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New templates[change source]

Hi, Queenslander. Thanks for the templates you have created here. It looks like you copied at least some of them from English Wikipedia. When you do that, please be sure to bring the documentation pages over also. If it makes it easier for you, you can ask an admin to import any templates and/or doc pages you want over here. Thanks! -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, will do. QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:57, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

August 2023[change source]

Hello! Thank you for creating Category:Constituencies of India. However, we normally need at least three pages in a category before it is created. Because categories are a way to group together similar articles, there is no need to create a new category for just one or two articles. If you think there might be more pages to add to the new category, please add them now. Thank you. MathXplore (talk) 05:01, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Queenslander. Thanks for creating this article. It looks like you might have based the article on English Wikipedia's copy. When you do that, please remember the following:

  • Give attribution so that there is a record that the article was copied from somewhere else. You can read about this at WP:Transwiki attribution.
  • Look at the references to see if any are broken. If so, you need to copy the reference from the original article. This article has a broken reference and a broken note. You can read about this at Wikipedia:How to copy from another Wikipedia.

Thanks. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:25, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Only the infobox is copied from enwiki. QLDer in NSW (talk) 02:39, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe that's where the broken reference and note are. Those still need to be fixed by finding where they are in the other article and copying them here. -- Auntof6 (talk) 02:44, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. If I notice any or add any more, I'll fix them. QLDer in NSW (talk) 02:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I think you may need to read this before making more categories. Thank you for your attention. MathXplore (talk) 11:31, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting me know. QLDer in NSW (talk) 11:36, 20 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can you tell me the difference between this category and Category:South African footballers? MathXplore (talk) 11:32, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing. I am moving all the pages in the old category to the former. As per enwiki policy and the common usage of soccer vs football in each country, the English Wikipedia explicitly specified that association football should be referred to as "soccer" in articles about Australia, Canada, South Africa and the United States (despite soccer also being the preferred terminology in some other countries e.g New Zealand, Papua New Guinea and the Pacific Islands; plus Nauruan articles use soccer to due to Australian rules football and Australian English vocabulary being so popular there thanks to Australian influence). A few weeks ago I also moved all the pages in Category:Australian footballers to Category:Australian soccer players. QLDer in NSW (talk) 11:36, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the information, can you give me the link to the related enwiki discussion? MathXplore (talk) 11:38, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sure.
QLDer in NSW (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please think about slowing down and making useful articles[change source]

Barely minimal stubs such as Namur (Chamber of Representatives constituency) and Luxembourg (Chamber of Representatives constituency) without much text or context are just not useful to readers. They must click through to EnWP or another language to get any meaningful information. Rather than creating hundreds of such "articles" please consider slowing down and writing simple article texts for each. It would be a good idea to go back and start filling in the many such entries you have created before bulk adding more. Thank you, --Gotanda (talk) 12:54, 25 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I'll add election results to the ones that don't have them yet. I'm currently busy but I can do it later. QLDer in NSW (talk) 07:58, 26 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see you had time to add a handful more such as [Antwerp (Flemish Parliament constituency) https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antwerp_(Flemish_Parliament_constituency)&oldid=9029171] with completely meaningless undated and unsourced election results before going back to fix the old ones. Please stop making so many of these new ones until you fix the old ones. --Gotanda (talk) 03:56, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They are all from 2019. I will try to add the old results if I can find them. If not then I'll add a list of members instead. I'll be back this afternoon. QLDer in NSW (talk) 04:01, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please make sure that all content is simple and referenced. Then, go back and do the same for the previous articles. Bot or bot-like bulk creation of articles is discouraged on this wiki. Articles should have some useful content. Please do not make any more new articles until you have fixed the old ones. --Gotanda (talk) 04:10, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please use your article list to go back and correct the 300 or more stubs you have rapidly added. For example: Central Honiara constituency, East ꞌAreꞌare constituency, North New Georgia constituency and all of the rest. Thank you, --Gotanda (talk) 12:30, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'll fix most of them. Some I may be unable to but for most I should. QLDer in NSW (talk) 00:56, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When in a hole, please stop digging. You are adding more, new, unsourced stubs such as Belgian Eifel and Land of Eupen, but still have many articles which are problems which I have already pointed out. See Limburg (Flemish Parliament constituency) and Flemish_Brabant_(Chamber_of_Representatives_constituency) as just two examples. Moving too fast and creating hundreds of low quality stubs creates a kind of technical debt: other editors will have to spend time either fixing or deleting your edits. Please go back to the beginning and improve your articles. --Gotanda (talk) 12:30, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've done the best I can. I don't know what else you want me to do. It seems like you're asking me to stop editing altogether. The Limburg article has sources. I have added content and sources to most of the other articles I've made. All you seem to be doing is trying to make me not want to contribute because my good edits are somehow bad. We don't need them to have a million words and a million different sources. I am not "digging a hole" as you say, I'm building up. I will add sources to the two articles you mentioned, but keep in mind I will add new articles too and they will be sourced. I hope for the Simple English Wikipedia to one day be a bigger wiki.
Thanks for the help though. QLDer in NSW (talk) 04:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"I don't know what else you want me to do. It seems like you're asking me to stop editing altogether." No. I am asking you to edit more constructively by going back and filling in more complete, useful, and referenced information which follows the guidelines and manual of style here. --Gotanda (talk) 12:33, 30 August 2023 (UTC).[reply]
Which I'm doing. QLDer in NSW (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is just one of many that is still not fixed.Limburg (Flemish Parliament constituency). You seem to mass created stubs with blank sections or bits and pieces to be filled in or explained later. That is not working as well as intended. Rather than continuing to mass-create stubs with problems, please take some time to fix the ones you have already moved on from. --Gotanda (talk) 04:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's been a week with no fixes, so cleaned that one up. Others remain to be fixed. --Gotanda (talk) 21:57, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Manual of style[change source]

