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Hello, Djsasso, and welcome to the Simple English Wikipedia! I hope you will be happy helping here. You should begin by reading these pages: Wikipedia:Useful, Help:Contents, Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, and how to write Simple English articles. If you want some ideas of which pages to work on, read Wikipedia:Requested articles or the list of wanted pages.

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Good luck and happy editing! Maxim(talk) 18:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great to see you. Vezina Trophy needs some redlinks filled out... ;-) Maxim(talk) 18:48, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Haha, yer like everywhere. Yeah, I have been trying to come here a few times in the past (though I have never made an edit), but I have a real hard time trying to figure out just how simple I have to make my language. It's not as easy as you would think. -Djsasso (talk) 19:05, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Enjoy the Simple English Wikipedia! If you've been on the English Wikipedia, you might've noticed me helping out by combatting vandalism. Cheers, Razorflame 19:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Certainly, I did notice your name was familiar. And yes I am on English Wikipedia. I am an Admin there. Work mostly on hockey and Canadian articles. -Djsasso (talk) 19:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This is my main account. I've made nearly 21,000 edits here and I have been editing here for a good 6 months. If you need any help acclimatizing to the Simple English Wikipedia, you can always extend a message to my talk page if you would like some help. Cheers, Razorflame 19:41, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Unlike the English Wikipedia, we do not allow WikiProject templates in the Mainspace or Template space until they have been approved by the community (most of the active users are a part of it). I would like to ask that you not create any templates that have to do with WikiProjects unless you know for a fact that they are approved. Thanks, Razorflame 22:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think I have created any wikiproject templates? Which are you referring to? -Djsasso (talk) 22:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I wasn't saying that you've already created them, but you did create the Category:WikiProject templates and Category:WikiProject user templates. While I don't mind you creating either of those categories, I just wanted to let you know about one of the quirks of the Simple English Wikipedia. Cheers, Razorflame 22:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I only created one of those categories. The other I simply moved to the other category. But I got ya. -Djsasso (talk) 22:35, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Most of the WikiProjects that are available on the Simple English Wikipedia are in user's namespaces. The master list is at Wikipedia:WikiProjects. Feel free to join any one of them or create your own in your userspace! Cheers, Razorflame 22:37, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup, thats cool. I will look into them. Mostly just came here to take a break from English Wikipedia. Noticed the categories for a few things were very messy and wanted to organize them a bit. I get distracted easily. Was just going to help Maxim with some hockey stuff haha...thats always the way with Wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 22:40, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I don't want to offend you, but before you create a category on here, please make sure that you are going to add articles to them (minimum of 3) so that they are actually being used. We don't want tons of unused categories lying around, no? Razorflame 22:27, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I will be adding articles to the categories. Don't worry. :) -Djsasso (talk) 22:29, 30 May 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Do you think you could slow down some of your changes? You are kind of flooding the Recent Changes page, and making it hard for other users to view to recent changes quickly and/or appropriately. Thanks, Razorflame 21:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

You are actually asking someone to stop editing? Now that is just ridiculous. Do you guys not want articles? -Djsasso (talk) 21:19, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That is not what I was saying. I was saying if you could slow down on editing because of the fact that you are making the RC hard to patrol for vandalism et al. I was not asking you to stop editing, merely slow the pace of your editing. Editing shouldn't be a race; it should be a calculated thing. Cheers, Razorflame 22:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


