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Back online[change source]

After 3 months break, I am back editing again.--Peterdownunder (talk) 06:46, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome back! --Auntof6 (talk) 11:57, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great to see you back! -Barras talk 12:10, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, --Peterdownunder (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fitzroy River article[change source]

Hi Peterdownunder,

When you speak of needing an article about the Fitzroy River, do you mean the Fitzroy River in Queensland or the part in Western Australia? I am going to try and do some of the rivers on your list of "red" rivers. Please let me know. Thanks, ciao!!! Carriearchdale (talk) 06:06, 15 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Carriearchdale, that question made me think. When I check, there are red links to both, so if you are feeling in a "river mood" please write something. Even some basic stubs would be better than what we have at the moment.--Peterdownunder (talk) 02:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Username:Mr.raaj634536 hii. I am from india please help me how to became a adminstrator.and reply me.

Oversight[change source]

Hey Peter.

Thanks for that oversight issue. I was going to tag it for deletion and then have the stewards suppress the information. Thanks again! Eurodyne (talk) 00:20, 9 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem :) --Peterdownunder (talk) 19:38, 9 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Patroller[change source]

Hello dear Peterdownunder, can you please grant me the patrolller right? i am very familiar with Simple.wp policies and guidelines and i believe that that will especially be useful to me.This right will be useful to patrolle new pages and to reduce the workload of new page patrollers.I also have autopatroller right on frwiki,and meta (check). Regards --Grind24talk ??Contribs 14:34, 22 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

G'day Grind24, I would like to see a few more edits to be sure about granting you the patroller rights. Writing in Simple English does have a few different problems. I would simply like to see you demonstrate your understanding of the policies and guidelines in a practical way. After that, there should be no problems in making you a patroller.--Peterdownunder (talk) 00:30, 24 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Batcher9999[change source]

Hey Peterdownunder, I feel that User:Batcher9999 is a sockpuppet of KANGAROO EXPERT because did the exact same disrupted editing on Despicable Me. Just compare the edits by Chineseman (which was confirmed to be a sockpuppet or Kangaroo Expert) and to that of Batcher. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 01:27, 23 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for picking that up - it certainly will be investigated further.--Peterdownunder (talk) 01:46, 24 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Peterdownunder,

When you get a moment would you fix up two redirects both pointing: to:

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquarian

Antiquary and Antiquarius

I was not sure what syntax you use here. Thanks!!! ciao!, and by the way please check the new article I put up here today, entitled Bojihwayangdong buralsongseonsaeng. G'day!!! Carriearchdale 17:19, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) You format it like this: #REDIRECT [[Redirect target]]. Remember to leave an edit sum, I nearly let Antiquary be deleted! Thanks! George Edward CTalkContributions 17:22, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I did... QUOTE 17:09, November 29, 2014 (diff | hist) . . (+11)‎ . . N Antiquarius ‎ (please make this page redirect to https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiquarian) ENDQUOTE

ciao!!! Carriearchdale 17:28, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) I meant Antiquary, but it doesn't matter now! :) George Edward CTalkContributions 17:32, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It seems that my talk page stalkers have solved the problem for me. IF there are still questions, please ask--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:08, 30 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

chopped out all but about a sentence[change source]

note to Peterdownunder[change source]

Diff of the rfd after I entered my vote, comment, and proof of my opinion as to why my argument shows the article nominated by the nominator is indeed totally notable. diff is here --->[1]

short time later[change source]

the rfd page shows as this diff --->[2]

The nominator of the article for rfd has gone in, and removed most of my comments and proofs shown in the diff above. No notation was left for other editors to consider my argument for keep and the proof behind my argument. After chopping out the almost whole part of my argument with proof for keeping the article in the rfd, The nominator went back after just leave one sentence of what I had posted. She put her comment as to why she believes the article is not notable.

I have no problem with the nominator making comment down further in the rfd discussion. I do find it difficult to believe that a nominator may remove part of a voters argument and proof, and leave only one sentence left from the comment that she chopped up and demoted to the deep history of the page.