Please follow the manual of style. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Writing precisely, "Avoid words and statements that indicate vague time or will quickly go out of date (unless their meaning is made clear by the rest of the sentence or paragraph). " Adding "to present" is not correct. The pages are unlikely to be consistently updated at every election. See Antwerp (Chamber of Representatives constituency) and other recently with the election returns, "Representatives of Antwerp (2003–present) and remove "-present." You can replace with the end of the term if a fixed term chamber or just Elected 2003). All fo these need to be fixed, please. It is especially important to write simply and follow the manual of style when bulk creating stubs because otherwise it makes hous and hours of work for someone else to do. Please consider adding more substantial information about each of these stubs. Thank you. --Gotanda (talk) 12:24, 28 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can update them after every election. But I do get your point; so I'll remove the text in brackets. QLDer in NSW (talk) 00:55, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is not my point, it is the manual of style for this wiki. Editors may intend to update, but often this does not happen. Which is OK. It is not reasonable to expect one person to maintain articles. --Gotanda (talk) 12:23, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well other people can help. But I can update them. I have an electoral calendar for all Australian federal/state/general/local/elections and by-elections and for all NZ general/local elections and by-elections, for example. Plus for other countries I can update them when I find out about any updates. QLDer in NSW (talk) 04:37, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Based upon past experience on this wiki, it is unlikely that another editor will have the same level of interest for these topics to help update them. We have thousands of out-of-date abandoned stubs where one editor has great enthusiasm for a topic, bulk creates (minimal) stubs, then they sit. It is far more constructive to create fewer articiles, but with somewhat more depth. --Gotanda (talk) 12:17, 30 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

September 2023[change source]

Welcome to Wikipedia. Thank you for undoing your recent test with the page "Electoral district of Bundaberg". Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about changing our encyclopedia. In the future, please do not make tests on article pages; instead, use the sandbox. Thank you. MathXplore (talk) 07:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. QLDer in NSW (talk) 00:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Complex copy[change source]

The notes section of recent articles is complex. When bulk-creating massive numbers of stubs, it is a good opportunity to make sure the language is simple before repeating over and over again. See here as an aexample: Tukituki (New Zealand electorate)


This is a word-for-word copy. It is complex. This is against the purpose of this wiki and is generally a criteria for quick deletion:

Blue background denotes the winner of the electorate vote.

Pink background denotes a candidate elected from their party list.

Yellow background denotes an electorate win by a list member, or other incumbent.

A  or  denotes status of any incumbent, win or lose respectively.