When you are making biographical articles, could you please use the {{BD}} template? It has DEFAULTSORT included in it. Thanks, Razorflame 20:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't use the BD template, because it makes it harder for people new to wikipedia to edit articles. I do use DEFAULTSORT, I just forgot it on the last couple articles and will readd them. -Djsasso (talk) 20:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, we use the BD template here, so could you please use it? Thanks, Razorflame 20:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, you use it here. Just because someone edits differently than you, doesn't mean they are editing wrong. You might want to watch out for ownership issues. -Djsasso (talk) 20:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It isn't just me that uses the BD template. It is almost every other editor on here. Razorflame 20:38, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Other editors might use it, and they are welcome to. But I am pretty sure there is no policy in place forcing me to use it. That isn't how wikipedia works. And your constant WP:BITEing of me as a new commer is pretty close to scaring off a productive editor. -Djsasso (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
If you notice above, I was not forcing you to use it. I was politely asking if you wouldn't mind using it. If you won't use it, that's fine with me, just expect other users to change it. Razorflame 20:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yup they can change it if they like. Though I find it extremely ironic that a wiki version that is all about making it easier for people who aren't as strong in english make it so much harder to edit by using a template for something as simple as adding categories. What person who doesn't know english well is going to associate BD with birth and death categories. Its bad enough to have that template on en.wikipedia but makes even less sense to have it on simple.wikipedia. Not to mention the point of the BD template is to avoid having to type out categories, so to go and switch from categories that are already typed out to the BD template defeats its whole purpose as you have just given yourself unnecessary work. -Djsasso (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You realize going through all my edits and changing them to the way you like them is wikistalking right? -Djsasso (talk) 21:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually, it isn't. And it's not the way that I like them, its the way that more than half of the other editors on this site like them. Cheers, Razorflame 21:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually it is, to go searching through someones edits and change everything they do is wikistalking, heck its the text book definition of it. And secondly based on what I have discovered by looking at some talk pages, almost no one uses this template. Thirdly the proper way to use it is {{subst:BD|1978||Smith, Joe}} which ends up outputting exactly what I put there anyways. -Djsasso (talk) 21:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Firstly, you are wrong. It is not wikistalking. It's called making corrections. Secondly, you are wrong. Almost everyone here uses it. Thirdly, you are also wrong, because it doesn't say on the template page that you need to use substitution. Fourthly, you never substitute anything in an article because you aren't supposed to. Razorflame 21:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, making corrections would be fixing errors, changing a way someone did something when there is no error is wikistalking. You edit conflicted with me so I could not remove the subst comment as apparently this version of the code doesn't allow the substing. Stop acting like you own this wiki. -Djsasso (talk) 21:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't act like I own this Wikipedia. I act like a responsible editor should. I have tried helping you understand what is what on this Wikipedia, but you don't want to hear. You are arrogant and you don't like anyone else's answers but your own. From now on, I refuse to have any sort of communication with you because you are the person that is falsely accusing people of wikistalking when in fact, that user is just trying to be a friendly and helpful editor. To tell you the truth, I would be fine if you were to never support me for adminship on here or over on the English Wikipedia because all I am trying to do is help you get acclimatized to the perks and quirks of the Simple English Wikipedia. If you don't wish to allow others to help you, then fine, I will make sure that I never interact with you again. Good day. Razorflame 00:18, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
There is a difference between helping and telling. I'm obviously not the only one who has thought that you do this as I just went back and looked at your admin requests that you have made since you just brought that up and have noticed that other people have also expressed the same opinion of you doing that. I am not falsely accusing you of anything either. You did it. You went through 500 edits and changed every single one you didn't like. That is wikistalking. So don't give me the oh whoa is me act.-Djsasso (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
This went too far. Djsasso, to tell you the truth, most of here do use the {{BD}} template. But it's not the end of the world that you don't like it. So don't be surprised that most articles (1) will have it, and (2) that many will be changed to it. It just makes it easier to navigate with the cat's. And Razor, at first you were doing right by this - just stating that that is how it is mostly done here - but then you became to pushy. Your saying, "I will make sure that I never interact with you again," was neither (1) right, or (2) necessary. Work things out - or if that doesn't work out, compromise - rather than just getting mad and leaving. Sorry for busting in. Cheers --  AmericanEagle  02:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have no problem if other people use the template, however the template doesn't do anything different than I have been doing, I still add all the same cats. The template however is contrary to the "Simple" philosophy of this wiki. You are not supposed to use jargon when you don't have to. Using a template like BD is using jargon and makes it harder for new users to edit because the template is not explicitly clear what it is for. -Djsasso (talk) 15:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Listen, I'm sorry for what I posted on this talk page up there a while. I guess that I was too embroiled in the Wikipedia, and I have taken a break to clear my thoughts. I hope that you can forgive me :). I will also stop changing pages that you make from now on. Cheers, Razorflame 17:06, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Having the template cleans up and shortened the category section. I have put (in a hidden comment below, so not to clutter the page) what it looks like with and without the template. It is much simpler and easy to work around. Just don't be surprised if most users will create and change to the template. But like I said, it's no big deal if you want to use it. Cheers --  AmericanEagle  17:09, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh I understand it leaves less lines in the page, and makes it so you have to type less when creating the page, believe me I understand the benfits and actually was using it for a bit. But when I started reading about the fact that is thinking about getting rid of it because of its complexness making it even harder for new people to learn the wiki I started to agree with some of their comments. And being that is supposed to be even simpler to use than it would make sense that if the template is too complex for its probably too complex for -Djsasso (talk) 17:19, 6 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Tireless Contributor Barnstar Hires.gif The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For making so many templates and pages in the past few times that I have seen you on here, I award you this barnstar! Razorflame 21:46, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hockey Barnstar!

