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Good articles are a higher status of article than regular articles. In order to become a good article, there are certain criteria that the article must meet. These criteria can be found at Wikipedia:Requirements for good articles.

This page is to discuss articles to decide whether they meet the GA criteria. When an article is posted here for discussion, it should have the {{pgood}} tag placed on it. This will place the article in Category:Proposed good articles.

Articles which are accepted by the community as good articles have their {{pgood}} tag replaced with {{good}}. They are also listed on Wikipedia:Good articles and are placed in Category:Good articles. Articles which are not accepted by the community as good articles have their {{good}} tag removed.

Articles that are above the good article criteria can be nominated to be a "very good article" at Wikipedia:Proposed very good articles.

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If you choose to participate in the discussion process for promoting articles, it is very important that you know and understand the criteria for good articles. Discussing an article is a promise to the community that you have thoroughly read the criteria and the article in question. You should be prepared to fully explain the reasons for your comments. This process should not be taken lightly, and if there is concern that a user is not taking the process seriously and/or is commenting without reason, they may have their privilege to participate taken away.

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To propose an article for Good article status, just add it to the top of the list using the code below. You may have one nomination open at a time only. Proposals run for three weeks. After this time the article will be either promoted or not promoted depending on the consensus reached in the discussion.

This is not a vote, so please do not use comments such as "Support" or "Oppose" etc.

=== Article name ===
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State why the article should be a GA. ~~~~

Kit Carson[change | change source]

Kit Carson (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

Kit Carson was a great American. He opened the American West to settlement by trailblazing and destroying the nation's enemies. This article is well written and researched with an eye to making things simple for our users and readers. This in itself is a reason for the article's inclusion in the pantheon of GAs. I will respond to all suggestions for improvement on this article. Thank you.SeeSpot Run (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

  •  Question: You definitely want to create (or link to wikitory) frontiersman and trapper, as both of these words are not simple.  Done Explained within the text. SeeSpot Run (talk) 15:31, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 On hold You currently have this article at DYK. Since an article can't be at both GA and DYK, you need to pick one or the other. Since it was at DYK first, consider this GA on hold until the DYK nomination is resolved. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:05, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
Nope, articles can be at both DYK and GA - it's VGA that can't also be at DYK, and then only after they get promoted. VGAs cannot be DYKs, but GAs can. Goblin 20:10, 23 September 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Gordonrox24!
Oops, you're right. Carry on. --Auntof6 (talk) 20:26, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
  • The article has been remedied per Jona! Please continue! SeeSpot Run (talk) 15:18, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
I've just done some simplifying, some items for the second time. If you disagree with any of it, please discuss instead of just undoing it. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:48, 27 September 2014 (UTC)
Second round of comments

Thanks for resolving those issues above, here are some more. I'm afraid that Simple's article on Carson lacks a lot of information (possibly important ones) that are on the enWiki and because of this, all of the subsections are small and pictures overlap them causing a lack of flow. Here are some more comments;

  • In the lead "He is buried next to his wife Josefa", which number of wife was she? Remember to add information to the uniformed reader
  • Do you know where in Kentucky he was born?
  • Do we have a name for his brother?
  • There are some subsections that are extremely small and could be combined to make other sections bigger per above (his description and his illiteracy for example)
  • Avoid overlinking (Oregon Trail, for example)
  • Source needed for his reburial
  • The infobox here could well be added to his article on this wiki

Best, jonatalk to me 16:37, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Can we list the issues with articles on the article's talk page, please, to keep them accessible once this page gets archived? I'm also of half a mind to close this discussion as articles should meet the criteria before they are nominated and not be undergoing such important and numerous changes, but let's let it play out for now... Goblin 21:55, 1 October 2014 (UTC) I ♥ Jersey!

Ronald Reagan[change | change source]