It would be a good idea to create a simple notes text to replace this everywhere you have copied and pasted it. --Gotanda (talk) 04:00, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reminding me. I do recall once thinking "Shouldn't these be simplified?" but I then thought "Meh, I'll do it later." I'll fix the template though. Does this work?:
  • A blue background represents the winner of the electorate vote
  • A pink background represents a candidate elected from their party list
  • A yellow background represents an electorate win by an incumbent list member or another incumbent
QLDer in NSW (talk) 06:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. And by the way, it was a template not a table. QLDer in NSW (talk) 06:16, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Still complex. Represents, "party list" as a concept, and the respectively construction. If this is going to be present on hundreds of stubs, it should be simple. --Gotanda (talk) 04:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
How could it be improved? The term "party list" is the correct term. QLDer in NSW (talk) 05:05, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Party list" is correct, but is political jargon specific to certain electoral systems. It needs to a simplified gloss and/or a link to an article or section of an article which explains it simply. Represents and respectively just need basic simplification. These are the writing skills editors need to develop for this wiki. But I will note that it appears you have added about a dozen new articles or templates just on the 12th of September. Please return to your early efforts to make them simple and clean up issues such as blank sections and confusing info without dates or simple explanations. --Gotanda (talk) 19:56, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe have a try at creating a simple explanation article for party list which is red linked in the box.
Also, in the, "Meh, I'll do it later." category, there are a bunch of your older stubs which have problems. Loads of sports BLPs with no sources and lots of constituencies. For starters, these had blank elections boxes and cited Facebook as a source. Seems like you are gearing up to roll out dozens of stubs for Spain constituencies. Please make them a bit better if you are going to bulk edit, but it would really be great if you would go back and clean up the old mess first.
There are more. Thanks, --Gotanda (talk) 00:28, 29 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Will do soon. I will do those before the Spanish ones. QLDer in NSW (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm on holidays though so let me take my time. QLDer in NSW (talk) 21:55, 30 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good to hear that you will go back and fix your previous unfinished bulk stubs before going ahead. Just randomly clicking around, I found and tagged a lot more, but not all. That is kind of a waste of time. Suggest going all the way back to the beginning at https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/simple.wikipedia.org/QLDer%20in%20NSW to clean them all up. --Gotanda (talk) 02:50, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See that you bypassed Spain but instead decided to bulk create a bunch of copies/stubs in California instead. Thought you had agreed to go back and clean up the first round of stubs you had started. Also, see "current" "currently" which we have already discussed. Creating lots of new pages is fun, but fixing up your previous entries can create a lot of useful pages. Please see https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/simple.wikipedia.org/QLDer%20in%20NSW and start at the beginning. That would add value to the wiki. --Gotanda (talk) 11:40, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
School's back now and the source for the Vanuatu articles is a Facebook post from the Electoral Commission. Facebook is blocked at school unless I use a VPN which would disable Wikipedia editing, so I'll have to do that at home when I have time. Furthermore, I didn't "bulk create" any California articles, I made one list and a template then edited the existing ones. And Spain will still be next. Don't rush me. QLDer in NSW (talk) 22:08, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not rushing you to create Spain articles. If anything, I have been requesting you slow down and return to the previous bulk created stubs such as, for example:
Thank you for your clean up on these, and others. --Gotanda (talk) 23:33, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You wrote, "I will do those before the Spanish ones." but I see you've decided to go ahead and make more stubs for Spain instead of going back to fix up the dozens of stubs you partially created that in your own words, "Meh, I'll do it later." still need fixing. --Gotanda (talk) 09:08, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Two articles that seem the same[change source]

