User talk:Osiris/April 2012

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Disambiguation script

Hello. What script have you been using to disambiguate links ("Picked meaning...")?  Hazard-SJ  ㋡  05:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

A mixture of Dabsolver and ~jason's tools. I posted something about them at Wikipedia:Simple talk#Disambiguation tools and there's a full list at WP:DPL. Osiris (talk) 05:20, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Dab solver via this tool. Osiris (talk) 05:25, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Rename request

Hi Osiris, I've juest renamed the User:Osiris @de.wp, so you could merge the account now. Regards, — YourEyesOnly (talk) 05:35, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Emblem-cool.svg Osiris (talk) 05:43, 2 April 2012 (UTC)


I'm going to respond here. All you have to do is add {{adminstats|Osiris}} to your page and the bot will automatically add within 24 hours.—cyberpower ChatHello! 10:08, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

I was on it. :P

You jump on edits too fast. Give a guy some time...I edit conflicted. :P -DJSasso (talk) 15:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Heh. Sorry, it's the patroller in me- stalking everyone's edits... Osiris (talk) 15:12, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
It's all good I am just bugging ya. :) -DJSasso (talk) 15:18, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

osiris @ mediawiki

Hello, the username is now free on and reserved for you, in order to unify it, please visit Special:MergeAccount. In case of any troubles, please let me know Petrb (talk) 14:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Request for multiple accounts for group

Thanks for your help. I'm learning the ropes. It appeared that my original posting had been vandalized by User: on April 3rd. Thank you for moving my post to the correct location. I was requesting multiple accounts in order to avoid having an IP blocked as per the advice I found here:'_Guide#Individual_student_usernames Thanks again! Bfulmersms (talk) 01:20, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

We are planning to work on articles pertaining to electronics. The students have been assigned specific topics and will work on making edits May 7-11. I have a list of the usernames I'd like to use. What is to best way to convey this information to you? Thank you! Bfulmersms (talk) 20:58, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

rename request@jawikinews

Hello. I renamed your temp account to "Osiris". Please merge to Osiris@global. --Marine-Bluetalkcontribs 16:35, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Marine-Blue! Osiris (talk) 08:08, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

I got a day! Thanks!

Hi Osiris,

Thanks for the cheerful message. I do appreciate it. I hope I'm not getting that stressed about it, but my patience is beginning to draw to an end. In the grand scheme of things, a hundred or so pointless and poorly written football stubs is not the end of the world. At some point, it does become a problem though. I considered just asking for a block of some editing restrictions, but sometimes people think I am too quick to jump to that point. I'll give Japan Football another day or so and then ask for a short block if the behavior doesn't change. All the edit summaries to demonstrate how disruptive JF is being and not listening. He may or may not be the same as User:Nameless_User but the results are the same; thousands of pointless stubs of questionable accuracy that don't get maintained, create incorrect links, and go out of date.

But, thanks for making it my day,

Gotanda (talk) 03:12, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I haven't been following the situation closely enough, but given that he doesn't seem to be communicating, I doubt a block would do much to change his behaviour. Proposing a restriction on his editing would be more effective in my opinion. You're very welcome for the day and thank you for dedicating your time to clean up the mess. Osiris (talk) 08:18, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

In re:Your speech in my talk

See Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Infobox and see how many single-used templates are there then undo the deletion.--Kc kennylau (talk) 01:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi Kc. I can tell you right off the bat (from a recent compilation of data) that there are six infobox templates with only one transclusion, not including the ones you've just made. However, that isn't really relevant to my question. Each of those six are templates that can be used on more than one article (which is the purpose of a template and was my question to you). So again: Other than Methane, how many articles is {{Infobox methane}} likely to be used on? Osiris (talk) 02:09, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
What is right off the bat? (I'm a Chinese) Sorry, I did not check any of the Special:PrefixIndex/Template:Infobox. And I will revert my edit.--Kc kennylau (talk) 03:19, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, it means "straight away". Osiris (talk) 03:20, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Just pointing out

(G4:) Creation of content that is already deleted. It includes an identical or similar copy, with any title, of a page that was deleted, after being discussed in Requests for deletion, unless it was undeleted due to another discussion or was recreated in the user space. Before deleting again, the Administrator should be sure that the content is similar and not just a new article on the same subject. This rule cannot be used if the article was only quickly deleted with no request for deletion.