Peterdownunder, is this normal procedure here at simple english wikipedia? That it is okay for the nominator of the article, who btw is an administrator, to go in and edit the vote, statement and its proof by a voter? And then put in more of a statement as to why they think the article is not notable. Now remember that chopped out all but about a sentence from the voter's statement. Please tell me, Peterdownunder? Is this the normal procedure and protocol and such here at se.wp during an RFD? ciao!!! Carriearchdale 21:23, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) All the text I deleted is in the article, and the RfD should refer to it there. We do not put article text or references on the RfD page. By the way, it shows a little bit of bad faith that you not only didn't ask me about this first, you didn't even let me know you were complaining about something I did. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see a couple of problems here - Carrie not being aware (actually neither was I) about rfd arguments, and Aof6 being perhaps heavy handed in dealing with it. I am quite sure that both editors are trying to get the best possible outcome for the SEWP. I think it is OK to ask another editor for an opinion, I always ask when I am unsure of procedures, protocols and practices. And they do change over time. You are both editors whose work I respect, so please stay calm and believe like I do that you are both doing your best. --Peterdownunder (talk) 09:50, 30 November 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your improvements on this. I had declined a qd on it earlier, and my changes were to get it just to the point where people would realize it was a real thing and not nominate it for deletion. --Auntof6 (talk) 09:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

We actually had an edit clash, I saw it and thought it needed some more info, I am glad you found the right category.--Peterdownunder (talk) 09:29, 23 December 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I found it by looking at how it's categorized on enwiki. Work smarter, not harder! :) --Auntof6 (talk) 09:34, 23 December 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Invitation to Medical Translation[change source]

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Support Castilleja Class Project?[change source]

Hi Peterdownunder,

You have kindly been our class ambassador on past projects. This year, in honor of US Women's History Month, we would like to create/populate pages on notable female authors who write award winning or very popular books read by middle school students. Our teachers want to hold this class fairly soon--Monday, March 23, 2015, at 8am-12 noon, Pacific. I'm just getting back up to speed on all this project requires, but we have been very careful to follow all guidelines in the past. Would you be available to be our ambassador once again?

Thank you! Tasha, Castilleja Librarian Castilibrary (talk) 00:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Tash, would be delighted to assist in any way possible. --Peterdownunder (talk) 05:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you! I am getting resources in order and will point you to them when ready. Castilibrary (talk) 19:03, 17 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Quick question--am I supposed to share the range of IP addresses from which we will be working? If so, where? Thanks! Castilibrary (talk) 21:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No need to share IP info.--Peterdownunder (talk) 05:46, 18 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Change that, it might not hurt to put the IP range on the project page.--Peterdownunder (talk) 05:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The only problem that usually pops up is stewards watching the creation of a number of accounts from the same IP. This, if it is not quickly noted as a school project, can be blocked as they are worried about spamming. If you follow the guidelines it should be Ok.--Peterdownunder (talk) 05:50, 18 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Got it, thanks!Castilibrary (talk) 16:42, 18 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hi Peterdownunder, I have two students who named accounts using their full names, though they were told not to. Are you able to help us change their usernames? They are user kayladrazan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Kayladrazan) and Charlotte_Macrae (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Charlotte_Macrae). They should be 20kdrazan1 and 20cmacrae1. If you are able to change these, I would be grateful. Castilibrary (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Will see what can be done.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
User name changes are now done globally, they will need to log on and fill in the form on this page. Special:GlobalRenameRequest Hiding your real name is an acceptable reason for such a change.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:20, 23 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, will get them on that! Thanks for your support today. Now I am on clean-up duty.Castilibrary (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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(talk page stalker) Hi, Peter. Are you going to actively check these articles, or just respond when asked for help? The reason I ask is that I see style, simplification, and other issues. If you're going to check them, then I'll leave them alone and let you communicate with the students and teacher. Thanks. --Auntof6 (talk) 16:08, 23 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Aunt, I will be checking and making suggestions over the next 24 hours, but please feel free to do so as well. This is all part of learning to work in a Wiki environment.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:15, 23 March 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you[change source]

BE 1500 maybe for Wikipedia:Neutral point of view? 108.73.114.185 (talk) 10:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

"Many" is on the 1500 list, I missed that. I was checking the BE 850.--Peterdownunder (talk) 10:15, 28 July 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Ogden & Basic English[change source]

Ogden was a very strange man, and quite a few of his decisions about Basic English were not rational. Anyway, "many" is a Basic word at the 1500 level, even if we don't list it on our page. It's one of the most common adjectives in English! Oh, sorry, in modern speak it's a determiner...