Hockey puck 2.jpg The Hockey Barnstar!
This is for all your hard work on Hockey related articles! --  AmericanEagle  22:56, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's actually more fun to give barnstars out than it is to get them... but I guess that getting barnstars is a lot of fun too! I hope to work with you in the future, I have seen you editing here and there. Cheers --  AmericanEagle  23:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RE: Redirects

So many times somebody will create one of these articles, without knowing that it's supposed to be a redirect. And all there work is wasted. Creating redirects for articles is so easy, see here, and all the redirects that I've created are here. It's good to know that everything you create is being added to a list. Personally, I had never heard of those nick-names. I'm from Michigan so with Detroit winning it this year, our whole state cheers for them. That was fun this year. Cheers --  AmericanEagle  18:16, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Time out

First I was reluctant, but I think cooling down is the best we can do. General attributions of guilt lead nowhere. Topical discussion (with a cool head) can.--Eptalon (talk) 22:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree. Everytime I tried to defend myself they would have to comment and have the last word and try and discredit me again. I am allowed my opinion whether they agree with it or not. In fact I see he even did it again over at your page when all I said was a simple thank you. -Djsasso (talk) 22:37, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You're on the same path I was on enWP...and look what it got me...I trying to get you to see the light before it's too late...sometimes it's best just to walk away.--   ChristianMan16  22:41, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
As I said. We all need the time out. --Eptalon (talk) 22:42, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And I agree. All I wanted to do was have my single oppose and be done with it. I even tried to make my oppose as nice as possible so it wouldn't come across as attacking. -Djsasso (talk) 22:44, 13 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey man

Are you still going to be working on hockey articles here? Smile.png Maxim (talk | editor review) 22:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Probably will once in awhile. I have been very disillusioned by the attitudes of some people here. I was warned by many people not to come here because this is where the immature people who can't get anywhere on hide, but I wanted to assume good faith first. But its quickly becoming clear why they all warned me. -Djsasso (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Per this discussion, I thought that 1999-2000 NHL season (as well as your such workings) look very good. I just wanted to thank you for you hard work on them. Cheers -- America †alk 20:05, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks, took me a second to realize who the message was from. You change your signature alot. :) Not that there is anything wrong with that. lol -Djsasso (talk) 20:32, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry, I just want one that sticks, but maybe I'm just discontented. Cheers -- America †alk 20:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No appology needed, it makes me grin. -Djsasso (talk) 20:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


My Request for Adminship

Lavigne vandal

Can you point me to a page with the problem? I'll help you search... The Rambling Man (talk) 14:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Template:Navbox would be where I think its hidden. -Djsasso (talk) 14:20, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Found it just as I told you...and then you found it haha. -Djsasso (talk) 14:22, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hello there Djsasso. I know that we haven't gotten off to a good start (see my 8th RfA, as well as some comments up this page a bit), but I believe that the bridge that spans the waters between ourselves (which is now burnt) can be rebuilt, and I was wondering if you would like to help me rebuild it (meaning, would you like to possibly become friends again). I have realized that, a few weeks ago, I was too caught up in this Wikipedia, which is why I took a few week break to help clear my thoughts. Therefore, I would like to prooffer my right hand in a sign of friendship for you to accept or decline. Even though we don't really click (see evidence listed above), I still think that we can easily tolerate each other and that we could even possibly work well together in the future, but for now, let us take it slow. Would you be interested in becoming friends on this Wikipeida again? I hope that, for now, you accept my hand of friendship that I extended earlier.