Added emphasis of the key points are mine there. Though very likely if it was the same article, A4 still applies - A4 has no restriction such as G4. You can A4 the same article all day so long as it still meets the criteria, but can only g4 after an RfD. --Creol(talk) 09:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that was a mistake then. Thanks for pointing that out. Osiris (talk) 09:50, 10 April 2012 (UTC) Osiris username Osiris is now available for your SUL account. Ciao, Ary29 (talk) 11:42, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Ary! Osiris (talk) 11:52, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Connections for Template:Convert/incompatable

Hi, Wikid77 here. Thanks for contacting me about the attempted rename of Template:Convert/incompatable for incompatible units. The intent was to display a superior error message, better than before, and reject mixing incompatible units, such as miles and kilograms (should mix with kilometres). The bad mixes are not yet detected, so the following conversions run, without error messages, and produce nonsense results of incompatible units:

  • {{convert|23|lb|km}} → results redacted - nonsense
  • {{convert|34|km|lb}} → results redacted - nonsense
  • {{convert|12|kg|mi}} → results redacted - nonsense

However, as you know, people are copying subtemplates from the English Wikipedia, without considering if the subtemplates here are already the better version, improved beyond the English Wikipedia operation. Some improvements are made here, first, due to less chance of disturbing so many thousands of articles as on English Wikipedia. Ideally, improvements made here would be transfered back to enwiki, but due to distractions, the follow-through is not always done. I am sorry that the subtemplates do not reject invalid mixes of pounds/km or miles/kilograms, but all the edit-protected subtemplates means that admins on enwiki must be involved with improving the subtemplates and that has not worked yet. I will see if there is a way to update Convert to reject the invalid mixes of units. -Wikid77 (talk) 06:00, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


Barnstar-abc.png The Helping Hand Barnstar
For Osiris for all the extra work in helping to make it easier for school groups to make contributions. As a former teacher myself, its great when you feel that someone is supporting your work. Thanks from the rest of us. Peterdownunder (talk) 11:40, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow, thank you Peter! Face-grin.svg I'm looking forward to seeing their work. Osiris (talk) 11:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
Here's the template, Template:Classproject it says three days, I think that should be at least 14 days, but no one is going to check the activity anyway. Anyone that does probably needs to do some stub expanding instead.--Peterdownunder (talk) 06:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
Great! Thanks for that. I'll try and fix it up a bit. Osiris (talk) 23:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)


Is this category intended only for craters on Earth, or also for craters on the moon and other places? --Auntof6 (talk) 00:17, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Er, that was something I asked myself when I started adding pages to it. I stopped because I wasn't sure, but I don't see why not. I think most you'll find will belong to Category:Impact craters anyway. If you think it's fine, I can finish it off and add them...? Osiris (talk) 00:23, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Just realised that the only article I've put in that category actually belongs in the subcategory as well. Should I just merge the two? Osiris (talk) 00:28, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, I guess they could be merged. There are one or two more in Category:Moon. --Auntof6 (talk) 00:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Harv Refs

Hi! Thanks for the offer, and Yes, please!!! Oregonian2012 (talk) 00:15, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! Looks good! I'll take care of the things there that need attention. Thanks again! Oregonian2012 (talk) 01:49, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Face-smile.svg Osiris (talk) 01:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


HEY!!! I WASN'T DONE YET!!! Moebelle6 (talk) 14:53, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Oops, sorry!

I think I undid a change of yours on List of Maharlika Broadcasting System stations. I thought the original author removed that category; I didn't realize you had done it. If you want to remove it again I promise I won't put it back again! --Auntof6 (talk) 09:03, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

It's okay, I was going to delete it, but it's not a big deal. I might delete it later when the author has finished. I doubt much more will be added to it. Osiris (talk) 09:06, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


At the moment we have Category:Impact craters, but what we need is:

  • Landforms
    • Craters
      • Volcanic craters
      • Calderas
      • Impact craters

Previously we just had 'craters', but I take it we are sold on the idea of more specific categories? That seems to be the outcome of the past month of category work. Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:49, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, I see we have them all except Calderas. Macdonald-ross (talk) 18:51, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Yeah I created Craters a few days ago but I ended up deleting it because there wasn't much to put in it (or so I thought). What you've done looks good though. Osiris (talk) 23:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Since we are flagging things

Can I get a flood flag. Got a couple hundred (ok.. 2600 in batches of 500.. ) minor changes to make (Check wikipedia based) to make with AWB. --Creol(talk) 00:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done. Osiris (talk) 00:08, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
2600 edits later and I'm much less likely to be flooding now. --Creol(talk) 07:43, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow I think I forgot you were still going, you were certainly gone for long enough. Osiris (talk) 07:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Check Wikipedia is keeping me busy with lots of gnome work.. now if they could just define the topics a bit better than "Article with and no" so I had some idea what was wrong with some of these.. --Creol(talk) 07:53, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Hm I haven't used it yet, I'll have to try it out. Osiris (talk) 07:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Creol, that's one of the reasons I've been trying to get the CheckWiki translation page set up and working. Over on enwiki, we improved the error descriptions and I'd like to get that for Simple as well. I'm going to give it a few more days to see if the page I set up starts working the way it should, then I'll bug them again. (See here for details.) In the meantime, you could look at either translation page to see what the error is actually saying. --Auntof6 (talk) 10:37, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