I notice that we have List of national football teams and List of men's national association football teams, which seem to be the same thing. Are you interested in trying to merge them, or redirect one to the other? Kk.urban (talk) 04:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can't merge or delete pages. I can move them, but not delete or merge. However, I do agree that the content is exactly the same. The English Wikipedia uses the latter title for the list article (i.e describing the soccer/football teams as "men's/women's association football teams). However, the English Wikipedia generally describes a men's national soccer team as a "national football team" and a women's national soccer team as a "women's national football team". However, it uses "men's national soccer team" for the United States men's national soccer team, the Canada men's national soccer team and the Australia men's national soccer team (because "soccer" is the preferred terminology in those countries, plus the US and Canada have been much more successful in international women's soccer than in international men's soccer; in Australia the men's (Socceroos) and women's (Matildas) teams have both seen success and made it past group stage at the last Men's and Women's World Cups and they consistently make the FIFA Men's and Women's World Cups, however the Matildas made it to 4th place at the most recent World Cup) and the South African men's and women's soccer team articles call it "soccer", as do the Nauruan and Niuean articles. Here on the Simple English Wikipedia it is almost identical to the English Wikipedia's guidelines, except that the Papua New Guinean national soccer team articles use "soccer" here but "football" on enwiki (I did this voluntarily because soccer is the official terminology by PNG's top league, but not by PNG's governing body for soccer). I'm Australian so I say "soccer". QLDer in NSW (talk) 05:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the second title is probably better. Do you want to make any edits to the second list based on the first list, or should I just redirect the first list to the second? We can also move the first list to the second title if we ask an admin, so let me know if you think the first one is better. Kk.urban (talk) 05:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the second title too. Given that the first one doesn't have "association" in the title, we could make that a list of lists because a reader might be referring to either soccer, rugby, American football or Australian rules, however soccer would be the most likely. QLDer in NSW (talk) 05:14, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's unlikely. As far as I know, rugby is usually called rugby, and how many countries have national American or Australian football teams? Kk.urban (talk) 05:19, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Several. And in Australia, "rugby" is often called "football" or "footy", same goes for Australian rules which can be called "Aussie rules", "AFL" (after the Australian Football League), "football" or "footy". In Australia, "(association) football" is "soccer". So Australian editors may confuse it with rugby, which is indeed a code of football. QLDer in NSW (talk) 05:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Good to know. You can edit List of national football teams (currently a redirect) and create more lists if you think it would be helpful. Kk.urban (talk) 05:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

At simplewiki, we are using settlements instead of populated places, please use "settlements" when making categories like these. Thank you for your attention. MathXplore (talk) 05:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. QLDer in NSW (talk) 00:40, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Broken images[change source]

Most often, commons does not have the crests you use on team infoboxes. The error is shown in the box themselves and it puts the article in an error category so others know that it needs fixed. When creating these article, could you check to make certain the images you tell it to use actually exist so no one has to follow behind you and clean them up? Pure Evil (talk) 21:00, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please clean up after yourself, QLDer. Blank sections, missing images, no refs. Rather than rapidly creating dozens or hundreds of very low information stubs, please go back and fix the messes you have left behind. Below are the most recent ten. There are many, many more.
See:
Go back to your article history and start at the beginning. --Gotanda (talk) 21:59, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
8 of those popped up in error categories so I took care of the dead images there... doubt anyone else would have. Pure Evil (talk) 00:19, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that is the point. Creating lots of broken or borderline useless posts just creates more work for others which is unlikely to ever be done. Putting some effort into two or three decent stubs instead of a dozen halfway started stubs would be helpful. --Gotanda (talk) 02:00, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum[change source]

2023 Australian Indigenous Voice referendum is woefully out of date. It is also very complex. Please either fix it or delete sections. It would be great if we had a decent article on this, but it requires work, not just set up and forget it. --Gotanda (talk) 02:08, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Will do when counting is complete. QLDer in NSW (talk) 02:38, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Cleared out the out of date and complex sections. Ready for a simple article expansion. --Gotanda (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay thanks. QLDer in NSW (talk) 00:54, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

California State Assembly districts[change source]

California State Assembly districts appears to be a copy-paste excerpt from EnWP without attribution. In addition, your self-described, 'but I then thought "Meh, I'll do it later."' strategy is not working because you frequently never actually do do it later. Please stop. Copy paste excerpts from EnWP and half-filled in stubs with low information are not really helping anything here. You still haven't fixed ones from August such as https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antwerp_(Flemish_Parliament_constituency)&action=history. --Gotanda (talk) 01:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I must've forgotten. Anyway, as a student I can't always be on Wikipedia as I have other things to do at school and home. I mostly edit at school when I have spare time. QLDer in NSW (talk) 02:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Furthermore they aren't exactly copies from enwiki. QLDer in NSW (talk) 02:42, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You keep forgetting. And, California State Assembly districts is a direct copy and paste from EnWP without attribution. --Gotanda (talk) 23:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

More forgotten stubs[change source]

Here are some more:

You really need to go through your own article creation list from the start. And, in the future, bulk creation is not really the way to go. It isn't a race or a contest. At least make a decent stub when creating one, please, instead of leaving messes for others to fix later. It brings down the quality of the wiki in exchange for quantity. --Gotanda (talk) 22:33, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I see that you have gone ahead and created a bunch of questionable redirects instead of fixing the problems you have created. Please go back and clean up your mess instead of creating more. --Gotanda (talk) 22:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you tried to fix Ambae constituency, but it is still a mess. Every candidate is numbered 1 except for Alban Garae. Two candidates, Jay Ngwele Alban Garae are in the top box with the same number of votes. Or, maybe this is a party vote with two candidates on the list? Whatever. It is not clear. There is no explanation. This article and all of the others need the appropriate stub template added as well. Area in the infobox is wrong. No area is given, but a province name instead? The cited ref gives the number of registered voters, not the population as you have written it. Try again, or stop. --Gotanda (talk) 23:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see that you are back to minor stub creation (and continuing to add irrelevant information) instead of cleaning up your past mess. You need to go to your article history and start at the very beginning. The third article you created needs clean up. Here is a short list, but then use the article history and check all 600 plus of your mostly bulk created stubs. You have blank sections all over the place which you left "for later". Later is now.
These are just some. There are dozens more.
Central Kwara'ae constituency
North East Guadalcanal constituency
Central Honiara constituency
Central Guadalcanal constituency
Baegu/Asifola constituency
Shortlands constituency
Aoke/Langalanga constituency
Western Province (Solomon Islands)
Rennell and Bellona Province
Malaita Province
Makira-Ulawa Province
Isabel Province
Guadalcanal Province
Choiseul Province
You may be blocked if you just keep on creating more without fixing the problems you create. --Gotanda (talk) 22:25, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah I'll fix that. No it's not a party vote it's like a combined total. Each candidate got a different vote total. QLDer in NSW (talk) 23:07, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Deleted all of the Ambae electoral results. Do not post faulty electoral data which you intend to (maybe someday) fix later. --Gotanda (talk) 03:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
What should I do then? Would you like me to put each candidate separately? QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Edit: I've worked out why some of these problems have occurred and it's because of the template.
The "region" parameter is shown as "area". I'll fix that on the template page.
I'll remove the "population" data from the articles as I can add this into the election results. QLDer in NSW (talk) 03:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

November 2023[change source]

Please do not add wrong information into articles. Your changes appear to be vandalism and have been reverted. If you believe the information you added was correct, please provide a source for your information or discuss the changes on the article's talk page before making them again. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. Again, on multiple articles, you have added images that do not exist. This needs to stop. Why do you expect others to clean up your bad edits over and over? Pure Evil (talk) 04:51, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the continued rapid creation of articles for others to fix is not contributing to the wiki. You have been given very clear guidance in how to fix this, but have ignored it. It may be time for a break. --Gotanda (talk) 22:17, 7 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your disruptive changing. If you continue to vandalize pages by adding wrong information on purpose, you may be blocked from changing pages on Wikipedia. More images that do not exist being added to pages. More work made for others to clean up your bad actions... Pure Evil (talk) 00:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Thank you for creating Category:State legislative districts of the United States. However, we normally need at least three pages in a category before it is created. Because categories are a way to group together similar articles, there is no need to create a new category for just one or two articles. If you think there might be more pages to add to the new category, please add them now. Thank you. MathXplore (talk) 06:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New stub types[change source]

Hi, QLDer. You might not have known, but on this wiki, new stub types must be approved at Wikipedia talk:Simple Stub Project before being used. You created a template and category for Australia stubs, but that type has not been approved so I removed it. Please do not use it again unless it gets approved. Thanks. -- Auntof6 (talk) 01:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Didn't realise, sorry. Thanks for letting me know. QLDer in NSW (talk) 01:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Football stub problems[change source]

I see that you are back to bulk creation leaving stuff to be done later.

Just for a start, these all need fixing:

Blank reference sections. No references. Often more complex than the EnWP versions. Use short, simple, subject-object-verb sentences. You should not be creating more until you go back and clean up after yourself. --Gotanda (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have asked the admins to review your edits[change source]

There is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Edits by QLDer in NSW. --Gotanda (talk) 00:55, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]