Wikipedia:Proposed good articles

Good articles are articles that many people find to be better than other articles. Good articles have criteria/requirements that the article needs to have. Read Wikipedia:Requirements for good articles for information about the criteria.

This page is to talk about articles to see if they meet Good Article criteria. When an article is posted here, it should have the {{pgood}} tag put on it. This will put the article in Category:Proposed good articles.

Articles that are accepted by the community as good articles will have their {{pgood}} tag replaced with {{good}}. They are also shown on Wikipedia:Good articles and are put in Category:Good articles. Articles that are not accepted by the community as good articles have their {{good}} tag removed.

Articles that are above the good article criteria can be nominated to be a "very good article" at Wikipedia:Proposed very good articles.

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If you choose to participate in the discussion process for promoting articles, it is very important that you know and understand the criteria for good articles. Discussing an article is a promise to the community that you have read the criteria and the article in question. You should prepare to completely explain the reasons for your comments. This process should not be taken lightly. If there is concern that a user is not taking the process seriously and/or is commenting without reason, they may have their privilege to participate taken away.

Proposals for good articles

To propose an article for Good article status, just add it to the top of the list using the code below. You may have one nomination open at a time only. Proposals run for three weeks. After this time the article will be either promoted or not promoted depending on the consensus reached in the discussion.

This is not a vote, so please do not use comments such as "Support" or "Oppose" etc.

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Four color theorem

Four color theorem (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

I think I started this, or contributed a lot to the article. Yes, its a subject about matehmatics. As far as I have seen there are a few red-links (about math-related concepts, mostly graph theroy), and almost all names mentioned are red links. What is the general impression, esp. concerning the fluency/readabiliy? - Yes, I know it is about mathematics, so simplifying the language will be dificult in certain places...--Eptalon (talk) 09:36, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Oxygen

Oxygen (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

I know that this article is not quite at GA status yet but would like some feedback on how it could be improved. I have been translating it from the enwiki over the last week. IWI (chat) 21:27, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

I think a first step would be to get rid of red links. In my opinion, link to a person (name) is not as important as a link to a concept. Some links (such as liquid oxygen), can be split. As we are on the page about oxygen, we only need a link to liquid. Otherwise, I think the page is a good start. I fainly remember from Chemistry, that IUPAC (IIRC) defined a color for flasks of Oxygen (blue?). It would be worth mentining this, probably in the into...--Eptalon (talk) 09:28, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Esperanto

Esperanto (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

This a detailed yet simple article describing the language Esperanto. It is well sourced and i believe it deserved to be a good article. 131.203.253.18 (talk)

First of all, please create an account, it makes communication easier. Secondly: Yes, the article is a good start. I do however think that esperanto-related redlinks (such as "esperantujo") will probably need creating (a short explanation is enough). If you don't use esperantujo, but rather: places where E. is common, you probably also get around fixing the few Esperanto-related red-links. There are other planned languages; I don't know if you want to mention Ido (which is based on Esperanto, but about 50 years younger), or Occidenntal/Interlingue, which takes the idea, bur uses a different vocabulary, or Interlingua. No idea if they are worth mentioning; Esperanto is probably the most successful of the "planned languages". Will have a closer look if other editors comment as well...--Eptalon (talk) 22:50, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

List of U.S. states

List of U.S. states (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

A concise and clear list of the states with a map and simplified explanation. The list itself was based on the enwiki version (an article that was featured, meaning it is probably the ideal way to present it). I can’t see says it could be improved further, besides possible simplification. Also, it was the most viewed article last month for some reason, which I’m not certain why. IWI (chat) 21:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

I don't think we ever settled whether lists can be considered for good status. Last discussion I see is Wikipedia_talk:Proposed_good_articles#Should_lists_be_allowed_to_be_nominated?. That being said, I don't think that this article would be "good" worthy. It is 2 sentences plus the table. The featured list at the English Wikipedia has multiple substantial paragraphs. Only (talk) 23:33, 3 March 2019 (UTC)

Bare bones list and this isn't remotely close to being a GA (or good list or whatever). Hiàn (talk) 01:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

We can discuss about the possibility to have "good lists" (personally, I don't believe lists can become good, because there's too little room for variation). Nevetheless: I'd expect the list to have sortable headers (there's a template for that). Probably the last states to join the union were Alaska (bought from Russia, in the 1860s, and Hawaii, who joined in the 1950s or 1960s). There may also be some joiners from the wars with Mexico. Anyway: There hasn't been much chang in this listing in the last 50-odd years. Also it is probably difficult to explain why Hawaii is a US state, and for example, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, or Puerto Rico are not (even though they are US territories). In short: I don't really see a future for a good list, there might be for an article that explains the different statuses of different US controlled territories. --Eptalon (talk) 20:16, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