Why did you delete it? Why? Why? (talk) 10:39, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Why did you write it? -- Tegel (talk) 10:41, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Ash Ketchum Infobox

I wanted to let you know I undid your revision in Ash Ketchum, specifically the infobox, which was kind of misleading. It made Ash look like a type of Pokemon, but he's an anime/video game character, instead. -- Tumthe3 (talk) 00:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Ah, good. I see what you mean. Thanks for letting me know. Osiris (talk) 01:45, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

BHW work

Big Heritage Weekend

Thank you for helping us on the Big Heritage Weekend. I hope you like the barnstar! Macdonald-ross (talk) 06:57, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Macdonald-ross. I hope my edits weren't too hard to track down. I'm the worst of the worst when it comes to edit summaries. Osiris (talk) 07:46, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Using the template {{As of}}

I just came across this change you made. I had made similar changes, but I changed my mind about them and have been removing them when I see them. My thinking is as follows:

  • A statement like "In 2004, 1,000 people lived there" doesn't become dated, because the date is stated. One might want more recent information, but at least you know the date of the information given. Therefore, it does not need to be tagged.
  • A statement like "1,000 people live there" becomes dated, because the population of a place almost certainly changes over time. Therefore, this could be tagged.

What are your thoughts?

On a related note, today I brought {{as of?}} and {{update after}} over from enwiki. Both of these categorize articles that use them. In view of all the work you did on error categories, would you take a look and see if they categorize correctly? Thanks! --Auntof6 (talk) 11:44, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Cool! {{Update after}} looks very useful. From its documentation page, I get the feeling that {{as of?}} was intended to be a kind of maintenance template similar to {{when}}—asking for a time frame to be included. I would consider an item tagged with it as something that needs to be fixed, so I would probably categorise it to a maintenance category like Category:Vague or ambiguous time. It's weird that the enwiki version doesn't do that. Its /doc page gives "Recently" as an example, which I would normally tag with {{when}}, but maybe the intended usage is slightly different.
The general idea of the {{as of}} template, from what I know of WP:ASOF, is that you're meant to tag whatever is intended to be the most recent data available. So if the author's intentions when giving the 2004 figure was to give the most recent data available, then it would be tagged for eventual replacement. Though I don't really know how well this system is likely to work on a wiki of this size. Personally, I pretty much never use those templates—the only reason I did it in this case was because the 2004 category had been deleted as an empty "maintenance category" (which is not what it is). Osiris (talk) 12:16, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Following up on this, I've opened a thread on en:Wikipedia talk:As of to determine whether it's possible to merge the two (as of?/when?) templates. Osiris (talk) 06:10, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Becoming an Administrator

I'm wanting to become an Administrator on Simple English someday, not just create articles. At this moment I'm an amateur at reverting vandalism, but my computer is five years old and I need to really know how to not just revert vandalism but also use the Twinkle. I hear Twinkle works best with Firefox. And I wanna also be taught how to block editors who cause disruption and those who vandalize. I cannot afford a new computer at this point so I usually take the library. Angela aka September 1988 (talk) 12:00, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Osiris (talk) 12:39, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Useless effort

Hello Osiris You tried your best to delete article Waheed Murad from the simple english wikipedia out of your stubborn nature but completely failed to do so. Anyways, thank you for your concern but I do not want any guidance from you. Regards. Haify2 (talk) 10:51, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Well, that wasn't a very nice start to the day! It seems I've offended you in some way, so please accept my apologies. I'm not trying to have the article deleted, but I do want it to comply with copyrights and the general purpose of this project. As per your request, I'll refrain from giving you any more advice. Osiris (talk) 04:41, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
Please avoid being harsh and rude with other users and also abide by the statements you have already given as you yourself said you would not post comments on my talk page until and unless you are not asked to do so. But you again did it. Please do not be personal with others. Thank you very much. Haify2 (talk) 13:01, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
How and where have I been harsh, rude or personal? Osiris (talk) 15:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Fuzzy logic

Sometimes there are good reasons for going slow.

Are you familiar with the concept of "fuzzy logic" -- not on/off, yes/no, black/white? The effort to understand Japanese history sometimes requires a kind of fuzzy thinking and strategy. For example, please compare the dates cited in these reliable sources:

Despite the differences, each is accurate, authoritative, defensible — but not deciding.

According to en:Muromachi period and en:Template:History of Japan, the dates are 1337 to 1573. The single cited source here does not confirm 1337:

These were some of the factors in my decision to go slow in developing Template:History of Japan and articles about the Kemmu restoration (1333–1336), the Muromachi period (1333–1573), and the Nanboku-chō period (1336–1392). --Horeki (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Looks great, Horeki. You're doing an excellent job. Osiris (talk) 15:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)