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We like and strongly encourage helpful changes to Wikipedia, but an article you created was directly copied and pasted from the main English Wikipedia. Please do not do that. Such articles are usually too complex and may have templates that do not exist here. Thank you. Osiris (talk) 06:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Categories

Hi, TDKR Chicago 101. Thanks for your new article, R. G. Armstrong. Thanks especially for including a reference and categories -- many new articles don't have those. I would like to mention that the article had some categories that duplicated others. In particular:

  • The category Television actors wasn't needed, because American television actors was there.
  • The People from Alabama, People from California, and American actors categories weren't needed, because the categories Actors from Alabama and Actors from California were already there.

I removed the categories that weren't needed. Do you understand the reason? All American television actors are also television actors. All actors from a given state are also people from that state. All actors from any of the US states are also American actors. If this doesn't make sense, feel free to ask me to explain better. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again. Did you have trouble understanding what I wrote above? I see you're still putting duplicate categories on articles. For example, Bernard Fox had British movie actors, British television actors, English movie actors, and English television actors. The English categories are already under the British categories, so you don't need both. Please let me know if this isn't clear. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:37, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm seeing this again on some of your new articles. For example, you had Patrick Leahy in both Category:American politicians and Category:Politicians from Vermont. All politicians from Vermont are American politicians, so you only need the narrower category. --Auntof6 (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quick deletion of Alexander Haig

The page you wrote, Alexander Haig, has been selected for quick deletion. This is because the page was copied from another Wikipedia. If you think this page should be kept, please add {{wait}} below the line {{QD}} and say why on the talk page. If the page is already gone, but you think this was an error, you can ask for it to be undeleted. Auntof6 (talk) 05:55, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, again, TDKR. Thanks for simplifying the article on Alexander Haig. The issue was that the parts of the article that were there were pretty much the same as parts of the article on English Wikipedia. That issue still exists with the part that you left. Could you make the language simpler? Not shorter, but simpler. For example, use shorter words and shorter sentences.
By the way, you are not supposed to remove deletion tags from articles that you wrote. I'm not going to put the tag back right now, but I will keep an eye on the article to see how you do with simplifying it. Please feel free to ask if you'd like help with that! --Auntof6 (talk) 09:24, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please simplify, don't just copy

I looked at the new article George_Lindsey you created. Each sentence is a word for word copy from English Wikipedia. Words and phrases such as "subsequent tenure", "slow-witted but kindly", "role" and, "antics" are not simple. It isn't enough to just select a few sentences and make the article shorter, we have to write simply on this wiki. Please read and follow the instructions at Wikipedia:How_to_write_Simple_English_pages. Also, you must give attribution when copying from another wikipedia. I have marked the page for Quick Deletion, but you can recreate it if it is deleted. Thanks, Gotanda (talk) 09:26, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Likewise Alexander Haig and Dennis Weaver. Gotanda (talk) 09:30, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Update 2: Actually, it looks like every new page you have created is basically just a copy and paste of the lede from English Wikipedia, plus a copy of one or two sentences from later in the article. I've nominated several more for quick deletion as well. Since they are just copies from En, they can easily be recreated and simplified at any time. Gotanda (talk) 09:51, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I see that you made George_Lindsey shorter, but there are still three problems. 1) Every sentence is still just a word-for-word copy and paste from the English Wikipedia page. We shouldn't do that here. You have made the article shorter, but not simpler. 2) You have to give attribution on the article Talk page when using another wikipedia as the base for your article. 3) Do not just remove Quick Deletion templates. Auntof6 has also told you about this. Thanks, Gotanda (talk) 21:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pat Quinn is now marked for deletion for the same reason. Every sentence is just a copy and paste from English Wikipedia (except you rearranged a few words at the end of the first paragraph). Also, you have to give credit to English Wikipedia. This is called attribution. It tells the reader where you got the information in the first place. It gives credit to the authors on English Wikipedia. Gotanda (talk) 21:57, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm trying to work through your articles to give you examples of how to simplify. Please don't just delete everything out. That is an option certainly, but better to keep as much information as we can. The infoboxes are generally already simple so those don't need to come out. I copy stuff from enwp all the time. I just pick out the facts, and only pull over as much as I can simplify. Please take a look at Nipsey Russell and Kurt Kasznar. Go to View History and Compare Selected Revisions between your version and mine. Hopefully that will give you a good idea of what they are talking about above. I'm not an expert at simplifying so they may have ideas of someone else's work you could look at as well. Let me know if I can help with anything. --Tbennert (talk) 22:27, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comments on Romney