Many ranks 108 in English word count; most is 95 (!); few is 492. [3]. They are words which are absolutely essential for readers of English. One problem with circumlocutions is that they are inexact. Is "plenty of" or "lots of" many or most? Also, idioms are less likely to be covered in the small dictionaries that learners of a language often use. Macdonald-ross (talk) 13:25, 28 July 2015 (UTC) [written before reading the above]Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) I never start with just the BE 850 list. And I'm not really shy about using VOA, either. StevenJ81 (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My contributions[change source]

I have to go now but could you look over my new contributions thanks. --Softstarrs23 (talk) 01:55, 3 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I have left some comments on your talk page.--Peterdownunder (talk) 02:09, 3 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Mentorship[change source]

In your Simple Talk comments, I see that you are willing to be my mentor. I hope that you will do that with me. I will let you know when I have an article in user space that I have ready for your review. Thank you very much. Racepacket (talk) 09:34, 11 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Looking forward to working with you.--Peterdownunder (talk) 11:44, 14 August 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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Wild Blocks 1[change source]

is a vandal please block. thank you. --Fdena (talk) 23:37, 22 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi!

I'm hoping you can point me in the right direction. I have been working on some edits to a page, but another user is reverting the edits in a manner which i believe to be indicative of profound institutional racism. I made comments on the talk page to this effect, but the page was reverted anyway. I do not feel i have the technical expertise to effectively combat this, but it disappoints me to see this type of activity on Wikipedia, and I would like to pursue this in the most appropriate way possible. Can you advise me on what I should do?

Thank you so much!

Evanclifthorne (talk) 17:30, 28 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for your query, but the article in question is on the English Wikipedia - this wiki is the Simple English Wikipedia. We are a different group and are not able to help. Try contacting an administrator on the English Wikipedia for help.--Peterdownunder (talk) 02:03, 29 September 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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 Done--Peterdownunder (talk) 10:59, 16 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you for catching my grammar error ... at least I wasn't the only one[change source]

Milk glass.jpg Mmm - Milk!
A tall, cool glass of milk just for you! Milk somehow promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a glass of milk, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Stewi101015 (talk) 03:49, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is a really common error, I do it too. Every few weeks I go looking for it and fix them up. Thanks for the milk :).--Peterdownunder (talk) 05:52, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I am glad you like the milk. :P You don't like cookies? Stewi101015 (talk) 05:55, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Watching the calories :( --Peterdownunder (talk) 05:56, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your advice[change source]

This user Richard Arthur Norton is just deleting articles because they are just "ordinary". That's not a legitimate reason though. I dont know what to do. I'm scared that this user is just going to delete all of the articles because of them being "ordinary". --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

(talk page stalker) What he means by that is that they don't show notability. He hasn't QD'd very many so far, as far as I've seen. You can count on the admins to evaluate each one before deleting. I think we do have a lot of articles that don't show notability, so this isn't necessarily a bad thing. If you see one tagged and you want to save it, just put a {{wait}} tag on it. --Auntof6 (talk) 21:51, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
True. But isn't that the point of Simple English. Not copying English articles even though the outcome might be shorter than expectations with one or two refs. Just to be safe, I think he should thoroughly know the requirements of what's notable and not (for all we know he could just justify his actions because he is known world known). --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 23:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm not sure I understand your point, especially what you put in parentheses at the end. Articles need to show notability according to Wikipedia's guidelines on notability. An article of one sentence can show notability (especially with geographical places that only need to exist to be considered notable), and a ten-page article can fail to show notability. References do not guarantee notability (such as when they're used to support non-notable facts), and lack of references doesn't mean a topic isn't notable. The QD option related to notability requires a claim of notability, but it doesn't require that the claim be supported with references. If someone thinks the claim isn't true, it can be challenged. I'm not sure any if that answers your point. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:11, 20 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think Richard has made a valid point, that notability does not mean superlative. So the ordinary can, and does quite often, meet our notability guidelines. --Peterdownunder (talk) 03:49, 21 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Just to say that it was a copyright violation.[4] I've deleted it at en.wiki. Doug Weller (talk) 13:53, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks for that, I thought it must have come from somewhere, but it was so badly written.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:52, 22 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Fog Score?[change source]

What is a "Fog Score", from User:Peterdownunder#Readability? Stewi101015 (talk) 23:28, 24 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It is one of a number of methods to check how simple an article is to read. I aim for 8. But like all of these tools, they do have problems - you can write rubbish and a still get a good score. So remember it is just a tool. Read more here: Wikipedia or here Fog index --Peterdownunder (talk) 23:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Interesting! Would you like some more {{milk}} or do you have enough? :P Stewi101015 (talk) 02:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Wine perhaps? :) --Peterdownunder (talk) 03:52, 25 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is this fine 2001 ...
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Could I interest you in some WikiBeer?
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Stewi101015 (talk) 05:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Most excellent!--Peterdownunder (talk) 07:39, 25 October 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

hey what thing were i advertising?[change source]

hey what thing were i advertising?