Ronald Reagan (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

Ronald Reagan was a great leader and one heck of president. So, as my tribute, I would like to nominate the Ronald Reagan article for a GA status. The article is very simple, has large amount of pictures, goes through his life and presidency in details (which are supported by reliable references), and summarizes his life accomplishments in simple detail for our SE readers. Write any suggestions on my talk page --> here. Don't write any one the article's talk page because it appears it has a glitch. Thanks for the support. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Support - Looks like a pretty good canidate, a very easy read. I support. George.Edward.C (talk) (contribs) 08:02, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
 Question: The article looks fine, however, while reading I found several problems. Why are dates linked? (example in the lead), and decent, acquired, critics, legislature, interfere, are not simple words (wikitory them would help, or simplified them), Barry Goldwater is linked twice in the article body as well as republican and conservative. Can you provide a source for the last sentence in "honors"? Best, jonatalk to me 00:12, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Done. I simplified the article. Critics and decent are link to simple English pages to give a further simple def. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:45, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I Agree the article is GA worthy. Best, jonatalk to me 00:58, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Hold on. Some of TDKR's changes created problems. Give me a few minutes and I'll fix them or note them here. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:51, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
How? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:53, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm working on it. Give me a few more minutes -- I had to stop to feed my cats! --Auntof6 (talk) 02:12, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Sorry. I have a fish myself. Pets I'm I right? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
At least a fish doesn't meow at you or knock things over when it wants to be fed! Anyway, I fixed a couple of small things. You linked "interference", but that article is about a specific scientific meaning of the word, not the meaning the article needed. (You really have to watch for words that have more than one meaning -- there are so many of them in English, and even words that are listed on the Basic English lists are only basic for some of their meanings.) I also fixed the phrase "got stuck the name", where it talked about his nickname.
Other than that, the article still needs quite a bit of simplifying. There are a lot of compound sentences. (If you don't understand what a compound sentence is, just ask -- I won't think badly of you!) Some of the easy ones to identify are where there are two sentences joined with semicolons, and some where they're joined by dashes. However, there are more besides those. Here's an example:
Reagan's favorite acting role was as a double amputee in 1942's Kings Row, in which he recites the line, "Where's the rest of me?", later used as the title of his 1965 autobiography.
That sentence should be divided into at least three shorter ones.
I also see some places that need copy editing. For example, "Although he used to be a Democrat who strongly supported the New Deal and admired Franklin Roosevelt." isn't a complete sentence. There are places that have some words that could be removed (in "They both became good friends", the word "both" is redundant). There are some misplaced modifiers. There is a link to the dab page Debut, which should probably be changed to a simpler word anyway. (Don't feel bad about not catching the dab link -- I have my account set so that they appear highlighted and I see them very easily.) Besides all that, there are some words that are just more complex than they need to be.
These are just the things I noticed giving it a quick read -- I'm sure I'd find others if I looked more closely. Don't get me wrong: large sections of the article don't have these issues. It's just that there are enough of them that I think the article needs a lot of improvement before it can be considered a GA. I'm going to stop now because I know you're waiting for my reply. Let me know how I can help. --Auntof6 (talk) 02:41, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I've simplified many complex words (sorry for not catching them) and I've shorten sentences and copy-edited. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:18, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm impressed -- you did some really good work there! A couple of the changes changed the meaning, though. When I'm back on my main PC, I'll give you the specifics. It's too cumbersome to work with long articles on my tablet. --Auntof6 (talk) 06:18, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Generally good, but I found this sentence under "Entrance into politics": "Although he used to be a Democrat, he strongly supported the New Deal". (Which of course makes no sense.) Macdonald-ross (talk) 07:39, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
  • From a first glance, looks good. I'll review it in depth if and when I get the time. Pmlineditor (t · c · l) 11:43, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
    I'd prefer to see "loved" changed to something less "intense". Here: "In high school Reagan loved to act.[1] He loved athletics ..." Thanks! SeeSpot Run (talk) 16:58, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
    I changed the first love to enjoy. I kept the second love because I felt it sounds like a boring list..."Reagan enjoyed...Reagan enjoyed...". Feel free to respond to my decision. I can change it if it doesn't compute. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:16, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
    Fine for first "loved". 2nd "loved" you might try: "Reagan was athletic. He became a life guard. He was credited with saving 77 lives." Also too many compound sentences! SeeSpot Run (talk) 15:10, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
    Done. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2014 (UTC)
  • In the intro "Reagan is known to have created a political right." sounds very peculiar. Of course, Reagan didn't create any such thing. You're probably trying to compress something which needs more space. Anyway, it's not clear what you mean there. Macdonald-ross (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, but now the into says nothing about his politics. I think that makes it rather bland. I would agree that it's difficult to summarise his politics, but without question it's an issue a reader would expect to see in the intro. Both Reagan and Margaret Thatcher had rather similar liberal-conservative economic policies, perhaps influenced by such as Friedrich Hayek and Milton Friedman. Anyway, his economic policy was a change from that of previous administrations. Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:40, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
    • How about a short summary of his Presidency and Reaganomics? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:01, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
    • Never mind, I added more information about his presidency and economic policies in the intro. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:36, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

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