Hello, I have made some changes to the Mitt Romney article. First, I have removed his religious affiliation. In an article that is basically a stub, ther is no need to declare he is Mormon; first and foremost he is a businessman. Secondly, I have tried to get rid of the 'presumptive candidate'. This is Simple English Wikipedia, and 'presumptive' is probably not one of those words you use often. Third, a sentence that goes 'He is a Mormon and may become President in the election this year.' is just bad style; the first part has nothing to do with the second part, so use two sentences. If you wamt to bring in religion again, please do so in a section about his private life, or similar. --Eptalon (talk) 19:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

sorry; the comment does not apply. never mind. :) --Eptalon (talk) 20:20, 27 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pat Quinn

Looks like Gotanda placed a request for deletion on this page. He is right that the page has not been simplified enough. It's great that you are bringing articles over. In order for them to be kept it's super important that they be simplified. This includes making smaller sentences, using easier to understand words or explaining words as needed. Even though you only brought a small amount of this article over, there is too much detail. For instance the whole school bit is too much. Avoid things that might be confusing for a non-American. I try to write as if it is for a 10 year old. So things like Illinois Treasurer and Lieutenant Governor they just wouldn't get. Doesn't hurt anything to leave that part out. Actually it helps make the article more simple, which is the entire objective of this wikipedia.

I'm going to add some of the elements you brought in to the first Pat Quinn article. Sometimes we have the extra (politician) or whatever and sometimes we make the article without. There are advantages and disadvantages to both. If it ever happens again, and it may well, we just combine things under the better title and then create a Redirect page out of the other. I've done it several times.

Thanks again for contributing. Keep in mind that this is Simple so your articles can be kept. Look at some examples, ask for help when you need and keep trying. Thanks - --Tbennert (talk) 04:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are you working on this page? Or should I just delete it? I can move it to your userspace if you like...? Osiris (talk) 04:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrights

Hi TDKR. There's another pressing issue I need to bring up with you. You're obviously using material from the English Wikipedia, which is fine -- but since the work is not exclusively your own, you need to give some form of credit (attribution) to the authors of the original material.

There are pages that explain to you how to do this properly here and here. And you can see some examples of how it can be done here and here. I need you to do this on every article in which you've used material from another wiki. You've created 160 pages as of this datestamp, I'm not sure how many of those this applies to. But it also applies to any articles that already existed if you added chunks of material you didn't write yourself...

I know this may take a while, you can take your time with it. But it's important, and it needs to be done from now on. If you have any questions, please ask me. Tbennert will be able to help you wrap your head around it as well. Osiris (talk) 05:06, 29 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

TDKR, please pay attention to Osiris' note to you. You just created Deep Roy and it appears to be based upon the English Wikipedia article. You really do have to give attribution. Please follow the links in Osiris' message before you create any more articles. Thanks, Gotanda (talk) 03:42, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And now Cesar Romero and Steven Franken. You really do need to give credit to English Wikipedia. You are creating a problem for this wiki and for other editors here. Please follow Osiris' hints or at some point you may not be allowed to create new articles here. This is important. Gotanda (talk) 21:29, 30 August 2012 (UTC) UPDATE: I replied to your question on my Talk page. Gotanda (talk) 21:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Where to find the permanent link button
Where to find the permanent link button

I've done an example on one of your articles -- Billy Zane. See the difference between our edit summaries here? Mine is just a copy of the URL where you got the material from. The most important bit is at the end of the URL, where it says oldid=510054405. This is the ID number for the specific version you took the content from.

You get this by clicking on the permanent link button on the left-hand side of your screen (it'll be under the "toolbox" section). Once you click it, the oldid number will appear at the end of the URL.

On the talk page, I left an attribution template by adding: {{based on|Billy Zane|oldid=510054405}}. You can also use {{enwp based|Billy Zane|version=510054405}}. The ID number is the same as the one in the URL.

