User talk:Brian R Hunter

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Hello! I am assuming you have come over from the English Wikipedia, so you are probably familiar with the way this wiki works. I hope you like it here and decide to stay. Here are a few links to help you adjust:

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There is much to do here. For example, there are a lot of articles that do not exist yet, which you can bring over from the English Wikipedia and simplify. Do have a look around and see what you would like to do. Thank you for joining us, and please leave a message in Simple talk if you need help. Desertborn (talk) 01:09, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Desertborn: Thanks for the welcome message (and cookies), your assumption is correct and all is good so far. I have copied over my first article Aston University and spent a happy hour or three simplifying it, checking the references and reminiscing about my time there. I have left the bulk of the article as commented out text. I plan to work on this over the next days (or weeks?). As a side benefit, I also updated/corrected the source article on the english wikipedia.

Questions

Q1. Is there an easy way to get linked notifications? e.g. the main (complex) article gets an update, it can be reviewed and considered for inclusion on my simplified version and vv. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 01:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

You can add the page to your watchlist, which might send you an e-mail based on your preferences. I don't personally find watchlists to be helpful, but I know most people do so i recommend it if you want it. Computer Fizz (talk) 01:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: Thanks for the info. I know I can add pages to my watchlist within this wikipedia project. I use this as a mechanism to montor pages I create, especially during the initial stages where I am still actively working on the content. What would be useful (for me) would be a linked message (on the same list) for any change made to the equivalent page on the main english wikipedia. A sort of inter-wiki watchlist. This would facilitate keeping the two wikipedias in step, especially for current changeable information. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 02:01, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not aware of any feature to do an inter-wiki watchlist. But if anyone knows, it would be djsasso. @Djsasso: In ideas? Desertborn (talk) 12:52, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

There definitely isn't one within wikipedia to see all your watchlists from one location. I feel like at some point in time someone might have made a standalone tool to do that but I wouldn't know where to look for that. I bounce back and forth between wikis with a custom tab I add to the top of my page so I just end up looking at both watchlists separately. It is a perennial request I think en:Wikipedia:Global, cross-wiki, integrated or stacked watchlists. -DJSasso (talk) 15:31, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@DJSasso: thanks for the info and the link. I shall carry on the multi-tab multi-watchlist system for now. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 21:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Category

An article goes to the most specific relevant category. In the case of Aston, that is Category:Universities in England. Macdonald-ross (talk) 19:41, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

@Macdonald-ross:erm... no, in this case the Category:colleges and universities in England contains the sub-category Universities in England; an article can be a member of multiple categories. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 20:03, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

on second thoughts, you maybe right. I'll leave it as being a member of the universities category -- 21:01, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

complex?

the article you made seems too complex. just saying. what do you think? CarbosCruize (talk) 16:10, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Which article? Brian R Hunter (talk) 16:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

AutoIt CarbosCruize (talk) 16:19, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes it was... I took the first version of the page from english wikipedia... and have simplified it a little... feel free to simplify the english further. I plan to link to other wiki pages for any technical words that cannot easily be replaced. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 16:25, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

movie not film

The Simple Wikipedia always uses movie, not film. The reason for this is naming conventions and rules. Can you please change it to Shirley Valentine (movie)? Angela Maureen (talk) 00:01, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

if you can quote the WP that says that then I will. But I believe it follows the same policy as the english wikipedia. British english is used for british articles. Movie is a US term. Brian R Hunter (talk) 00:25, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I found the Wikipedia:Naming conventions page, which is not yet policy. It does not mention film vs movie. The general rule is to be consistent on a page; that is, use the same spelling variation. For example color or colour not a mix of both. The same principle would seem to apply to movie and film. redirects should be used for the variation so people can find the article. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 01:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

This is being debated at Wikipedia:Simple_talk#Using_the_term_movie_instead_of_film_--_when/where_was_this_decided? and Wikipedia:Simple_talk#Film_or_Movie_or_both_-_a_new_debate -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 15:09, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks...

...for the article on Pauline Collins. She's one of my favorite actresses. I think my favorite performance of hers is in City of Joy. --Auntof6 (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

My pleasure, she is indeed a great actress. I added her as a priority due to the red-links on the articles Shirley Valentine and Shirley Valentine (film). I have been adding articles linked (in some way) with Al Hunter Ashton a page I created on en.wikipedia. Having got to Willy Russell I seem to have opened a long list... -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 11:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Added City of Joy (movie). Looks a good film :) -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 12:34, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Tips

I have noticed you mention a few times you are just getting used to here. I am not sure if anyone has ever shown you this link that Auntof6 created to help en.wiki editors get used to the sometimes subtle differences to editing here. You might know most of them already, but figured I might let you know it existed in case you didn't. -DJSasso (talk) 15:01, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, it never hurts to have information. -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 15:03, 20 November 2019 (UTC)

Jimmy Nail needs simplification

Hi, I almost tagged the article for quick deletion, but then noticed you were the creator. It is substantially the same as the EnWP article and still needs a lot of simplification. It would be best to do that when creating the page. I hope you get a chance to work on the article more soon. --Gotanda (talk) 21:43, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