You are a oversight[change source]

so please suppress the Robert baker revision it is highly offense Krett12 (talk) 21:53, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thank you. Too bad there are 5 vandals and just us 2. Krett12 (talk) 21:54, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
We are stronger than them!--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:56, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I guess we are, but that doesn't stop them from trying to make us think otherwise. Krett12 (talk) 22:01, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Do something, this is important[change source]

64.107.219.82 just tried to reset my password. I'm gonna tell him not to, but I don't really know what to do besides that. Krett12 (talk) 23:39, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You can just ignore/delete those emails (sorry to butt in, Peter). This guy does that to everyone who "crosses" him. Antandrus (talk) 23:52, 24 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Where can I talk to you in private?[change source]

I need to request a CU, but it would be pointless if I discuss it in public. Do you check the email on your account? Krett12 (talk) 03:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sure do. Send me the details by email.--Peterdownunder (talk) 04:09, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Done, but I forgot to sign it. My email contains my username so you will know it is me. Krett12 (talk) 05:27, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, it turns out it was already dealt with, so just ignore it. Krett12 (talk) 05:28, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Instituto de Ensino Teologico Bíblico do Brasil[change source]

Please see if my edit was vandalism.

Thank you Radagastor (talk) 11:18, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No it was not, making a genuine QD request is not regarded as vandalism. The article is now listed for an rfd discussion through our processes, so the new QD note is not needed. --Peterdownunder (talk) 11:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

127.0.0.1[change source]

If edits by that user are done on the server machine, then why did it vandalize? Krett12 (talk) 06:11, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Don't know.--Peterdownunder (talk) 12:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Pretty quiet[change source]

so please check if I Love Bridges has made any new socks--I have a hard time washing them myself so I need to ask you. Krett12 (talk) 04:27, 3 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I notice you're an oboe player. So I'm curious: Why does the oboe get the privilege of tuning the orchestra? StevenJ81 (talk) 14:04, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's a good question. Without checking any references, it is probably because the oboe is the least tunable of all the instruments. All other instruments can be easily adjusted to make them sharper of flatter, for example a flute headjoint can be rolled in or out, and a violin string can be tightened or loosened. An oboe reed can be slightly adjusted by pulling it slightly out of the top joint to make the instrument flatter, but there is little leeway for this. The way you set your lips (embouchure) does most of the work. You need to have a good sense of pitch and you really need to have made or purchased a reed that plays in tune. Secondly, the oboe's rather strident tone means that it can cut through - other members of the orchestra can easily hear it and make the necessary adjustments during the tuning. Hope that gives some insights into your question.--Peterdownunder (talk) 21:17, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It does. Thanks. I rather suspected both of those things. Of course, when a piano is in the orchestra, I know the oboe takes its pitch from the piano, but in that case I imagine the lead-chair oboe and the pianist work it out ahead of time. StevenJ81 (talk) 21:52, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The oboe player is expected to play at the correct pitch (here it is A=440). I carry a tuning fork to check before providing pitch to others. You would expect the piano to be tuned to that standard as well. Taking pitch from the piano is really just a micro adjustment to double check.--Peterdownunder (talk) 22:07, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
From the Groves Dictionary of Music: "The tradition of tuning to the oboe is documented from the beginning of the 19th century. According to Vogt and Fétis (Manuel des compositeurs, Paris, 1837, p.117), the narrow bore of the oboe made it less susceptible than other wind instruments to pitch variation caused by temperature fluctuations." --Peterdownunder (talk) 22:28, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]
 (change conflict) You would expect that, of course. And in the hall of a serious, professional orchestra, there's going to be a piano-tuning kit and someone who knows how to use it on hand. But if you're at the local primary school, and the piano has drifted down to A4=438 since its last proper tuning (or because of temperature or whatever), you're the one who's going to have to adjust, no?
And thanks for the source! StevenJ81 (talk) 22:31, 8 December 2015 (UTC)Reply[reply]