You only have to do one of these things for each article. I just did both for a demonstration. Just make sure that the oldid is in the credit. You'll get the hang of it pretty easily. Osiris (talk) 05:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dom DeLuise

Hi TDKR, I see that you made another new biography article, Dom DeLuise, based on the English Wikipedia. You really do have to start giving attribution when you do this. Osiris has really tried to help you. I'm not sure what else we can do to help you do this correctly. His instructions were very clear. Is there a reason why you don't give credit to English Wikipedia? Do you have a question? Thanks, Gotanda (talk) 21:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reply from TDKR "Hi Gotanda, I created that page on July 27, 2012. I added a ref today September 3, 2012. This must be a misunderstanding. From TDKR Chicago 101."
I'm sorry. I saw the article as I was looking at New Changes. I did look at the history, but I missed the July 27 date. But, the article still needs attribution. You have added so many biographies without attribution to En Wikipedia, it might be a good idea to start adding attribution to your old articles at the same time as you add references. Thanks, Gotanda (talk) 03:30, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Reply from TDKR "Hi there, I have started to add refs. But in the summary section before I publish a article I put Thanks to the english wikipedia for helping me/guiding me to create this article. All credit goes the english wikiepedia. Can you help me do it your way, please write back. TDKR Chicago 101."
Read the notes from Osiris above about oldid numbers and the examples fro Billy Zane. I can't explain it any more simply than that. Osiris explained it well. Please follow his instructions. Gotanda (talk) 03:41, 4 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop

Please stop creating new articles based on English Wikipedia without giving proper attribution. Osiris has given you very clear instructions above about how to do this. Charlie Daniels, Michael Jeter and all of the other new pages you have created recently are a problem for this wiki. Gotanda (talk) 07:16, 5 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

To find the oldid follow these steps:
  1. On the left side of the screen where you see the picture of the globe and "Wikipedia" look at the words underneath and find the word "Toolbox"
  2. Click on the arrow/triangle next to Toolbox so more choices show up
  3. One of the choices is "Permanent Link". Click on it. (Osiris post above shows a picture of this)
  4. Click on your address bar at the top of the page, the one you type www.wikipedia.com to get to the website.
  5. It should jump to the end of the address, if not use your arrow key to move to the right
  6. There you will see "oldid=" and then a set of numbers. Those numbers are the one you need to enter

Let me know if this makes sense or if you have any other questions. Thanks --Tbennert (talk) 03:22, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The attribution you've done for Tony Scott, Michael Jeter and Charlie Daniels looks like you've got it figured out. --Tbennert (talk) 03:28, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you got the attribution right on those articles. Please continue. Thank you for trying to do this. It is a small thing, but it does really help. Gotanda (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
When you create the attibution, please remember to include the oldid parameter to show which version of the article you used. Your recent new articles don't seem to have that. --Auntof6 (talk) 05:41, 11 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thank you very much for the barnstar! It really made my day. I am more than happy to help out because I know you want to do good. Your heart is in the right place. Just had to get some of the technical parts down. --Tbennert (talk) 03:37, 8 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nice work

Intforce has given you some cookies! Now enjoy them!

Carry on! --intforce (talk) 21:19, 9 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation

Hi! Thanks for all your hard work; you have created well over 100 articles, approaching 200! However, I'm sure you've noticed that I've made some changes to your articles, mainly concerning capitalisation. Please note that only proper nouns should be capitalised (that also applies to headers) and that common nouns (anything that's not a proper noun) are lowercase. The word "website" for example, is a common noun. Thanks! -Mh7kJ (talk) 17:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your tireless work here. You've created more than 100 articles within very few days! Keep on, we need more editors like you. @intforce 17:31, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar

The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your Tireless work.You create articles in every hour and fix them very fast.Receptie123 (talk) 17:40, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Talkback

Hello, TDKR Chicago 101. You have new messages at Receptie123's talk page.
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Receptie123 (talk) 17:45, 12 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your biographical articles are looking really good these days!

Congratulations on creating so many new articles, and getting attribution and sources for them! I've needed to make the same changes to a lot of them, so I thought I'd mention those changes here to see if you can take care of them when you create the articles.