1. Just for the record:
   • The last states to join were, in fact, Alaska (purchased in the 1860s, but not admitted as a state until January 1959) and Hawaii (annexed in the 1890s, but not admitted as a state until August 1959).
   • The land now occupied by the states of California, Nevada, Utah and Texas; most of Arizona and New Mexico; and portions of Colorado, Kansas, Oklahoma and Wyoming; resulted from wars with Mexico. The earliest of those states to be admitted was Texas, in 1845; the last were Arizona and New Mexico, in 1912.
   • Why the others are not states is a longer discussion.
2. As @Only points out, English Wikipedia does not have "good" lists. (Most of its lists that aren't junkworthy are at least as good as this one.) It does have featured lists—what we would call a "very good list" here. The criteria for that status are far more substantial than what is contained in this list. And we do not even officially have "very good lists" here.

This request should be closed. StevenJ81 (talk) 23:32, 4 March 2019 (UTC)

• Can be expanded via en. The content now is simply inadequate for a very good list if it exist. The territories and first few paragraphs should match en in terms of depth. Sources should be more adequate also. --Cohaf (talk) 15:32, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Right now, we don't have VG lists anyway. StevenJ81 (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

Fred Rogers

Fred Rogers (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

The article has been a project of mine over the years. Mr. Rogers through inspired and brought joy to many children across generations and when the film Won't You Be My Neighbor? was released, it unleashed a renewed appreciation, mourning, respect and love for Rogers. The article has been expanded, well sourced, simplified, and no red-links at all. Rogers is not only a hero of mine, but a hero to many and I believe it is a tribute for Rogers' article to gain a GA status for other readers to read his rich work and legacy. Any comments or concerns will be addressed and I will fix them as I did when Reagan, Sanders and Corbyn were nominated. Thank you. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:26, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

• Charming and well-written article about a genuinely good person. I was pleased to read about this man, and would thank our colleague for writing it and suggesting it for GA. I fully support its promotion! Macdonald-ross (talk) 12:40, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
• It's close, but it could still use a little simplifying: not so much in vocabulary, but for sentence length and structure. For example, the second paragraph in the "Death" section is all one sentence. It's OK for a paragraph to have only one sentence, but that sentence should be broken up. --Auntof6 (talk) 17:12, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
• @Auntof6:: I shortened sentences. Take a look! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:27, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
• Definitely close. Still, look at paragraph 3 of "Early Career": I'd (almost) never create a compound sentence using a semicolon to separate clauses on this wiki. (That's relatively advanced structure.) And look at paragraph 2 of "Mister Rogers' Neighborhood": You have a sentence containing a list of verbal phrases, which then concludes with a subordinate clause. I think you could do either one of those things in one sentence here, but doing both might be too much. But keep up the good work! StevenJ81 (talk) 17:31, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

• @StevenJ81:: Fixed those two! Take a look! --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:03, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

• Fantastic article so far, and it might just be me, but could the second sentence of the personal life section be clarified? Specifically the bit about him being a vegetarian? Hiàn (talk) 20:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Hiàn: I fixed up the section a bit. How is it now? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:04, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• A bit better, I've reworded it but I'm not sure if that's the message you were trying to convey. Hiàn (talk) 04:40, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• @Hiàn: Yes perfect! How's the article right now? --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:06, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing any potential issues, that's a support from me. Hiàn (talk) 02:33, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

Y Closed as promoted. As all the concerns have been fixed, the article is promoted.-BRP ^ever 13:32, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Oxalaia

Oxalaia (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

I've been working to get this page to good article status and I believe it now fits the criteria, overall the Simple English Wikipedia needs a lot of work on its dinosaur-related articles and I'd like to help out with that, this should be a good step in that direction. ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 18:34, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

There are complex sentences that need to be divided. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:00, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I Split them up, how do they look now? ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 21:07, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

You divided paragraphs, not sentences. The issue is complex sentences. --Auntof6 (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Ah, I looked up other good articles on this wiki and I see what you mean. Made the changes. ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 23:46, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

Anything else left to be fixed? ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 22:14, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

- I realise this is not specifically mentioned in the Good article criteria, but there are a lot of words in that text which even I struggle with, as a speaker of English as a second language. I don't believe that the text would be suitable as a GA if people learning the language would struggle to read it. DaneGeld (talk) 22:09, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I'm not sure the article could be any simpler, but since I'm a native english speaker I might be a bit biased. Can you give me some examples of these words? ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 22:38, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@DaneGeld: That would be covered by requirement #8: no tags on the page, and no tags needed. However, be aware that complex words are allowed if they are linked to articles (because presumably those articles explain the topic in simple language). --Auntof6 (talk) 22:53, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I understand what you're saying @Auntof6:, but I'm talking about the ability of another non-English speaker or learner to read the text. Clicking the link is fine, but when you have a lot of links, that can very quickly slow down your experience. What I'm proposing is split links. @PaleoGeekSquared: - You have words like "carnivorous", which you could link as [[carnivorous|meat-eating]] and "spinosaurid", which you could link as [[spinosaurid|crocodile-like dinosaur]] (I am aware you have that text already). You are perfectly fine to link to the articles you already have, but you could use simpler terms to manage those links, as I've shown.

