-de-France
- Search results for "in the Picardy region" --> should be changed to Hauts-de-France
Combined, these add up to 2889 articles.
I've noticed that most of them say "in the region X in the Y department". The departments are smaller than regions so I wonder if the departments should come first. A possible argument against that is that the regions are larger and therefore more recognizable.
Another question is whether these should say "in the region X" or "in the X region", or if both are acceptable and they should be left alone.
Are these edits that administrators could make, using AutoWikiBrowser? PRicoNMI (talk) 18:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- AFAIK, the departments didn't change, it was just that 2-3 of the old regions were combined into a new one. Eptalon (talk) 10:04, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, therefore I am hoping that an admin could use AutoWikiBrowser to change the regions in all these articles. The other questions are secondary, but they could be handled at the same time. PRicoNMI (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
New articles
[change source]Administrators, Why Articles doesn't connect to translation Raayaan9911 Talk to me! 15:26, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- You need to click on 'Add translation', and add add at one... Eptalon (talk) 15:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It says "This page is not available in other languages." Can you help me to 'Add translation' Raayaan9911 Talk to me! 15:54, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Any other New Changes Patrollers noticing this?
[change source]Anybody else noticing pages are being "removed" from Category:Pages using the JsonConfig extension more than normal, and any subsequent edits the page also can result in the page being "removed" from the category, even if it is just a simple grammar fix?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 10:41, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- @FusionSub the category on en wiki will be deleted. Whatever template/module used to populate it is no longer used, so whenever an edit is made to any page in that category, it will be purged and removed from the category. They say there's a "job queue" that will eventually purge all pages and empty out the category. It's possible a similar change was made to a template/module here. Depextual (talk) 12:23, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- actually, you need to make an edit. Simply purging a page does not work. Depextual (talk) 12:27, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- That would make sense if it only happened once, but it happens whenever the page is edited (even after it was previously edited (which with the reasoning you provided shouldn't happen)).- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
More participation needed
[change source]Hi, there are several areas of the project that needs more participation from users and admins. I am going to list them here so anyone interested can add these page to the watchlist which is the easiest way to be updated on those areas. If I am missing any areas, please feel free to list them so I will add it to my watchlist as well.
- Wikipedia:Proposed good articles -- needs more overall participation
- Wikipedia:Deletion review -- Can we set better archival system for this page?
- Wikipedia:Requests for permissions -- A request is stuck for more than a month with 22 votes with the minimum requirement being 25.
Thanks,--BRP ever 12:07, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I feel like WP:DRV really needs a rework in general. Maybe make it more similar to WP:RfD in some ways?- FusionSub (Talk page) (Contributions) 14:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
- I think if we set it up in a way where the archival is automatic or semi-automatic everything will be resolved. Another RFD like process is a lot of extra maintenance work for community when we already have our hands full.--BRP ever 11:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Just when I was looking for something to do. Thanks, BRP. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Final Reminder: Join us in Making Wiki Loves Ramadan Success
[change source]Dear all,
We’re thrilled to announce the Wiki Loves Ramadan event, a global initiative to celebrate Ramadan by enhancing Wikipedia and its sister projects with valuable content related to this special time of year. As we organize this event globally, we need your valuable input to make it a memorable experience for the community.
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The Wiki Loves Ramadan Organizing Team 05:12, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
Technical issue
[change source]An error is in effect at COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia. When one clicks the "Languages" button, it says, "This page is not available in other languages"; however, the page is actually available in standard English: En:COVID-19 pandemic in British Columbia. 162.156.70.174 (talk) 18:53, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- I just linked it in Wikidata. Did that fix the problem? -- Auntof6 (talk) 20:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it did. 162.156.70.174 (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Those links don't show up automatically. You have to make the connection in Wikidata. -- Auntof6 (talk) 21:19, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, it did. 162.156.70.174 (talk) 20:58, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
Interface admin rights
[change source]Hi everyone, I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Interface administrators about whether we should grant interface admin to non-admins or not. Please offer any comments and questions you have on that page. Thanks, --Ferien (talk) 12:15, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Blacklist proposal