The waters in between ourselves is lonely, because the bridge is gone, but once the bridge is repaired, the waters will be full of vibrant fish again :)

Cheers, Razorflame 06:31, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't and never have had any problem with you. You are definately a valuable editor here. I never meant your RFA to get as rediculous as it was, all I was ever trying to say was that you should just let someone else nominate you in a few months and I am sure you will get it. You are definately valuable to this wiki. I know what getting too attached to wiki is like so believe me I understand. Back in 2004 or 2005 I forget, I have to leave for awhile because I got too into it and it affect things off wikipedia. I left for most of the year, but then came back and have been going strong ever since. Never thought I would become an admin either since there are inevitable conflicts, but I learned as it seems you have as well, that its not about the absense of conflicts but about how you handle them. I look forward to you being back on here as I am sure you have been missed by many. -Djsasso (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Thanks and that is good to hear :) I know that people have been worried about me and have been wondering where I went, but I am back now, and I definitely am going for a large task right now. I am currently trying to get Romania up to GA status. This is a huge task that will probably need the help of many editors as there are definitely many, many, many things to do before it will become a GA. Cheers, Razorflame 17:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Yes, I realize that you said that I owned the wiki in my last request for adminship, however, you said owned the wiki, while this one mainly centered around a single section of articles on this site. You have to understand that it is improvement from before, when I acted like I owned the entire Wikipedia. Now, I am down to a small section of articles. Definitely smaller in scope than the whole of the SE:WP, wouldn't you agree?

Yes, I realize that this confirms the ownership issues, however, it is something that I am still continuing to work on as time goes on, and I am winning the fight. I will be clear of the ownership issues within 2 months from now :). Cheers, Razorflame 19:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Good luck, you are dedicated and would make a fine admin I am sure once you get a handle on some of these issues. I look forward to re-evaluating when the time comes. -Djsasso (talk) 19:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks .....I did not notice that Unifued login :) Deoxyribonucleic Acid (talk) 08:02, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

New user

Thanks a lot! - Al Lemos (talk) 12:09, 26 August 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you

  Admin mop.PNG   Thank you very much for supporting my successful RfA. I will do my best to fulfil my duties as an administrator and use the tools wisely. If you need any help, or have any feedback on my editing, please contact me on my talk page. Thank you again, - tholly --Talk-- 16:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]  


re COI

re your comment at Gwib's talk page: I am not Gwib. but one pretty obvious COI that I could see (and I am not saying you are doing this) is that you want to be an admin so you can be more effective at forcing people into your vision of what simple.en should be. To be honest thats what some of your actions on here could be construed as. -Djsasso (talk) 16:36, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

It was not a self-nom. I am not forcing anybody into a vision. I have asked them to discuss the vision - not at all the same thing. I regret that you see my actions that way. --Matilda (talk) 16:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't necessarily think thats what you are doing, I am just saying that is how it could appear to some people which could be considered a COI. -Djsasso (talk) 16:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Umm - no it should not be seen as a COI - since the nominations are quite visible. Furthermore even if it was a self-nom, responding to comments made is hardly a COI by any normal definition - that is why I queried if Gwib knew what the term meant. He claimed he did. He probably didn't. The reason I gave the enwp link was so people could refer to the definition - there are plenty of others available. None of them would I believe correspond to what you suggest. --Matilda (talk) 16:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think you are missing the point, it would be a COI in that you would be gaining to position to harm the wiki. See where the conflict is? There is more than one type of conflict of interest. The COI in this case would be that an admin is supposed to be there to help the wiki, and if you were there to harm the wiki it would be two conflicting interests. -Djsasso (talk) 17:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Sorry to bug you - but I still do miss the point. A COI claim is a rather strange way to say - "I do not trust this editor with the tools because she might harm the wiki." I don't think it fits any reasonable interpretation of the definition A Wikipedia conflict of interest (COI) is an incompatibility between the aim of Wikipedia, which is to produce a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia, and the aims of an individual editor. unless it can be asserted that (a) I am forcing people into my vision of simple.en or even that I have a vision and (b) that vision is incompatible with a neutral, reliably sourced encyclopedia. --Matilda (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I noticed on your userpage you've never been to should you'd really enjoy it.especially around Central Florida. Be sure to watch the weather if you come during Hurricane season though (Our Hurricane season is June 1 - November 30 (Hope that didn't turn you off.)) God bless.--  CM16  18:11, 27 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Haha yeah, its on my list. But I used to live on the western side of the continent so it was too far away to go. However I now live on the east coast so I will probably get there eventually now. -Djsasso (talk) 02:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank You