@Gotanda yes it has had a first pass; please feel free to assist -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 21:54, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

gave it a second pass, let me know what you would want changed - if you think it needs more -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 22:16, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Location of stub templates

Hello. I noticed on Non-volatile memory (diff) that you moved the stub template to the top of the page. Just so you know, stub templates should always go at the very bottom of the page. There is a nice listing of the proper order of things at en:MOS:ORDER. (Yes that's on enwiki, but when we don't have our own guidance on something we use the guidance on enwiki, per WP:FOLLOW). Desertborn (talk) 20:54, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

@Desertborn: ok, thanks for the heads-up (and for moving it back) -- Brian R Hunter (talk) 21:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Rolled back edit

Can I ask why you rolled back this edit on computer memory? It is the page corresponding to Category:Computer memory so it should be sorted to the top. Brantmeierz (talk) 07:25, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

@Brantmeierz: I fail to see what your edit changed. sorted to the top of what? Brian R Hunter (talk) 07:29, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Adding the vertical bar in the category like that moves that page to the top of the list within the category. For example, in Category:Computers the page Computer is the first entry in the list of pages (instead of being sorted alphabetically like the others) since it corresponds to the topic of the category. Brantmeierz (talk) 07:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

@Brantmeierz: It was by coincidence the first article in the category and it looked odd being the only non-alphabetised link. But it may not always be so I have put it back to your edit. Brian R Hunter (talk) 07:39, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. Thank you though, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page about it to avoid going back and forth with edits. Brantmeierz (talk) 07:42, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) FYI, use of a space as a sort key in this way is documented at Wikipedia:Categories#Special sorting, under "Special character sort keys". --Auntof6 (talk) 08:11, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

@Auntof6: Thanks for the link Brian R Hunter (talk) 10:36, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

May I also ask why you seem to interchange between [rollback (VANDAL)] and regular rollback? Not saying you've done anything wrong here, I'm just wondering or if there's something confused. Computer Fizz (talk) 23:31, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: It usually depends on how near my mouse is to the button... more seriously, just trying out the features... Does it cause anyone a problem? Brian R Hunter (talk) 00:17, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

No, it's not a problem at all. I was just wondering. Personally I think MW rollback is better than twinkle's rollback (except when using reasons), but it's your preference. I will warn you to not use the "fake rollback" script though as in some edit conflicts it can actually put vandalism back (as seen here). Computer Fizz (talk) 00:28, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: I quite like automation, but am in agreement with you... it needs to be 'perfect' coping with all circumstances (those a real person could deal with). Brian R Hunter (talk) 00:34, 29 December 2019 (UTC)

@Brian R Hunter: Here's another concern with this revert that you made, what's the reasoning behind it? It's seemingly a good edit, converting the outdated and incorrect name going to a red link to the proper name, but you rolled it back to the old one. I see you've also made it into a masked link to Michelle Obama, but the text should likely say Obama as well, right? Computer Fizz (talk) 23:51, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: I thought that spouse name should be the maiden name, then linked to the page for her married name... I also changed her page as it had her born name as obama as well. Brian R Hunter (talk) 23:57, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

@Brian R Hunter: That's interesting. I checked the Donald Trump article and that indeed is how it is. However, it still could be said that wasn't a proper use of rollback, and may have been a more proper use for undo or something similar. Computer Fizz (talk) 00:01, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: yes use of maiden name is the convention (it is a bit pointless using the husbands name). Agreed on the use of rollback... on face value it seemed like vandalism (to change from the maiden name). It was after that I realised that the link had been lost. Less speed more haste is needed. Brian R Hunter (talk) 00:04, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Quake 1 release date

Please, before accusing someone of vandalism, maybe you could try doing a bit of research in the topic at hand? Quake 1 release date was June 22, not July 22. Multiple reference over the web, not to mention wikipedia.org. Well, even in https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_(video_game) under de MS-DOS release date, duh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.32.193.223 (talk • contribs)

@83.32.193.223: There is another anonymous editor who is trying to change release dates to the wrong date, and he may have confused you with that person. Computer Fizz (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2019 (UTC)

@Computer Fizz: @83.32.193.223: No confusion. Anyone changing dates needs to provide citations. e.g. [1]. The full product was shipped (in US) in July. But there was a shareware pre-release in June which may cause confusion. The english wikipedia shows both dates. Simple should perhaps stick to the main release date. Brian R Hunter (talk) 21:07, 31 December 2019 (UTC)

analytics

To move the off-topic conversation from ST to here: I already wrote the code that will store edits from ENwiki into a database, but I haven't yet written the UI for the manual labor to use. If you're any good at PHP, let me know and I can add you to the tool. You can contact me privately on Freenode (cfizz) or Discord (Computer Fizz#9182). Computer Fizz (talk) 03:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

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Cheers

Thanks for reverting Bear. When I go through categories like that it is confusing when one is "one of a group of", and "a large variety of". I realized sometime through that I was getting the two mixed up. Thanks for catching it. I may have made more mistakes along the way, but not intentionally. Bobo. 21:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I picked it up after reverting some nonsense from another editor. Brian R Hunter (talk) 17:18, 10 January 2021 (UTC)