The article is brilliant, but it's the complexity of reading the words I'm concerned about, not understanding them. I hope you understand my concern :) DaneGeld (talk) 23:01, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

I can understand your concerns about words like "carnivorous". However, you see terms like tyrannosaurid, allosaurid, dromaeosaur, spinosaurid, etc. on several dinosaur articles on this wiki, I think they should stay for the same reason User:Auntof6 mentions above. People read wikipedia for information, and we can't expect them to know all of it right away just by reading one article, if someone is curious on what a spinosaurid is, they should go to the respective article to find out, but I don't think it should be removed from the lead section of an article as it's a bit of a crucial element. A short explanation is given in the article for that anyways: "A crocodile-like dinosaur with teeth designed to grab and hold slippery fish". ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 23:16, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

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There are some claims that I feel should be clarified; I have tagged them for now, and will take a closer look later this weekend. Chenzw  Talk  03:52, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Whoops, looks like I forgot some references from the original article on en.wikipedia, thanks for bringing that to our attention. They should be there now, as well as some additional ones from the Spinosauridae page. ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ (Contribs) 05:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

@Auntof6 @Chenzw (Pinging some of the reviewers for the article). I'm here again to mention that the english wikipedia version of Oxalaia (see here[1]) has been through many major expansions and fixes as well as a Good Article review. Therefore the simple english article is now rather incomplete in comparison, this review will have to be put on hold until I or someone else can expand it and add the appropriate content. PaleoGeekSquared (talk) 19:18, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I don't think it is near being a good article. If this is a good article, then we have at least 5,000 better. Separate from that, it seems worth remembering that the genus rests on just a couple of bony fragments, meaning that there is a limit to what can be said. As fossils, Baryonyx and Spinosaurus provide more and better-based information. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:18, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

I've finally come back to try and finish up on this. The equivalent article at en.wikipedia is now featured and I have all the relevant information needed to expand it here.[2] I tried my best to exclude overly detailed content by comparing with other GAs here, but it should probably be given a look at from people more acquainted than me to writing simple articles. (Pinging reviewers @Macdonald-ross:, @Chenzw:, @DaneGeld: and @Auntof6:) ▼PσlєοGєєкƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼ 04:41, 22 September 2018 (UTC)

Remember that if certain complex words appear in a number of articles, yet don't really quite deserve articles of their own, you can always create entries at Simple English Wiktionary for them. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:34, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Y Closed as promoted. COngratulations everyone...--Eptalon (talk) 17:13, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Hugo Lloris

Hugo Lloris (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

I think this is a page that absolutely deserve to be a good article, is well-written, there are many fonts, external links, images and templates. Please control the page and improve it more. Thanks! --FlameStorm199 (talk) 13:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)

Pretty good article so far, but the article needs simplification, and clarification of self-contradictory sentences. Hiàn (talk) 02:49, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Also - the page is uncategorised and needs categories, there's direct copy-pasting from en.wiki without simplification and attribution. Hiàn (talk) 03:03, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

A lot of unchanged wording from En wiki; many sentences too long and complicated (tho' also many simplified). It's not a bad page, but not one we should promote. Macdonald-ross (talk) 17:45, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

N Closed as not promoted. No response from the nominator, and most of the raised issues were not fixed.--BRP ^ever 11:43, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Angaturama

Angaturama (change · talk · history · links · watch · logs · delete)

This page deserves to be a good article because it is long, well written, has lots of sources and images and just deserves to be a good article. --Centrosurus (talk) 12:29 October 02, 2018 (UTC)

The article was recently changed from redirecting to Irritator to being a complex article with a lot of unsimplified text copied from en:Irritator. In my opinion, the article should be changed back to a redirect. --Auntof6 (talk) 12:05, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I agree, and have changed it back to redirect. It was the very reverse of what we regard as a good page. Macdonald-ross (talk) 14:16, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

N Closed as not promoted. The article was changed into a redirect, and there is no response from the nominator. Thanks--BRP ^ever 11:15, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Related pages

• Wikipedia:Requirements for good articles
• Wikipedia:Requirements for very good articles
• Wikipedia:Proposed very good articles
• Wikipedia:Proposed article demotion