Adminship support barnstar.png The Yotcmdr Barnstar
Thank you for supporting me in my RFA which passed with 15 supports and no opposes. The barnstar may not mean much to you, but your support did to me, thanks. Yotcmdr =talk to the commander= 09:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Good to see you back and editing on this site again ;). Also, I am back to editing on this site actively now, so I hope that we can work together on this site in the future. Cheers, Razorflame 22:59, 28 December 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi there. I would like to nominate you for administrator here on Simple English Wikipedia. Do you accept the nomination? Please let me know on my talk page if you would like to be nominated ;). Cheers, Razorflame 01:50, 9 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Your comments are needed.
I have written an apology for enWP here that I intend to present to the enWP community somehow and I would like some constructive criticism please. Please read the "letter" and comment on the "letter" here. Thank you.-- CM16 MLB  07:36, 10 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


The issue has been fixed. Please check your !vote at the discussion. Regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh I know. I haven't decided if I want to change my !vote yet. -Djsasso (talk) 20:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Congrats on passing. --Creol(talk) 03:05, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks. -Djsasso (talk) 03:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Congratulations! Welcome to the team. — RyanCross (talk) 05:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
All of the above! --Gwib -(talk)- 06:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Grats! Kennedy (talk) 08:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I have found your T-shirt. Don't lose it. ;)--Chenzw  Talk  09:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Admin T-shirt.svg
Haha, I think someone sent me that last year on en when I became admin. -Djsasso (talk) 13:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Congrats on the mop ;) BG7even 14:17, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Congrats, Djssaso! TurboGolf 19:58, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It looks like my work here is done. Congrats on getting flag! Cheers, Razorflame 20:35, 15 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah, somehow got roped into it on another wiki. Least this one isn't as busy as the other lol. Anyways thanks. -Djsasso (talk) 02:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh, I missed it. Congrats anyways! TheAE talk 18:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Deletion reasons

You may want to head on over to the gadgets in your preferences and click on "Clean Delete Reasons". This will prevent it from automatically including the contents of first part of the article in the summary when you delete something. This is very important with attack pages and some of the more rude vandalism where we do not need trash/personal info/etc. they put in the article kept in the delete log or repeated in New Changes. --Creol(talk) 12:58, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Yeah I realized it later when I went back and looked at recent changes that I hadn't changed that. I am just accustomed to it not being there when I do it at en. :) Thanks. -Djsasso (talk) 13:18, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thank you

Thank you for your support in my RfA which passed 24/0/0. I will do my best to better Wikipedia with the administrative tools that the community has seen fit to grant me. Special thanks to Shapiros10 for nominating me and if you ever need anything, feel free to ask! Malinaccier (talk) (review) 18:01, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Djsasso? TurboGolf 08:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

The colors hurt my eyes a bit... and it's a very smart idea to use white font color on a white background. Tharton, can you please stop making signatures for various users as it is en:WP:MYSPACEy. A user was blocked on en.wikipedia for myspacing, and this was one of those things that user was doing—making signatures for numerous users. — RyanCross (talk) 08:17, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ryan, you don't have to talk about me at all. (FastReverter) (talk) 17:18, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I don't think anyone would have known it was you until you posted here. -Djsasso (talk) 17:24, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
RyanCross was talking about me. (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's my point, I don't think anyone would have associated his comments with being about you until you came here and objected to them. In otherwords I didn't know that was you until now. -Djsasso (talk) 17:52, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
FastReverter, I was purposely keeping that anonymous... oh well. — RyanCross (talk) 18:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

That's just the thing though....

...the "newcomer" has not made ANY edits, that was an IP that created the page.-- Chris†ianMan16 t c r 03:33, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