  • Most of the articles say something like "John Doe is an American..." (or British, or Canadian, or English, or whatever they are). When the word for the nationality (such as American, British, etc.) starts with a vowel sound, please use the word an. Otherwise, use the word a. I've changed quite a few of these:
is a [[United States|American]]
to these:
is an [[United States|American]]
  • When you write about the person's family, please note the following:
    • It is not correct English to say something like, "Smith is married to Mary Jones since 1977." Instead, use one of these:
  • Smith has been married to Mary Jones since 1977.
  • Smith is married to Mary Jones. They have been married since 1977.
  • When you write about how many children a couple has, it would be better to put that in a separate sentence to keep things simpler.

Feel free to ask if you have any questions about this, and congratulations again on all the good articles! --Auntof6 (talk) 12:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Looking over the articles, I would also add a couple other changes you may want to consider.

  1. Wiki-link the reasons for notability in the first line - ie. American (which you do link) movie, television, stage and voice actor (which you don't link).
  2. Split the opening sentence into two parts. Each article follows the same format: "Name" (birth-death) is a "nationality" "profession" who is known for "notable things". That should be two sentences, the known for part should be move to a separate sentence - "Name" (birth-death) is a "nationality" "profession". (S)He is known for "notable things".
  3. When you list the place of birth a sentence or two into the article, you list where and when they were born, but you just listed the date a line or two above it in the introduction sentence. You do not need the date a second time in such a small area. The location is enough. ("Smith was born in Los Angeles, California." is enough, you don't need "Smith was born on March 31, 2013 in Los Angeles, California." as you just said when he was born.

And A+ work on the categories. It's great to see them getting filled out both completely and properly :) --Creol(talk) 03:38, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi TDKR Chicago! I've changed your rights to a patroller, now your created pages are marked as patrolled automally. And thanks for creating those pages, your engagement is just amazing! Best wishes, --@intforce 11:45, 19 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Further explanation

I might not have explained enough above. When you give the name of someone's husband or wife, please use the correct verb tense:

  • If the two people are not married any more (for example, they divorced or one of them died):
Do not say: John married Mary from 1960 to 1977.
Say: John was married to Mary from 1960 to 1977. (or whatever the names and years are)
Do not say: John has been married to Mary from 1960 until his death.
Say: John was married to Mary from 1960 until his death.
  • If the two people are still married:
Do not say: John is married to Mary since 1960.
Say: John has been married to Mary since 1960.

You should also look at the comments made above by Creol. Use shorter sentences that say only one thing. For example, instead of "John was born in New York and studied at Grand University", say "John was born in New York. He studied at Grand University" -- two separate sentences. Let me know if this isn't clear enough. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 04:48, 9 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move

I saw you moved John Hurt to Mississippi John Hurt.I think his name only is supposed to be here.Not what he was known of .Better ask an admin.Regards,Reception123 / Receptie123 (talk) 06:27, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the move is appropriate for two reasons
  1. Per naming conventions dealing with redirects: "Redirects should always be from the less common name to the more common one used in English." His commonly used name is the one the article should be on. A set of examples of this which make it clear why this is done would be Norma Jean Mortenson, Marion Morrison and Curtis Jackson. While these names are more drastic shifts, they all follows the basic rule of "put the article where people are most likely to look for it."
  2. In the case of an article with multiple uses, per the 3rd entry on Wikipedia:Disambiguation, the main entry should get the page with links to the others. In this case, John Hurt (actor) should be moved to John Hurt with a link at the top for Mississippi John Hurt. As moving over a redirect takes a bit more power than the normal user (to prevent vandalism), it is often easier to redirect the main page (John Hurt) to the correct entry (John Hurt (actor) rather than getting help moving the page over redirect.
--Creol(talk) 09:53, 7 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Andy Samberg

Please be careful when choosing categories. You put Andy Samberg in Category:American rapists. I'm pretty sure you mean "rappers", not "rapists". "Rapists" are criminals who commit rape, which is a sexual assault. The category for rappers is called Category:American rap musicians. --Auntof6 (talk) 01:30, 12 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Simpler word for Chicago mayor articles

Thanks for all the new articles on mayors of Chicago! Would you mind saying that each person "was the mayor" instead of "served as mayor"? That would be simpler language. Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 02:32, 6 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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