[change source]Hello. Recently I noticed that the condition of some sources on simplewiki is very bad. There are instagram as a source, or even quora and reddit as historical sources (!). Some of the pseudo-sources I found are listed on User:BZPN/BlockedDomains.json. All sources on my list have been removed from the articles and replaced with an appropriate template where necessary. Moreover, I also suggest blocking medium.com and buzzfeed.com, as these are sources created without any verification by users and are completely unreliable. If anyone is against blacklisting these sources, please let me know. Regards, BZPN (talk) 12:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- I would not blacklist Instagram, because according to en:WP:INSTAGRAM, sometimes it can be used as a primary source (for example for a celebrity's birthdate). ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 21:46, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Dream Indigo, Instagram as a source is disrespectful to the reader - everyone can write whatever they want there, and the reader doesn't know whether it's true. Moreover, on enwiki, content is controlled differently - there, pseudo-sources or spamlinks will be spotted immediately by active editors, while here, most likely, no one will notice them. Recently, I found and removed, for example, text (with emoji) copied from an Instagram post in an article (btw, it's a copyvio), lots of spamlinks to Instagram profiles, or Instagram as the only source. Instagram should absolutely not be used in such a situation, and blocking it will allow us to protect ourselves from spam, etc. I cannot understand how Instagram can be considered any source in an encyclopedia that reaches millions of people... After all, literally anyone can create an account there and write whatever they want. Moreover, enwiki rules do not strictly apply here and should be interpreted in terms of the simplewiki situation :). BZPN (talk) 22:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BZPN: I agree with many of the things you said, however (literally anyone can create an account there and write whatever they want) there is a huge difference from a random, unreliable fanpage and the official, verified profile of someone. If Lady Example says she's Christian on her official account, why should I not believe her? If Example Singer says that today it's his birthday, why would he lie about that? And if he lied there, he will lie in interviews as well. Personally, I believe their own Instagram posts more than any interview, which could contain a mistake, be a misinterpretation or even be slightly edited. Also, I don't see how it is disrespectful to our readers, if and only if used correctly, according to that guideline. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 23:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Dream Indigo, let's assume you're right. If Instagram is a primary source, then there must be a secondary source. So why not just provide the secondary source? Wouldn't someone so famous that they have a verified social media profile even get an interview in a large and well-known newspaper (and such rarely make mistakes in content)? I'll say it again: simplewiki won't be able to pick when Instagram is good and when it's not; there will be more spam than real sources, and editors won't be able to handle it. BZPN (talk) 23:29, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @BZPN: I agree with many of the things you said, however (literally anyone can create an account there and write whatever they want) there is a huge difference from a random, unreliable fanpage and the official, verified profile of someone. If Lady Example says she's Christian on her official account, why should I not believe her? If Example Singer says that today it's his birthday, why would he lie about that? And if he lied there, he will lie in interviews as well. Personally, I believe their own Instagram posts more than any interview, which could contain a mistake, be a misinterpretation or even be slightly edited. Also, I don't see how it is disrespectful to our readers, if and only if used correctly, according to that guideline. ✩ Dream Indigo ✩ 23:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Dream Indigo, Instagram as a source is disrespectful to the reader - everyone can write whatever they want there, and the reader doesn't know whether it's true. Moreover, on enwiki, content is controlled differently - there, pseudo-sources or spamlinks will be spotted immediately by active editors, while here, most likely, no one will notice them. Recently, I found and removed, for example, text (with emoji) copied from an Instagram post in an article (btw, it's a copyvio), lots of spamlinks to Instagram profiles, or Instagram as the only source. Instagram should absolutely not be used in such a situation, and blocking it will allow us to protect ourselves from spam, etc. I cannot understand how Instagram can be considered any source in an encyclopedia that reaches millions of people... After all, literally anyone can create an account there and write whatever they want. Moreover, enwiki rules do not strictly apply here and should be interpreted in terms of the simplewiki situation :). BZPN (talk) 22:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
How do you report a user whose username is promotional or names a business?
[change source]I am seeing edits on this wiki from a user called User:Times Daily. Times Daily is a newspaper published in Florence, Alabama, and I am wondering if the use of this username, would have any issues, given that (maybe unintentionally) it is advertising a business. If it is the case, then can someone tell me how to report it and who to report it to, please? Thanks. DaneGeld (talk) 18:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @DaneGeld You can report at WP:VIP. Thank you! Aster🪻 talk edits 18:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Fwiw I don't think this user is related to that newspaper as none of what they've been creating/editing is America related,
- I'd prefer the user be given a chance to rename first however given the constant issues with them thus far I honestly don't know if it's worth giving them that option when they'll probably be blocked per CIR in a weeks time anyway. –Davey2010Talk 18:19, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: I'm pretty sure the user behind Times Daily blew up that account and made a new one, is that legitimate? Aster🪻 talk edits 18:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Generally speaking yes it's legitimate providing they never edit under TD again but if they've already got a new account then I would support hard blocking purely because of the username –Davey2010Talk 18:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Davey2010: I'm pretty sure the user behind Times Daily blew up that account and made a new one, is that legitimate? Aster🪻 talk edits 18:23, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, I am not a Business entity, and i didn't knew of it's existence till now, when you tagged me. Times Daily (talk) 18:13, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for confirming that. Would you be OK with changing your username please? It would be helpful if you could. You don't have to lose the work you have done. You can ask the stewards to change it here. Thanks! DaneGeld (talk) 18:21, 31 October 2024 (UTC)