So? It's entirely possible that the "newcomer" did not realize he was logged out when he posted that. I don't see any reason why this should be least in the near future. Either way (talk) 03:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's one weak defense, but whatever.-- Chris†ianMan16 t c r
And what's your strong reason to delete it? How, in any way, shape, or form, is this page damaging? If it's the same user, just logged out, then he's learned something. If it's an IP user who happened to post in the wrong place and he sees that response, he's learned something. If it's one of those, we delete it, they come back looking for a response and there is none, then we lose that user. Either way (talk) 03:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yeah, basically what do we gain by deleting it is all that really needs to be considered. Nothing, but we stand to lose an editor. -Djsasso (talk) 03:54, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The only "negative" here is that if it's not the user, he comes to his talk page and sees that, he'll be confused at which time he'll probably say "huh? where'd this come from?" and we can explain what's up. Either way (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Exactly. -Djsasso (talk) 03:55, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Fine.-- ChrisianMan16 t c r 04:18, 22 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hey, not complaining, but which sources are you using for your Beach Boys information? My sources are Byron Preiss's authorized bio on the band, and David Leaf's The Beach Boys and the California Myth. (There are others, but those are the main ones.) Marks and Jardine worked together for a time, but yeah, Marks was pressured into quitting (call it "ignored" if you want), and Johnston sang on Pet Sounds, uncredited. (He was still under contract to Columbia Records; a credit or photo could have gotten him and the band into legal trouble.) Zephyrad (talk) 19:20, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Almost every book on the boys mentions how he was ignored as the guys didn't want to have to be the ones to tell him, instead they eventually sent someone to tell him he wasn't in the band anymore. As for Johnston, he didn't officially join the band until the 70's as a member of the corporate entity known as the Beach Boys, but that wasn't really the point. Officially he was hired by the band to tour and then entered into the studio also. He was hired to tour only and then sang in studio on the later 60's albums like Pet Sounds. Either way my sentence includes that he was hired to replace Wilson and then eventually joined in on studio work, which isn't incorrect. -Djsasso (talk) 19:24, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
And yes Jardine and Marks did work together, but I figured that was too much info to give in a single sentence. -Djsasso (talk) 19:29, 23 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That doesn't answer my question. Which bios are you working from? That was my question. (No bias or doubt; I'm asking.) Zephyrad (talk) 04:40, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


I had trouble parsing this. Could you clarify what you mean? Kind regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:14, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I simply mean that when a person is looking to gain a position of trust, and they have shown in the past no matter where the issue happened that they have abused that trust they were given. Then there is no reason to believe they won't do so again. People don't just change because the URL is different. They may change because time has passed, or the have learned from their mistake. And in that case their actions will prove that the previous mistake/abuse was in the past and not relevant, and will ideally not affect the outcome of their Rfa. But to disallow the topic all together is unwise because its relevant to whether or not the person is trustworthy. And if you mean specifically in regards to you, your past as Mercury was a bit of an issue over there at en so I can understand why you would wish for it to not follow you around. -Djsasso (talk) 22:51, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
PS. The link isn't working for me so I have just assumed you mean my last comment at the Rfa discussion. -Djsasso (talk) 22:54, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for the support - I hope I can do a good job. --Peterdownunder (talk) 03:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfA Thankspam

  Djsasso/Archive 1, thanks for your comments in my recent RfA which closed as 12/11 or "no consensus". I hope to work on the things that were raised and prove to the community that I am worthy of the mop, this includes showing my RL stability, that I don't have Ownership issues with DYK and also showing that I know what consensus is. Special thanks go to Kennedy for nominating me! Thanks for your comments! GoblinBot3 (talk)  

GoblinBot3 (talk) 11:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks for the support - I hope I can do a good job. --Peterdownunder (talk) 03:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

RfA Thankspam

  Djsasso/Archive 1, thanks for your comments in my recent RfA which closed as 12/11 or "no consensus". I hope to work on the things that were raised and prove to the community that I am worthy of the mop, this includes showing my RL stability, that I don't have Ownership issues with DYK and also showing that I know what consensus is. Special thanks go to Kennedy for nominating me! Thanks for your comments! GoblinBot3 (talk)  

GoblinBot3 (talk) 11:00, 27 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My RfA

Thank you for participating in my recent request for adminship, which passed with a total of 21/5. I will try to the best of my abilities to maintain the trust of the community, and I will carefully consider the opposes to learn how to further improve. Cheers, Juliancolton (talk) 14:01, 28 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Thanks, your support means a lot to me. Thanks for putting our differences aside. Majorly talk 18:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not a problem, it wasn't hard to do in this case. I think I am just a little more carefull with 'crat votes because rightly or wrongly people new to the wiki and not knowing there is no difference in power etc do look at 'crats as the top of a hierchy and the face of a project so I hold people that want that position to a slightly higher degree because they can scare new editors off. CU on the other hand, handles very sensitive information at times and while I might sometimes disagree with your tone, that has nothing to do with whether or not you will abuse the tool, in that way I respect you and trust you. -Djsasso (talk) 18:57, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


All of these recent nominations are starting to make me feel left out :(. Razorflame 19:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If you can make it through this spat of nominations without nominating yourself or getting someone else to nominate you. Then I think you will have make a big breakthrough in reguards to your addiction to running for adminship lol. -Djsasso (talk) 19:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yep, I wasn't going to nominate myself or have someone else nominate me. I was just saying that it makes me feel left out. Razorflame 19:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I know I was trying to make a joke...failed miserably. -Djsasso (talk) 19:04, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I never really did have a good sense of humor. Razorflame 19:05, 29 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I also feel left out. TurboGolf 18:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I understand

I understand your concerns and will limit my activity in that area while I am not a crat. Kind regards, NonvocalScream (talk) 22:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As long as you know, its not about you specifically. You are a good editor. I just think it will stop any possible future drama that could come as a result of a non-crat closing it. And I am sure you are all for avoiding any. -Djsasso (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Absolutely. :) NonvocalScream (talk) 22:45, 1 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

My RfB

Dear Djsasso, thank you for participating in my RfB, which ended with a tally of 21/5. I appreciate your support and will do my best in this new role. Thanks. Chenzw  Talk  07:44, 5 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


It seems to me that I'm getting on your nerves, so I apologize. I won't be harassing anyone else about defining Simple English or shutting down SEWP. I'll just move on.--- On occasion I'll fix something here at simple, following my Gnomian nature, though.--- Farewell, Lwyx (talk) 21:52, 9 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

It's not that you are getting on my nerves, its that I just don't understand why someone would fight so hard to close a project when they don't actively edit any wiki, let alone the one they think should be closed. -Djsasso (talk) 02:38, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No way

Why did you delete that wikiproject I was creating? hey, why? Kalajan (talk) 15:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

A wiki project on how to be a sock puppet is not appropriate and you know it. -Djsasso (talk) 15:43, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, it's about keeping people up to date on socks at the normal wiki.  ←Kalajan→  16:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You had a guide on how to not get caught. Don't give me that crap, if you keep it up you will be blocked here too. -Djsasso (talk) 16:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh wtf.  ←Kalajan→  16:25, 10 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sorry Sasso

I'm terribly sorry that I may have caused the wrong impression. Fret not! I'm terribly sorry for wolfing. See you around.  ←Kalajan→  22:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Its not that I think you will do wrong things, its that I just want to see you around doing good things a bit first. I hope you understand. There are many other reformed people on this site so I know you can be one as well. I just believe at this point you have to earn the respect and trust first, whereas a user with a less checkered past might have a little more lieniency. -Djsasso (talk) 02:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Admin notice board post

Re: diff; Mmm, maybe just have a policy of any user blocked on enWP is blocked here too. Sad as it would mean no second chances, but could be a small way to help in addition to being less tolerant. Does seem harse though fr33kman t - c 02:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I agree, personally thats what I would like to see but it would never fly here when we have so many banned or previously banned en users here. Because for every 1 person who actually turns around there are 10 that never will. And to be honest stopping the 10 and erasing the stigma that this wiki has in my opinion more important than 1 person being able edit still. (I of course would grandfather in all current editors and make it only going forward.) -Djsasso (talk) 03:02, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Agree, perhaps a process where the banned user has to apply for permission to edit? Either to the admins or to the community; a WP:Request for User Account process? Just a thought, probably not fly [sigh] fr33kman t - c 03:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Actually that is a good idea. Maybe on the weekend I will write something up and see if people like it at all. Worth a shot. -Djsasso (talk) 03:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Glad you like it, I was going to propose it, but feel free. Probably go over better coming from you anyways. (I'm Gonna try and get some sack time now; I'm a doctor on ambulance callout, boring, then exciting, then boring. Still all the tea and fish-finger sandwiches I get get down me neck) :-) fr33kman t - c 04:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Oh no go ahead if you are going to. You are probably better at that than me. -Djsasso (talk) 13:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Random Opinion

Kalajan can go on for days on his talkpage unless it's protected, and it does become a distraction with numerous unblock requests. It's my opinion (neither a request, suggestion or command ;) ) that it should be page protected.

Incidentally, when he first signed up his account on EN he was under a proxy ban. It was a bit unusual at first but I understand a bit better now. It's possible that Kalajan is not the original sock just the most prominant. The arrival of Sinofdreams is a bit peculiar as well, so I don't know if you want to look into the proxy option or not.

Just my two cents. Hazardous Matt (talk) 14:45, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Oh I agree, I figured I would give him one unblock message reply. And if he keeps it up I will definately protect it. As far as the other proxy info. I believe you are correct. I don't think he is the puppetmaster, just the most recent noticable puppet. -Djsasso (talk) 14:46, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Really? Wow. I'd better be careful. I think I'm starting to know what I'm doing here. :) Hazardous Matt (talk) 14:47, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well I am not a checkuser so I can't see any ips or anything so I don't have any proof. But looking at his case on en. It's clear that its bigger than just four or five accounts. -Djsasso (talk) 14:49, 13 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
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You do know that I already have this userbox in my userspace, right? Hold on, I'll get the linky for you. Razorflame 20:02, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

User:Razorflame/Userpage Vandalized Here's the link. It should work the same way that the English Wikipedia's version does. Razorflame 20:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


 Done. Fixed all the mistakes on this Wikipedia. Will be hopping to the next one in a second. Cheers, Razorflame 20:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

 Done All problem changes acrost all of the Wikipedias it changes have been reverted. Cheers, Razorflame 21:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Good work, I am impressed that you went through and fixed them all without much fuss. Templates as someone else mentioned are a mine field because if the interwiki isn't placed just right you end up putting the interwiki on all the articles the template is on. Personally its an area I won't touch because of it. -Djsasso (talk) 02:10, 22 February 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


My RfA

I don't understand quick deletion of new page

I started a new page titled International Fellowship of St. Bruno and it was deleted and cited QD A4 "not notable" Well, the IFSB may not be notable to the admin, but it sure is notable as a ten year old organization with over 700 members in at least ten different countries. I included the Yahoogroup URL as well as the central website of the organization. I am new to Wiki and do not understand how to appeal this deletion. Any help would be appreciated. User -Bruno1084

(cross-posted to their talk/excuse me jumping in!) Hello Bruno, the article that you wrote is not notable to the encyclopedia. Yahoo Groups are generally not reliable sources, and the website that was linked had less than 5000 hits - not really that notable. Please take time to read up on our guidelines that I have posted on your talk page. Thanks, Goblin 16:08, 1 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Barnstar Congratulations: You have been given a Barnstar!

For all of your hard work here, I hereby award you this barnstar! Razorflame 04:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC))Reply[reply]

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For all of your hard work reverting vandalism, I hereby award you this barnstar! Razorflame 04:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Edit counts for your bot

Hi there. Since you are running for global bot, I thought that you might like a bot program that will produce an edit count for your bot in each of the Wikipedias that it runs on: en:wikt:User:Interwicket/code/botstatus. Cheeers, Razorflame 17:34, 6 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I actually was talking to him about that a couple weeks ago, it was probably me that prompted him to post it. There is another tool that is back up and running that does it as well on the toolserver. It was down for a couple weeks while they replaced the server. -Djsasso (talk) 18:07, 6 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can I get a link to that tool? Furthermore, that code that I linked you to tells you which Wikipedias it has globalbot on and which ones it is a user on, so it might be more helpful than the tool on toolserver. Actually, I asked him last night to post that code, so I don't think that it was you that prompted him to do it. For a look at the output from the code, see User:Darkicebot/Status. Cheers, Razorflame 18:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
It's the tool that you thought had really high lag. It was actually temporarily down, it came back up awhile ago. And yeah I know what it looks like I have had the code for a bit but never ended up using it. Was going to write my own but decided it wasn't really necessary code since the toolserver link works just as well now that they replaced the server. -Djsasso (talk) 18:20, 6 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hmm stupid code isn't writing for me. -Djsasso (talk) 18:31, 6 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Whoops had my home wiki set as zu. LOL. -Djsasso (talk) 18:35, 6 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

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G12 and all that

Hi Djsasso. After reading your recent contributions to my (seemingly doomed) RFB, and thank you for them, I was hoping you could contribute to the discussion I've opened up on Simple Talk. Synergy is too busy to participate in the discussion, which is a shame since his side of the deletion debate is essential for an overall understanding of the problem. Anyhow, your opinion is important and I think including it in that debate would be really instructive. Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Not sure what to say that I haven't already, I will see if the legal counsel replies or not I guess. I just since a single sentence and an infobox is a rediculous reason to speedy. Because there are only so many ways you can rewrite a sentence and an infobox is meant to be standard. I think and maybe I am wrong, that Synergy sometimes just gets an idea in his head and has to go with it right away. -Djsasso (talk) 23:26, 29 March 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]